Villopotos GP Loopout

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3/22/2024 11:28am
mxtech1 wrote:
Malfunction of the traction control system. Under normal circumstances, the ECU would make adjustments to the available torque being applied, which would induce rear wheel slip...

Malfunction of the traction control system. Under normal circumstances, the ECU would make adjustments to the available torque being applied, which would induce rear wheel slip and bring the front end down. The rider is expected to keep the throttle wide open, however this time something in the system had an error & the rear wheel traction was not reduced. Probably had something to do with it being a high speed section and the front wheel slowly lifting off the groun. 

 

There has been improvements in the recent years to be more predictive based on the pitch/roll inputs from the onboard sensors. 

Sorry but that don’t justify why a world class rider don’t pull in the clutch when he feel that the front end start to get to high.

But that is the big flaw with his and the likes of Kay De Wolffs riding style when the hang over the rear fender instead on leaning forward and being at the center of the bike. 
 

If you all ready hang far off the bike, you are just along for the ride when shit hits the fan. And the same with JS that never had his finger on the clutch.

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3/22/2024 12:15pm
mxtech1 wrote:
Malfunction of the traction control system. Under normal circumstances, the ECU would make adjustments to the available torque being applied, which would induce rear wheel slip...

Malfunction of the traction control system. Under normal circumstances, the ECU would make adjustments to the available torque being applied, which would induce rear wheel slip and bring the front end down. The rider is expected to keep the throttle wide open, however this time something in the system had an error & the rear wheel traction was not reduced. Probably had something to do with it being a high speed section and the front wheel slowly lifting off the groun. 

 

There has been improvements in the recent years to be more predictive based on the pitch/roll inputs from the onboard sensors. 

Tumic wrote:
Sorry but that don’t justify why a world class rider don’t pull in the clutch when he feel that the front end start to get to...

Sorry but that don’t justify why a world class rider don’t pull in the clutch when he feel that the front end start to get to high.

But that is the big flaw with his and the likes of Kay De Wolffs riding style when the hang over the rear fender instead on leaning forward and being at the center of the bike. 
 

If you all ready hang far off the bike, you are just along for the ride when shit hits the fan. And the same with JS that never had his finger on the clutch.

Man you're right, if only those scrubs you mentioned reached out to you before their totally failed careers.

You want them to lean forward, or stay centered? Asking for a friend.

Go get some sun man, the basement life is taking its toll. 

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Man you're right, if only those scrubs you mentioned reached out to you before their totally failed careers. You want them to lean forward, or stay...

Man you're right, if only those scrubs you mentioned reached out to you before their totally failed careers.

You want them to lean forward, or stay centered? Asking for a friend.

Go get some sun man, the basement life is taking its toll. 

Yeah because De Wolff is known for his consistency and JS for his ability to keep it on two wheels?. 
 

I doubt that you have any friends to ask for…

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Easy eough to happen. Arm pump probably didn't help. Villo wasn't at his best that season. The only race we saw the real Villo in MXGP...

Easy eough to happen. Arm pump probably didn't help. Villo wasn't at his best that season. The only race we saw the real Villo in MXGP was that qualifying race in Argentina. 

I always thought this was correct...probably had some arm pump and 'whiskey throttle' caught him by surprise. There was no doubt he was not in top racing shape when this happened. 

Whiskey throttle on these 4 strokes is a real thing...Especially if you have some arm pump going on.

Having said that, with the riders that got injured and dropped out of the series after this, I think RV2 had a very good chance of winning the title if he completed all the rounds. He would have only gotten better as the series went on.

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and wasn't RV2 coming off many months of not racing due to a knee injury? As Tomac is finding out, most can not come back from months off as easily as they think they can. 

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3/23/2024 6:15pm
MxAddic wrote:
Pretty sure he was getting his nuts kicked after talking Villo trash and went all in @ that moment to turn things around. Feel free to...

Pretty sure he was getting his nuts kicked after talking Villo trash and went all in @ that moment to turn things around. Feel free to correct me if I’m wrong.

kage173 wrote:
He won the second GP he ever raced in. Not exactly getting your nuts kicked in. By comparison Cairoli never won an AMA race.  And when...

He won the second GP he ever raced in. Not exactly getting your nuts kicked in. By comparison Cairoli never won an AMA race. 

And when did he talk trash? I dont remember him being anything other than respectful.

RV was racing MXGP @ 26 years old, AC was racing the Nationals @ 36.

For 'comparison', RV hasn't even reached 36 yet. RV should have been in his prime. AC... not so much.

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3/23/2024 6:21pm
DeStouwer wrote:

COCCYX!

Its an incredibly sensitive and vulnerable area of the human body. I can remember 1-2 people going paralyzed by landing from a crash in a seated position. One of those was Vann Martin who got ejected from a jump at oak hill. You're lucky to get away with just a fracture if you have an injury in that area of the body

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RV was racing MXGP @ 26 years old, AC was racing the Nationals @ 36. For 'comparison', RV hasn't even reached 36 yet. RV should have...

RV was racing MXGP @ 26 years old, AC was racing the Nationals @ 36.

For 'comparison', RV hasn't even reached 36 yet. RV should have been in his prime. AC... not so much.

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3/25/2024 1:47pm
Tumic wrote:
Sorry but that don’t justify why a world class rider don’t pull in the clutch when he feel that the front end start to get to...

Sorry but that don’t justify why a world class rider don’t pull in the clutch when he feel that the front end start to get to high.

But that is the big flaw with his and the likes of Kay De Wolffs riding style when the hang over the rear fender instead on leaning forward and being at the center of the bike. 
 

If you all ready hang far off the bike, you are just along for the ride when shit hits the fan. And the same with JS that never had his finger on the clutch.

A rider of that caliber isn't going to pull in the clutch to get the front wheel down when he's expecting a normally robust system to make an automatic adjustment for him. There's a fractional second window where if the system doesn't do what it should, the bike will loop out, & that's what happened. In order for these systems to work, the rider's have to stay off of the clutch as much as possible & let the ECU modulate the torque curve. 

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I thought the traction control was supposed to sense wheel slippage? Looked like he was hooked to me.

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