Whats the difference between GNCC and desert suspension re-valving?

LungButter wrote:

MX Suspension would be horrible on the slower speed and rocky sections at a Hare & Hound. This is just my opinion I suppose but I've...

MX Suspension would be horrible on the slower speed and rocky sections at a Hare & Hound.

This is just my opinion I suppose but I've raced at every Hare & Hound venue on the circuit....they are far from just flat desert and pounding whoops the whole time.

jaysimpson wrote:

MX suspension isn't bad at all in low speed rocky off road terrain.    I can sort of hear the argument that MX suspension wears some...

MX suspension isn't bad at all in low speed rocky off road terrain. 
 

I can sort of hear the argument that MX suspension wears some guys out after 2 hours or so. But in my head when I think of someone using soft trail rider suspension to hit desert rollers at speed, all I can think of is a knees-way-too-far-forward riding style basically just wallowing into the next roller and inevitably panic revving and swapping out until chopping the throttle and saving it

 

moral of the story: get real suspension for your bike if you live in the desert so you can actually wheel tap stuff and carry decent speed. Don't believe the panty gang with G strings hanging out there riding gear that soft af wallowing out suspension is what you need for a desert race

Titan1 wrote:

Desert racing (hare and hound) has whoops and rollers, braking and acceleration bumps, loose rocks and embedded rocks, small chop and massive g-outs, sand and hard...

Desert racing (hare and hound) has whoops and rollers, braking and acceleration bumps, loose rocks and embedded rocks, small chop and massive g-outs, sand and hard pack, 100 mph flats and slow techy enduro sections, up hills and down hills, all in the same race…

It’s tricky to get a solid set up that works everywhere in a hare and hound desert race…hare and hound suspension set up is a game of give and take.

But if you race desert enduros…you get less of the fast flat stuff, g-outs and high speed whoops and rollers…so it would be an entirely different suspension set up…but I think it’s easier to get a set up that works almost everywhere in enduro.

jaysimpson wrote:

Yeah i was talking about hare and hound style racing. I would never think to race one without straight MX suspension, even though most or at...

Yeah i was talking about hare and hound style racing. I would never think to race one without straight MX suspension, even though most or at least half out there probably use a gncc style setup for hare and hound. I honestly don't know what expert running at these hare and hound but my guess is straight MX or stiffer off road style at the very least

Titan1 wrote:

I’ve been racing hare and hounds (and hare scrambles and GP’s and Enduros in the desert) for the past 13-14 years…currently racing 40+ Expert…And I acknowledge...

I’ve been racing hare and hounds (and hare scrambles and GP’s and Enduros in the desert) for the past 13-14 years…currently racing 40+ Expert…And I acknowledge that It’s a bit personal preference…but I run what most would consider an off-road set up on my YZ450FX…I’ve raced MX suspension in the past and it’s just way to harsh and beats me to death after 3 hours…(plus because I ride/race other things besides hare and hounds, the softer suspension benefits there).
 

The desert might look smooth in GoPro and YouTube videos when you see guys dodging sage brush and pinned across dry lake beds…but trust me when I say it’s incredibly choppy and bumpy (outside of the whoops, rollers, and g-outs)…softer-than MX valving- suspension is needed…

chuckie108 wrote:

Try Noleen/J6, they have experience with Ohlins from the Hep team. Or the other option would be go back to the OE or a KYB fork...

Try Noleen/J6, they have experience with Ohlins from the Hep team. Or the other option would be go back to the OE or a KYB fork. My son bought a YZ450 that had Ohlins components, which he was super excited about. Once we got into them though, they were so different internally, any prior settings we had(I do all of our own suspension) were of no use because there is basically no crossover. So instead of starting from scratch and developing settings for an unfamiliar component, we just bought a set of KYBs and lived happily ever after.

casper wrote:

I heard back from AHM and they don't work on Ohlins but recommended Noleen.  I've heard of Noleen before but haven't found much about their suspension...

I heard back from AHM and they don't work on Ohlins but recommended Noleen.  I've heard of Noleen before but haven't found much about their suspension work.  Do you have any experience with them?  Just doing a search here and other online forums, I haven't found much as far as reviews or their suspension work that's recent or not about vintage bike setups.