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4/15/2024 3:19pm
that doesn't even make sense. 100s of stars have paid "hush money" for suits to go away. Since forever. There's nothing "top secret" about it, nor...

that doesn't even make sense. 100s of stars have paid "hush money" for suits to go away. Since forever. There's nothing "top secret" about it, nor any need to hide the paper trail. "Yeah, I paid the bitch $130k to shut up. so what?" is the answer. Somehow you have concluded that this is a felony worth pursuin?

avidchimp wrote:

If I am reading the tea leaves properly, it's because he used campaign funds to cover the bill.

ToolMaker wrote:

But if it was his money in the campaign fund and if that's the issue, so what?

Even if you are the majority donor to your own campaign, once you give that money to the campiagn it is now beholden to the laws surrounding camping funds and their allowable uses. Paying hush money is not one of them. Laughing

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avidchimp wrote:

If I am reading the tea leaves properly, it's because he used campaign funds to cover the bill.

ToolMaker wrote:

But if it was his money in the campaign fund and if that's the issue, so what?

avidchimp wrote:
Even if you are the majority donor to your own campaign, once you give that money to the campiagn it is now beholden to the laws...

Even if you are the majority donor to your own campaign, once you give that money to the campiagn it is now beholden to the laws surrounding camping funds and their allowable uses. Paying hush money is not one of them. Laughing

Well, the fact the fact that you called it hush money kind of tells a start to the story. But let's say the campaign did a survey and found that if Trump were to divulge he no longer eats McDonalds food he'll lose 20% of his voter base. If one of the campaign officials were to quit the campaign. Could the campaign offer him an NDA to not reveal that?

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ToolMaker wrote:

But if it was his money in the campaign fund and if that's the issue, so what?

avidchimp wrote:
Even if you are the majority donor to your own campaign, once you give that money to the campiagn it is now beholden to the laws...

Even if you are the majority donor to your own campaign, once you give that money to the campiagn it is now beholden to the laws surrounding camping funds and their allowable uses. Paying hush money is not one of them. Laughing

ToolMaker wrote:
Well, the fact the fact that you called it hush money kind of tells a start to the story. But let's say the campaign did a...

Well, the fact the fact that you called it hush money kind of tells a start to the story. But let's say the campaign did a survey and found that if Trump were to divulge he no longer eats McDonalds food he'll lose 20% of his voter base. If one of the campaign officials were to quit the campaign. Could the campaign offer him an NDA to not reveal that?

I am pretty sure as a campaign staff/employee they would have signed an NDA before employment, therefore no financial incentive needed to enforce a valid nda.

In this instance money (ultimately campaign funds) was offered as an incentive to get an individual to sign an NDA post incident and pre-election as to keep her story quiet. 

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The facts are, it's at best an accounting irregularity. Even if that were an issue, it would have been a misdemeanor where the statute ran out...

The facts are, it's at best an accounting irregularity. Even if that were an issue, it would have been a misdemeanor where the statute ran out years ago. You know like letting the clock run out on Hunter's tax evasion/fraud. But DA AB had to claim it was to "hide" a felonious NDA to allow him to file charges. However, the feds were entirely OK with it after they investigated whether is was actually a crime.

TM

Let’s focus on this one case. Nothing more. No whataboutism or this or that. Michael Cohen is going to testify that Donald Trump directed him to...

Let’s focus on this one case. Nothing more. No whataboutism or this or that.

Michael Cohen is going to testify that Donald Trump directed him to pay 130K to Stormy Daniels so she would not go public before the 2016 election. They then, allegedly, committed fraud to cover up that money trail. Much more serious than an accounting error.

All top witnesses in this case, like the other three, are almost all lifelong Republicans. Kind of pokes a hole in the Biden political persecution witch hunt theory.

Do they have enough to convict in a jury of Trump’s peers? That’s what the trial is for and we will find out. Hoping we can have a civil discussion here as it unfolds.

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Are we talking the same Michael Cohen that told his previous attorneys that Trump didn't know anything about it? The same Michael Cohen that told his...

Are we talking the same Michael Cohen that told his previous attorneys that Trump didn't know anything about it? The same Michael Cohen that told his previous attorneys that he had "no dirt" on Trump? The same Michael Cohen that is a serial liar? Maybe it's a different one that your talking about because for sure you'd never hang your hat on that proven serial liar for your case. Or are you trying to imply that they found Trump's laptop and it had all this self incriminating information in it that he could not refute? Because I don't think they ever go t into Trump's laptop. Nope, that didn't happen, just some serial liar making up stories. What exactly is the crime you speak of here other than the actual trial? Now that's a crime, they call it political persecution. You know "election interference".

TM

He for sure is a known liar and if he were the sole piece of evidence, this case would be going nowhere. He’s not though. We will have to see how it all plays out. By far the least serious of his four indictments.

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He for sure is a known liar and if he were the sole piece of evidence, this case would be going nowhere. He’s not though. We...

He for sure is a known liar and if he were the sole piece of evidence, this case would be going nowhere. He’s not though. We will have to see how it all plays out. By far the least serious of his four indictments.

We're any of his indictments serious?

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...................but remember...this is NOT politically motivated. LOL.

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But you don't understand!! Trump is on trial because he's guilty of the crimes!! They don't have trials for people who didn't do the crimes!! Just wait until you read the ruling - you'll understand!!

(sarcasm alert of course 😁)

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Sooooo...

Now that Trump's on trial,

I guess we can expect to see gas prices drop, prices at the grocery store get back to normal, the border shut down, and mass deportations begin. 

Foriegn policymaking get back in our favor. 

 

Because, if you listen to the cable news kids, and the people they con, Trump is to blame for all of the above. 

Not to mention,

The lab leak, chinese spy balloons, driving the freighter into the Francis Scott Key bridge, the clouds on the day of the eclipse, and even forcing baldwin to pull the trigger.

Oh, and we all know OJ didn't do it.

It was...

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ARM670 wrote:

Just a thought, If Stormy signed the NDA then went on to talk about it, doesn't she legally owe Trump money? That's how NDA's work.

She already owes Trump 300,000.00 in attys fees ...

Plus.... there is that signed and sworn statement that she signed,  saying nothing g happened....

Which lie you gon believe...?  

Stormy makes money Ala she is in spotlight...other than than, she is a whore well known in her movies and "dancing"

Sensationalism sells...especially with a get Trump end point 

 

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4/15/2024 7:32pm

Kinda shows how desperate and scared they are of him to be getting all lathered up about a trial where the victim says up front that they aren’t a victim.  It’s deja vu all over again.  

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I’ve started to make a conscious effort to not watch/read any news. Life is so much better. 
 

 

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avidchimp wrote:

If I am reading the tea leaves properly, it's because he used campaign funds to cover the bill.

ToolMaker wrote:

But if it was his money in the campaign fund and if that's the issue, so what?

avidchimp wrote:
Even if you are the majority donor to your own campaign, once you give that money to the campiagn it is now beholden to the laws...

Even if you are the majority donor to your own campaign, once you give that money to the campiagn it is now beholden to the laws surrounding camping funds and their allowable uses. Paying hush money is not one of them. Laughing

The thing that has me baffled about this trial is why it's a felony, but this one – that was literally attempted election interference – was only a misdemeanor and fine...

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/30/politics/clinton-dnc-steele-dossier-…

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4/15/2024 10:05pm
ToolMaker wrote:

But if it was his money in the campaign fund and if that's the issue, so what?

avidchimp wrote:
Even if you are the majority donor to your own campaign, once you give that money to the campiagn it is now beholden to the laws...

Even if you are the majority donor to your own campaign, once you give that money to the campiagn it is now beholden to the laws surrounding camping funds and their allowable uses. Paying hush money is not one of them. Laughing

Sully wrote:
The thing that has me baffled about this trial is why it's a felony, but this one – that was literally attempted election interference – was...

The thing that has me baffled about this trial is why it's a felony, but this one – that was literally attempted election interference – was only a misdemeanor and fine...

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/30/politics/clinton-dnc-steele-dossier-…

New York Penal Law 175.10, falsifying business records with the intent to commit or conceal another crime, is a class "E" felony, the lowest felony charge.

New York Penal Law 175.05, falsifying business records with the intent to defraud, is a misdemeanor.

The prosecutions case hinges on convincing a jury, there was intent to commit or conceal another crime.

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avidchimp wrote:
Even if you are the majority donor to your own campaign, once you give that money to the campiagn it is now beholden to the laws...

Even if you are the majority donor to your own campaign, once you give that money to the campiagn it is now beholden to the laws surrounding camping funds and their allowable uses. Paying hush money is not one of them. Laughing

Sully wrote:
The thing that has me baffled about this trial is why it's a felony, but this one – that was literally attempted election interference – was...

The thing that has me baffled about this trial is why it's a felony, but this one – that was literally attempted election interference – was only a misdemeanor and fine...

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/30/politics/clinton-dnc-steele-dossier-…

New York Penal Law 175.10, falsifying business records with the intent to commit or conceal another crime, is a class "E" felony, the lowest felony charge. New...

New York Penal Law 175.10, falsifying business records with the intent to commit or conceal another crime, is a class "E" felony, the lowest felony charge.

New York Penal Law 175.05, falsifying business records with the intent to defraud, is a misdemeanor.

The prosecutions case hinges on convincing a jury, there was intent to commit or conceal another crime.

Last I checked, fucking a porn star/cheating on your wife is stupid, but hardly illegal, whereas attempted election interference most certainly is.

And I know I've asked this before, but are you American?

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4/15/2024 10:37pm
Sully wrote:
The thing that has me baffled about this trial is why it's a felony, but this one – that was literally attempted election interference – was...

The thing that has me baffled about this trial is why it's a felony, but this one – that was literally attempted election interference – was only a misdemeanor and fine...

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/30/politics/clinton-dnc-steele-dossier-…

New York Penal Law 175.10, falsifying business records with the intent to commit or conceal another crime, is a class "E" felony, the lowest felony charge. New...

New York Penal Law 175.10, falsifying business records with the intent to commit or conceal another crime, is a class "E" felony, the lowest felony charge.

New York Penal Law 175.05, falsifying business records with the intent to defraud, is a misdemeanor.

The prosecutions case hinges on convincing a jury, there was intent to commit or conceal another crime.

Sully wrote:
Last I checked, fucking a porn star/cheating on your wife is stupid, but hardly illegal, whereas attempted election interference most certainly is. And I know I've...

Last I checked, fucking a porn star/cheating on your wife is stupid, but hardly illegal, whereas attempted election interference most certainly is.

And I know I've asked this before, but are you American?

I agree cheating on your wife is stupid, the prosecution's case is based on falsifying business records to pay porn stars to hide the cheating from voters.

The prosecution need to prove paying to hide the cheating from voters is a crime.

I'm not American, like the rest of the world, we are laughing at this shit show, from both sides, I bet you are proud to be an American!

 

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New York Penal Law 175.10, falsifying business records with the intent to commit or conceal another crime, is a class "E" felony, the lowest felony charge. New...

New York Penal Law 175.10, falsifying business records with the intent to commit or conceal another crime, is a class "E" felony, the lowest felony charge.

New York Penal Law 175.05, falsifying business records with the intent to defraud, is a misdemeanor.

The prosecutions case hinges on convincing a jury, there was intent to commit or conceal another crime.

Sully wrote:
Last I checked, fucking a porn star/cheating on your wife is stupid, but hardly illegal, whereas attempted election interference most certainly is. And I know I've...

Last I checked, fucking a porn star/cheating on your wife is stupid, but hardly illegal, whereas attempted election interference most certainly is.

And I know I've asked this before, but are you American?

I agree cheating on your wife is stupid, the prosecution's case is based on falsifying business records to pay porn stars to hide the cheating from...

I agree cheating on your wife is stupid, the prosecution's case is based on falsifying business records to pay porn stars to hide the cheating from voters.

The prosecution need to prove paying to hide the cheating from voters is a crime.

I'm not American, like the rest of the world, we are laughing at this shit show, from both sides, I bet you are proud to be an American!

 

Most Aussies are too stupid to even know what's going on in our own backyard.

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New York Penal Law 175.10, falsifying business records with the intent to commit or conceal another crime, is a class "E" felony, the lowest felony charge. New...

New York Penal Law 175.10, falsifying business records with the intent to commit or conceal another crime, is a class "E" felony, the lowest felony charge.

New York Penal Law 175.05, falsifying business records with the intent to defraud, is a misdemeanor.

The prosecutions case hinges on convincing a jury, there was intent to commit or conceal another crime.

Sully wrote:
Last I checked, fucking a porn star/cheating on your wife is stupid, but hardly illegal, whereas attempted election interference most certainly is. And I know I've...

Last I checked, fucking a porn star/cheating on your wife is stupid, but hardly illegal, whereas attempted election interference most certainly is.

And I know I've asked this before, but are you American?

I agree cheating on your wife is stupid, the prosecution's case is based on falsifying business records to pay porn stars to hide the cheating from...

I agree cheating on your wife is stupid, the prosecution's case is based on falsifying business records to pay porn stars to hide the cheating from voters.

The prosecution need to prove paying to hide the cheating from voters is a crime.

I'm not American, like the rest of the world, we are laughing at this shit show, from both sides, I bet you are proud to be an American!

 

If you’re not American, then worry about your own house. As for me, I am, and always have been, very proud to be American, and frankly, couldn’t give 2 shits what you think. 

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Sully wrote:
Last I checked, fucking a porn star/cheating on your wife is stupid, but hardly illegal, whereas attempted election interference most certainly is. And I know I've...

Last I checked, fucking a porn star/cheating on your wife is stupid, but hardly illegal, whereas attempted election interference most certainly is.

And I know I've asked this before, but are you American?

I agree cheating on your wife is stupid, the prosecution's case is based on falsifying business records to pay porn stars to hide the cheating from...

I agree cheating on your wife is stupid, the prosecution's case is based on falsifying business records to pay porn stars to hide the cheating from voters.

The prosecution need to prove paying to hide the cheating from voters is a crime.

I'm not American, like the rest of the world, we are laughing at this shit show, from both sides, I bet you are proud to be an American!

 

Sully wrote:
If you’re not American, then worry about your own house. As for me, I am, and always have been, very proud to be American, and frankly...

If you’re not American, then worry about your own house. As for me, I am, and always have been, very proud to be American, and frankly, couldn’t give 2 shits what you think. 

Yet you are upset when I explained why the charges are a felony, and not a misdemeanor.

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Don't flatter yourself,

Like the OP, nobody around here sees you for anything other than a trolling fool.

 

You couldn't upset him, or anyone else. 

Especially when we're too busy laughing at your ignorance. 

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I agree cheating on your wife is stupid, the prosecution's case is based on falsifying business records to pay porn stars to hide the cheating from...

I agree cheating on your wife is stupid, the prosecution's case is based on falsifying business records to pay porn stars to hide the cheating from voters.

The prosecution need to prove paying to hide the cheating from voters is a crime.

I'm not American, like the rest of the world, we are laughing at this shit show, from both sides, I bet you are proud to be an American!

 

Sully wrote:
If you’re not American, then worry about your own house. As for me, I am, and always have been, very proud to be American, and frankly...

If you’re not American, then worry about your own house. As for me, I am, and always have been, very proud to be American, and frankly, couldn’t give 2 shits what you think. 

Yet you are upset when I explained why the charges are a felony, and not a misdemeanor.

The charges aren’t a felony (otherwise Hillary would be charged with one, too), they’re an impossible hail mary by the prosecution that doesn’t stand a chance of holding up even in NYC. 

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Don't flatter yourself, Like the OP, nobody around here sees you for anything other than a trolling fool.   You couldn't upset him, or anyone else. ...

Don't flatter yourself,

Like the OP, nobody around here sees you for anything other than a trolling fool.

 

You couldn't upset him, or anyone else. 

Especially when we're too busy laughing at your ignorance. 

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4/16/2024 4:12am
Sully wrote:
If you’re not American, then worry about your own house. As for me, I am, and always have been, very proud to be American, and frankly...

If you’re not American, then worry about your own house. As for me, I am, and always have been, very proud to be American, and frankly, couldn’t give 2 shits what you think. 

Yet you are upset when I explained why the charges are a felony, and not a misdemeanor.

Sully wrote:
The charges aren’t a felony (otherwise Hillary would be charged with one, too), they’re an impossible hail mary by the prosecution that doesn’t stand a chance...

The charges aren’t a felony (otherwise Hillary would be charged with one, too), they’re an impossible hail mary by the prosecution that doesn’t stand a chance of holding up even in NYC. 

You still don't get it, the charges are a felony, whether he is proven guilty of the charges is up to the jury.

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Yet you are upset when I explained why the charges are a felony, and not a misdemeanor.

Sully wrote:
The charges aren’t a felony (otherwise Hillary would be charged with one, too), they’re an impossible hail mary by the prosecution that doesn’t stand a chance...

The charges aren’t a felony (otherwise Hillary would be charged with one, too), they’re an impossible hail mary by the prosecution that doesn’t stand a chance of holding up even in NYC. 

You still don't get it, the charges are a felony, whether he is proven guilty of the charges is up to the jury.

You’re correct, he was charged with a felony, but that doesn't mean the act was. It’s trumped up because of the who, not the what. 

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4/16/2024 4:40am

First week will be mostly, if not all, jury selection. Over half were immediately dismissed when they said they can’t be fair and impartial. The defense and the prosecution will continue asking more in depth questions about their political views the rest of the week. The defense team, like they have for months, plans to delay and extend the trial as long as they possibly can.

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Sully wrote:
Last I checked, fucking a porn star/cheating on your wife is stupid, but hardly illegal, whereas attempted election interference most certainly is. And I know I've...

Last I checked, fucking a porn star/cheating on your wife is stupid, but hardly illegal, whereas attempted election interference most certainly is.

And I know I've asked this before, but are you American?

I agree cheating on your wife is stupid, the prosecution's case is based on falsifying business records to pay porn stars to hide the cheating from...

I agree cheating on your wife is stupid, the prosecution's case is based on falsifying business records to pay porn stars to hide the cheating from voters.

The prosecution need to prove paying to hide the cheating from voters is a crime.

I'm not American, like the rest of the world, we are laughing at this shit show, from both sides, I bet you are proud to be an American!

 

Sully wrote:
If you’re not American, then worry about your own house. As for me, I am, and always have been, very proud to be American, and frankly...

If you’re not American, then worry about your own house. As for me, I am, and always have been, very proud to be American, and frankly, couldn’t give 2 shits what you think. 

I’ve noticed that you’ve said that same thing to non-Americans who voice opinions about Trump that you seem to agree with……

/sarcasm]

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4/16/2024 6:01am
Sully wrote:
The charges aren’t a felony (otherwise Hillary would be charged with one, too), they’re an impossible hail mary by the prosecution that doesn’t stand a chance...

The charges aren’t a felony (otherwise Hillary would be charged with one, too), they’re an impossible hail mary by the prosecution that doesn’t stand a chance of holding up even in NYC. 

You still don't get it, the charges are a felony, whether he is proven guilty of the charges is up to the jury.

Sully wrote:

You’re correct, he was charged with a felony, but that doesn't mean the act was. It’s trumped up because of the who, not the what. 

That's the jury's job to decide.

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4/16/2024 6:33am

There’s nothing more patriotic than refusing to examine the evidence presented in the trial and making a commitment to not be an impartial and unbiased juror.

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