James Stewart and his contract renewal

Cook441 wrote:

I don't Hate L&M I just would like to see them and maybe other teams find value in the outdoors. I don't have the numbers I...

I don't Hate L&M I just would like to see them and maybe other teams find value in the outdoors. I don't have the numbers I do know that Washougal announced for several years in a row record crowds and someone told me last year they sold out? I have been going for 18+ years and never heard that...not sure if it is true- As for L&M they hire good talent and thats why they win championships which they then use to promote their products, however by choosing SX only they pay a full salary to said talent and receive no championship and limited exposure (were talking about James) when paying him the same and running him outdoors would change many of the previously mentioned factors.

panic revver wrote:

They receive no championship this SX season. You can't look at it now and say that since he got hurt it was a bad investment for...

They receive no championship this SX season. You can't look at it now and say that since he got hurt it was a bad investment for them, especially in this sport. I agree they will definitely need more exposure this year so maybe they run outdoors or maybe he still gets a ton of exposure. As I said I wish I were as good as a businessman as they are to be able to make it work. They had races planned for last year to, some happened some didn't.

TeamGreen wrote:

So...

Josh Hill ISN'T a Title Contender?

TeamGreen wrote:

I think that the X-Games (July) & USSX (Oct.) are in his contract; so, it would probably have a time-line to include those events (thru October)...

I think that the X-Games (July) & USSX (Oct.) are in his contract; so, it would probably have a time-line to include those events (thru October).

As to where he goes from here: I get the impression that it really IS all about the Benjamins...as well it SHOULD BE when you're hangin' it out there like JS7 does.

If he was surrounded by a few folks that had the necessary talents/skills...I think he'd be wise to create his OWN Operation...aka...a JSE, LLC run/owned Team.

All the money comes to the Team/JSE and you've eliminated ALL the middle-men. He'd need to incorporate his own "In-House" mrktg operation to make the whole thing as profitable as possible and in doing so eliminates the need for any agents, etc.

Also, he's among the very FEW entities that has the "pull" to get PAID to use/ride whatever brand he chooses: to clarify...From Honda to Suzuki, Kawasaki to Yamaha...he'd be able to get the Best Hardware available and get paid a coupl'a Mil to do so (From the Manufacturer). No-ONE-else would have that kinda cred if they started their OWN operation.

No-one. Not in this Economy.

Stop and think for a moment: Currently he get's paid by San-Man to ride for L&M (Also, paid by San-Man); but, the Sponsor cuts the check(s). Often it's seperate deals between the athelete and the sponsor and the Race Team and the Sponsor.

If...if he forms his OWN TEAM...it all comes to him.

I'm thinkin' Red Bull (Title...5-10 mil?) and Nike (A very nice Associate Sponsor 1-5 mil?) as the basis of the Team.

Then you add all the "In-Industry" sponsors from there...there's still plenty of money "there" for JS7/JSE...yup...no matter how "tight" everyone says it is...they'll all find the money for the Best if they Want it.

On top of all this would be "Licensing Deals"..."Media/Entertainment" deals...

A guy could put a $20+ Mil pkg/Season together pretty easily (Actually it's NOT that easy at all; but, it would be quite possible...for him).

I think they understand the concept..."Baby Steps"...

I'm jus' sayin'...

TeamGreen wrote:

I think that the X-Games (July) & USSX (Oct.) are in his contract; so, it would probably have a time-line to include those events (thru October)...

I think that the X-Games (July) & USSX (Oct.) are in his contract; so, it would probably have a time-line to include those events (thru October).

As to where he goes from here: I get the impression that it really IS all about the Benjamins...as well it SHOULD BE when you're hangin' it out there like JS7 does.

If he was surrounded by a few folks that had the necessary talents/skills...I think he'd be wise to create his OWN Operation...aka...a JSE, LLC run/owned Team.

All the money comes to the Team/JSE and you've eliminated ALL the middle-men. He'd need to incorporate his own "In-House" mrktg operation to make the whole thing as profitable as possible and in doing so eliminates the need for any agents, etc.

Also, he's among the very FEW entities that has the "pull" to get PAID to use/ride whatever brand he chooses: to clarify...From Honda to Suzuki, Kawasaki to Yamaha...he'd be able to get the Best Hardware available and get paid a coupl'a Mil to do so (From the Manufacturer). No-ONE-else would have that kinda cred if they started their OWN operation.

No-one. Not in this Economy.

Stop and think for a moment: Currently he get's paid by San-Man to ride for L&M (Also, paid by San-Man); but, the Sponsor cuts the check(s). Often it's seperate deals between the athelete and the sponsor and the Race Team and the Sponsor.

If...if he forms his OWN TEAM...it all comes to him.

I'm thinkin' Red Bull (Title...5-10 mil?) and Nike (A very nice Associate Sponsor 1-5 mil?) as the basis of the Team.

Then you add all the "In-Industry" sponsors from there...there's still plenty of money "there" for JS7/JSE...yup...no matter how "tight" everyone says it is...they'll all find the money for the Best if they Want it.

On top of all this would be "Licensing Deals"..."Media/Entertainment" deals...

A guy could put a $20+ Mil pkg/Season together pretty easily (Actually it's NOT that easy at all; but, it would be quite possible...for him).

I think they understand the concept..."Baby Steps"...

I'm jus' sayin'...

Cook441 wrote:

I don't Hate L&M I just would like to see them and maybe other teams find value in the outdoors. I don't have the numbers I...

I don't Hate L&M I just would like to see them and maybe other teams find value in the outdoors. I don't have the numbers I do know that Washougal announced for several years in a row record crowds and someone told me last year they sold out? I have been going for 18+ years and never heard that...not sure if it is true- As for L&M they hire good talent and thats why they win championships which they then use to promote their products, however by choosing SX only they pay a full salary to said talent and receive no championship and limited exposure (were talking about James) when paying him the same and running him outdoors would change many of the previously mentioned factors.

panic revver wrote:

They receive no championship this SX season. You can't look at it now and say that since he got hurt it was a bad investment for...

They receive no championship this SX season. You can't look at it now and say that since he got hurt it was a bad investment for them, especially in this sport. I agree they will definitely need more exposure this year so maybe they run outdoors or maybe he still gets a ton of exposure. As I said I wish I were as good as a businessman as they are to be able to make it work. They had races planned for last year to, some happened some didn't.

TeamGreen wrote:

So...

Josh Hill ISN'T a Title Contender?

TeamGreen wrote:

I think that the X-Games (July) & USSX (Oct.) are in his contract; so, it would probably have a time-line to include those events (thru October)...

I think that the X-Games (July) & USSX (Oct.) are in his contract; so, it would probably have a time-line to include those events (thru October).

As to where he goes from here: I get the impression that it really IS all about the Benjamins...as well it SHOULD BE when you're hangin' it out there like JS7 does.

If he was surrounded by a few folks that had the necessary talents/skills...I think he'd be wise to create his OWN Operation...aka...a JSE, LLC run/owned Team.

All the money comes to the Team/JSE and you've eliminated ALL the middle-men. He'd need to incorporate his own "In-House" mrktg operation to make the whole thing as profitable as possible and in doing so eliminates the need for any agents, etc.

Also, he's among the very FEW entities that has the "pull" to get PAID to use/ride whatever brand he chooses: to clarify...From Honda to Suzuki, Kawasaki to Yamaha...he'd be able to get the Best Hardware available and get paid a coupl'a Mil to do so (From the Manufacturer). No-ONE-else would have that kinda cred if they started their OWN operation.

No-one. Not in this Economy.

Stop and think for a moment: Currently he get's paid by San-Man to ride for L&M (Also, paid by San-Man); but, the Sponsor cuts the check(s). Often it's seperate deals between the athelete and the sponsor and the Race Team and the Sponsor.

If...if he forms his OWN TEAM...it all comes to him.

I'm thinkin' Red Bull (Title...5-10 mil?) and Nike (A very nice Associate Sponsor 1-5 mil?) as the basis of the Team.

Then you add all the "In-Industry" sponsors from there...there's still plenty of money "there" for JS7/JSE...yup...no matter how "tight" everyone says it is...they'll all find the money for the Best if they Want it.

On top of all this would be "Licensing Deals"..."Media/Entertainment" deals...

A guy could put a $20+ Mil pkg/Season together pretty easily (Actually it's NOT that easy at all; but, it would be quite possible...for him).

I think they understand the concept..."Baby Steps"...

I'm jus' sayin'...

Cook441 wrote:

So the big question would be does this new team find enough value in MX to run the series and have a presence in the outdoors?

Pdub wrote:

I'm no marketing expert, panic revver, but what I believe what they're buying is IMPRESSIONS, that is, eyeballs on their message. That's why the podium-makers hold...

I'm no marketing expert, panic revver, but what I believe what they're buying is IMPRESSIONS, that is, eyeballs on their message. That's why the podium-makers hold up those cans of energy drink, why the big rigs have such fancy paint jobs, why Makita has a demo truck and staff in the pits. Makita is interesting because they can actually put their product into potential buyers hands at each stop; San Manuel is promoting an entirely different "product"... and you'll note that they are NOT promoting a casino, even though it's clear that casino revenues probably fund the team.

The point is, the sponsor decides what value they need to get in order for the deal to make sense. This value does not always translate into the sale of a hard good.

TeamGreen wrote:

I think that the X-Games (July) & USSX (Oct.) are in his contract; so, it would probably have a time-line to include those events (thru October)...

I think that the X-Games (July) & USSX (Oct.) are in his contract; so, it would probably have a time-line to include those events (thru October).

As to where he goes from here: I get the impression that it really IS all about the Benjamins...as well it SHOULD BE when you're hangin' it out there like JS7 does.

If he was surrounded by a few folks that had the necessary talents/skills...I think he'd be wise to create his OWN Operation...aka...a JSE, LLC run/owned Team.

All the money comes to the Team/JSE and you've eliminated ALL the middle-men. He'd need to incorporate his own "In-House" mrktg operation to make the whole thing as profitable as possible and in doing so eliminates the need for any agents, etc.

Also, he's among the very FEW entities that has the "pull" to get PAID to use/ride whatever brand he chooses: to clarify...From Honda to Suzuki, Kawasaki to Yamaha...he'd be able to get the Best Hardware available and get paid a coupl'a Mil to do so (From the Manufacturer). No-ONE-else would have that kinda cred if they started their OWN operation.

No-one. Not in this Economy.

Stop and think for a moment: Currently he get's paid by San-Man to ride for L&M (Also, paid by San-Man); but, the Sponsor cuts the check(s). Often it's seperate deals between the athelete and the sponsor and the Race Team and the Sponsor.

If...if he forms his OWN TEAM...it all comes to him.

I'm thinkin' Red Bull (Title...5-10 mil?) and Nike (A very nice Associate Sponsor 1-5 mil?) as the basis of the Team.

Then you add all the "In-Industry" sponsors from there...there's still plenty of money "there" for JS7/JSE...yup...no matter how "tight" everyone says it is...they'll all find the money for the Best if they Want it.

On top of all this would be "Licensing Deals"..."Media/Entertainment" deals...

A guy could put a $20+ Mil pkg/Season together pretty easily (Actually it's NOT that easy at all; but, it would be quite possible...for him).

I think they understand the concept..."Baby Steps"...

I'm jus' sayin'...

Cook441 wrote:

So the big question would be does this new team find enough value in MX to run the series and have a presence in the outdoors?

TeamGreen wrote:

Sadly, the $ paid to the Team is/are based mostly on the vastly superior Demographics of Supercross...Sad; but, true. This is where the Rider/Owner decides the...

Sadly, the $ paid to the Team is/are based mostly on the vastly superior Demographics of Supercross...Sad; but, true.

This is where the Rider/Owner decides the value and desire to go "Out-Doors".

The "Industry" (Especially the Bike Manufacturer) and, maybe...jus' maybe, the TItle/Associate Sponsors might find value in the Nat's...Coombs has done a LOT of good in adding value to goin' to the Nat's (T.V. package, Series Sponsorship and Endorsements).

Are those -12- races and the expense of gettin' the Team to all of them worth the Money?

Does James really "Want" to race the Nat's?

This truly IS the Question...isn't it?


I hope he does.

Cook441 wrote:

So the big question would be does this new team find enough value in MX to run the series and have a presence in the outdoors?

TeamGreen wrote:

Sadly, the $ paid to the Team is/are based mostly on the vastly superior Demographics of Supercross...Sad; but, true. This is where the Rider/Owner decides the...

Sadly, the $ paid to the Team is/are based mostly on the vastly superior Demographics of Supercross...Sad; but, true.

This is where the Rider/Owner decides the value and desire to go "Out-Doors".

The "Industry" (Especially the Bike Manufacturer) and, maybe...jus' maybe, the TItle/Associate Sponsors might find value in the Nat's...Coombs has done a LOT of good in adding value to goin' to the Nat's (T.V. package, Series Sponsorship and Endorsements).

Are those -12- races and the expense of gettin' the Team to all of them worth the Money?

Does James really "Want" to race the Nat's?

This truly IS the Question...isn't it?


I hope he does.

Chest Rockwell wrote:

Do you think one "Grand National" series championship, incorporating both MX and SX, is enticing enough for both outside sponsors and OEM's to get on board...

Do you think one "Grand National" series championship, incorporating both MX and SX, is enticing enough for both outside sponsors and OEM's to get on board, or would you still see certain teams sit out the outdoor rounds?

In other words, is the deciding factor the championships (and subsequent bragging rights) that the OEM's want or the exposure that SX provides that the outside sponsors want?

Seems like it essentially boils down to TV.

I think it would be cool to have a TV package incorporating both venues. A one hour, bi-weekly show, where they would show the prior week's indoor event first (10 min. recap), the first moto from the current week's outdoor event taped (10 min. recap) and the second moto live.

stumpjumper wrote:

I know one thing L&M are saving alot on bonus payouts!

Old School Racer wrote:

With this statement it’s obvious that you are not involved in this sport and you really don't know a thing. Since you don't know anything this...

With this statement it’s obvious that you are not involved in this sport and you really don't know a thing. Since you don't know anything this should have been a question and not a statement.

But then again, most on here don't know crap and act as if they do.

Here's a little info for you. L&M doesn't pay James’s bonuses, Yamaha US pays the bonuses. Same goes for most of the factory supported teams (PC, FC, L&M, etc., etc., etc.)

As for the other haters on here that are always pissed about a rider just doing SX only hear this. If you yourself were let's say working for Fed-Ex, and your boss said that he would pay you the same amount of money but you were allowed to work a little bit less, you would say hell yes I will do that. You would be in a better place with your family and be able to do more of what you wanted and probably have more fun when you were working. Everyone would do it. If you say no to that then you are just lying to yourself.

I am always blown away at how people on this board and all the rest for that matter hate on Chad, James, LB, or whoever. Personally I know each of these guys very well and they are all after the same thing, winning races and championships. Yes, they go about it differently and maybe some of you don't understand what it takes to perform at that level, because quite honestly not many people ever have the opportunity to contend the way these so often do. Chad, James, and LB are not bad people, and for some of you to wish that the funding would dry up for a team is one of the most ignorant statements I have heard in some time. We need all of the teams to stay well funded so that all of you hate mongers will be able to watch the greatest sport in the world. If the funding goes away the sport goes away. Disagreeing with people is fine but to wish harm on their livelihood is downright wrong. What if James got on this board and said man I don't like the way you did something at work and wished for you to lose your job. Pretty certain you wouldn't feel so good inside about it.

Get off your soap boxes and start appreciating the sport, or start your own team and win a SX or MX Championship and then my friend you can say whatever you like. My guess is at that point you might actually have a clue and you would just do what you could do to protect your team.

All the best,

Racer92 wrote:

If James wanted to run the Nationals he would and could.

Pdub wrote:

I'm no marketing expert, panic revver, but what I believe what they're buying is IMPRESSIONS, that is, eyeballs on their message. That's why the podium-makers hold...

I'm no marketing expert, panic revver, but what I believe what they're buying is IMPRESSIONS, that is, eyeballs on their message. That's why the podium-makers hold up those cans of energy drink, why the big rigs have such fancy paint jobs, why Makita has a demo truck and staff in the pits. Makita is interesting because they can actually put their product into potential buyers hands at each stop; San Manuel is promoting an entirely different "product"... and you'll note that they are NOT promoting a casino, even though it's clear that casino revenues probably fund the team.

The point is, the sponsor decides what value they need to get in order for the deal to make sense. This value does not always translate into the sale of a hard good.

RMZ819 wrote:

All one can hope for is that the Indian money will dry up and Brooks goes away!! then Stewart can become a MX'er instead of a...

All one can hope for is that the Indian money will dry up and Brooks goes away!! then Stewart can become a MX'er instead of a novelty

Racer92 wrote:

If James wanted to run the Nationals he would and could.

panic revver wrote:

How would he have done it?

Racer92 wrote:

If James wanted to run the Nationals he would and could.

panic revver wrote:

How would he have done it?

Racer92 wrote:

He is the top contender both in and outdoors. That gives him bargaining advantages other riders just do not have. If L&M didnt want to fund...

He is the top contender both in and outdoors. That gives him bargaining advantages other riders just do not have. If L&M didnt want to fund the National gig he could find someone else to do it. Theres guys hitting the Nats in lesser accomodations and they make the series. He's rich and he could fund it too if he really wanted to. Im not saying he should do it, and if he doesnt want to thats cool; his prerogative. But if he wanted to, he could.

panic revver wrote:

How would he have done it?

Racer92 wrote:

He is the top contender both in and outdoors. That gives him bargaining advantages other riders just do not have. If L&M didnt want to fund...

He is the top contender both in and outdoors. That gives him bargaining advantages other riders just do not have. If L&M didnt want to fund the National gig he could find someone else to do it. Theres guys hitting the Nats in lesser accomodations and they make the series. He's rich and he could fund it too if he really wanted to. Im not saying he should do it, and if he doesnt want to thats cool; his prerogative. But if he wanted to, he could.

Titan1 wrote:

No kidding...he could have went down to the local yamaha dealership, purchased a yzf 450 (pfft, the dealership would have given it to him...just because he's...

No kidding...he could have went down to the local yamaha dealership, purchased a yzf 450 (pfft, the dealership would have given it to him...just because he's james), slapped his sponsors stickers on it...tossed it in the back of a pick-up truck...told his mechanic to drive it to the races....then hopped on a plane and met thim there.

IF, he really wanted to race them.

(I don't care if he races them or not, I'd just think it would be nice if he'd just come out and say he doesn't want to....worked for MC...and K-Dub)

Titan1 wrote:

No kidding...he could have went down to the local yamaha dealership, purchased a yzf 450 (pfft, the dealership would have given it to him...just because he's...

No kidding...he could have went down to the local yamaha dealership, purchased a yzf 450 (pfft, the dealership would have given it to him...just because he's james), slapped his sponsors stickers on it...tossed it in the back of a pick-up truck...told his mechanic to drive it to the races....then hopped on a plane and met thim there.

IF, he really wanted to race them.

(I don't care if he races them or not, I'd just think it would be nice if he'd just come out and say he doesn't want to....worked for MC...and K-Dub)

Racer92 wrote:

He is the top contender both in and outdoors. That gives him bargaining advantages other riders just do not have. If L&M didnt want to fund...

He is the top contender both in and outdoors. That gives him bargaining advantages other riders just do not have. If L&M didnt want to fund the National gig he could find someone else to do it. Theres guys hitting the Nats in lesser accomodations and they make the series. He's rich and he could fund it too if he really wanted to. Im not saying he should do it, and if he doesnt want to thats cool; his prerogative. But if he wanted to, he could.

Titan1 wrote:

No kidding...he could have went down to the local yamaha dealership, purchased a yzf 450 (pfft, the dealership would have given it to him...just because he's...

No kidding...he could have went down to the local yamaha dealership, purchased a yzf 450 (pfft, the dealership would have given it to him...just because he's james), slapped his sponsors stickers on it...tossed it in the back of a pick-up truck...told his mechanic to drive it to the races....then hopped on a plane and met thim there.

IF, he really wanted to race them.

(I don't care if he races them or not, I'd just think it would be nice if he'd just come out and say he doesn't want to....worked for MC...and K-Dub)

Pdub wrote:

But what you describe is a professional deciding to compete as a "hobbyist" rather than get paid for his profession. Why do it for free if...

But what you describe is a professional deciding to compete as a "hobbyist" rather than get paid for his profession.

Why do it for free if someone is willing to pay you to do it?

How long we gonna beat on this dead horse anyway?

gsxrcr28 wrote:

I'm sure James knows if he races the Outdoors (which he may this year or next etc...) that his chances of being seriously injured double. If...

I'm sure James knows if he races the Outdoors (which he may this year or next etc...) that his chances of being seriously injured double. If he can make 10 million a year or whatever he makes racing half of the year I don't blame him at all. I think nearly all of us would do the same thing.

gsxrcr28 wrote:

I'm sure James knows if he races the Outdoors (which he may this year or next etc...) that his chances of being seriously injured double. If...

I'm sure James knows if he races the Outdoors (which he may this year or next etc...) that his chances of being seriously injured double. If he can make 10 million a year or whatever he makes racing half of the year I don't blame him at all. I think nearly all of us would do the same thing.

sharkey wrote:

thats true but Sx would have never existed without MX. most of us will never get to ride a SX track. this is the only bad...

thats true but Sx would have never existed without MX. most of us will never get to ride a SX track. this is the only bad thing MC brought to the sport. I mean james isnt that old and this is just my own personal opinion but for 20 yeaqrs no one else did this (sx) stuff either til recent years. . i would like to know how much $$$ the public contributes to this sport helps out with this stuff. thousands of people are buying bikes and gear and so on, does that influence or dictate anything in mx or sx

calimxer91 wrote:

Would like to see him on Honda before he retires,with the red bull connection ,who knows?

R-acer wrote:

HELL NO!! I'd like to see him back on a Kawasaki myself, he was magical on that green bike, but those Suzuki's look like they handle...

HELL NO!!

I'd like to see him back on a Kawasaki myself, he was magical on that green bike, but those Suzuki's look like they handle amazing, so that would be my other choice.