Australia rules for 250 vs 250

miedosoracing1
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I do believe 2010 will be recorded as the "Return of the 2 stroke."

Long ago, in a distant galaxy
2 strokes ruled the
universe.
then
4

Ok, trying to do the return of the jedi letters getting smaller smaller smaller. LOL
I still say both have their places. I think they will be a even matchup cc for cc. Piss fight away....





MA released an Information Bulletin on February 23, 2010 with a rule change for the Pro Lites Classes run in Australia.

The previous rule allowed two strokes with the capacity of 100-150cc to compete against four-strokes with the capacity of 200-250cc. The new rule bulletin raises the capacity of the two-stroke machines up to 250cc.

What does this mean?

In Australia you can race a 250cc machine straight up, whether two-stroke or four-stroke. A great big thumbs up to the Motorcycling Australia organization.
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Crush 3/16/2010 3:08pm
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Yeah, interesting that they haven't ammended it for anything but the Nationals and Junior Lites though... So theoretically you goto a club race and you're still 250 two stroking against 450s...

Hopefully clubs will use their common sense and follow the national example and not MA's somewhat backward thinking...

Can't wait to get the 300 out there tho!!!
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Australia knows whats up. Good to see the land of Oz isnt bought and sold by the big 4 like we are.
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ogdeno 3/16/2010 4:07pm
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FlaNard wrote:
Australia knows whats up. Good to see the land of Oz isnt bought and sold by the big 4 like we are.
That's right. The Japanese property developers got in before the big four did.
scott_nz 3/16/2010 4:13pm
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New Zealand has been running these rules since 2007, so they are just copying us anyway,

250F's dominate by about 8 or 9 out of 10 finishes being on 250f's in every NZ champs since,

however Darrell King has been winning some events on a 250 2 stroke this year, and is entered for the Aussie pro lites, so it should be interesting to see how he goes,

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Crush 3/16/2010 4:51pm
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Is that because more better riders have been on the teams and hence the 250Fs... whilst privateers have been on 2 smokers?!?!

I don't know if we'll ever see cc for cc racing world wide, but I think locally and for us it makes more sense... Racing is expensive enough!!!
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scott_nz 3/16/2010 5:27pm
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Crush wrote:
Is that because more better riders have been on the teams and hence the 250Fs... whilst privateers have been on 2 smokers?!?! I don't know if...
Is that because more better riders have been on the teams and hence the 250Fs... whilst privateers have been on 2 smokers?!?!

I don't know if we'll ever see cc for cc racing world wide, but I think locally and for us it makes more sense... Racing is expensive enough!!!
not really, the only ones that can get top ten on a 250 2t's are the King Brothers, and both on teams, in the 1st year Michael Phillips and Damian King started on 250 2t's, but changed to 4 strokes half way though and improved there results,

the 250 2ts are harder to ride, and you need to be fitter, they have some advantages esp in the mud, but overall most riders are faster on a 250F,




miedosoracing1 3/17/2010 5:06am
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not really, the only ones that can get top ten on a 250 2t's are the King Brothers, and both on teams, in the 1st year...
not really, the only ones that can get top ten on a 250 2t's are the King Brothers, and both on teams, in the 1st year Michael Phillips and Damian King started on 250 2t's, but changed to 4 strokes half way though and improved there results,

the 250 2ts are harder to ride, and you need to be fitter, they have some advantages esp in the mud, but overall most riders are faster on a 250F,




That is exactly our point, why not allow them to be raced against eachother? Over and over it is still the 250f that is winning. Due to smoother power and other factors. So as of now, it seems there is no reason not to allow the 250 2 stroke in the class.
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robot870 3/17/2010 5:34am
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Man, is that great to see. I hope they run that rule here in the states.
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scott_nz wrote:
New Zealand has been running these rules since 2007, so they are just copying us anyway, 250F's dominate by about 8 or 9 out of 10...
New Zealand has been running these rules since 2007, so they are just copying us anyway,

250F's dominate by about 8 or 9 out of 10 finishes being on 250f's in every NZ champs since,

however Darrell King has been winning some events on a 250 2 stroke this year, and is entered for the Aussie pro lites, so it should be interesting to see how he goes,
Thanks, scott. I believe I recall you posting this quite some time ago.

I always think of it during these fruitless discussions of 2 vs 4. Just grab a bike and go ride! Any bike!

Just my opinion, of course.

Jimi J
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FlaNard wrote:
Australia knows whats up. Good to see the land of Oz isnt bought and sold by the big 4 like we are.
Amen to that
miedosoracing1 3/17/2010 9:26am
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scott_nz wrote:
New Zealand has been running these rules since 2007, so they are just copying us anyway, 250F's dominate by about 8 or 9 out of 10...
New Zealand has been running these rules since 2007, so they are just copying us anyway,

250F's dominate by about 8 or 9 out of 10 finishes being on 250f's in every NZ champs since,

however Darrell King has been winning some events on a 250 2 stroke this year, and is entered for the Aussie pro lites, so it should be interesting to see how he goes,
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Thanks, scott. I believe I recall you posting this quite some time ago. I always think of it during these fruitless discussions of 2 vs 4...
Thanks, scott. I believe I recall you posting this quite some time ago.

I always think of it during these fruitless discussions of 2 vs 4. Just grab a bike and go ride! Any bike!

Just my opinion, of course.

Jimi J
Well, it may be fruitless, not sure yet. I do know there is enough pressure from other countries, that the 125 is being made from all of the big 4, to compete in those series. I do wonder if the US pressure is building enough steam, to warrant new rules and new 2 strokes being built for our turf. Only time will tell. But the cry out is definitely getting louder from all directions. I've seen more at tracks here. I was actually surprised by the number of 125's I saw. I haven't been to any local races, and assume that they are still not overflowing with 2 strokes, because locally, they don't use AMA amateur rules, and classes are still the old big bores against small. But I feel a tide changing. I'd like to see 50% of both bikes made. Just my opinion.
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I think near stock the 2 strokes offer a pretty significant performance advantage but when modified the 4 stroke 250F's produce so much hp and when you add in their traction advantages the advantage leans back towards them.

Either way it should be equal cc and then let the showrooms fight it out.
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OW38B 3/17/2010 9:51am
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Suns_PSD wrote:
I think near stock the 2 strokes offer a pretty significant performance advantage but when modified the 4 stroke 250F's produce so much hp and when...
I think near stock the 2 strokes offer a pretty significant performance advantage but when modified the 4 stroke 250F's produce so much hp and when you add in their traction advantages the advantage leans back towards them.

Either way it should be equal cc and then let the showrooms fight it out.
That is all we have ever asked for.

250F guys like to boast how good the 250F is...........they just run away like scared little girls when asked to prove it. Shocked

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