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Nailed it. Threatened to sue the company if, I wasn’t fired for, creating a hostile work environment. Btw, I’m a foreman for a commercial plumbing company on new construction sites. This employee was problematic to begin with. Always late. Constantly on his phone. Just a lot of shit that shouldn’t have been happening. When I complained to the owner about it, they wouldn’t get rid of him due to a lack of man power. Total BS.
Every task I’d hear,I need help. Why can’t I?
What about?
After a week, I just said, quit being a damn pussy and, do your job. You been doing this what? Six years?
An hour later I get the call. Come to the shop. We gotta talk.
A lot has changed in the 25 years since I started.
Fuckin pussies!!
My ex-wife works for the local cable company. When we were married, she would routinely work 80-90 hours of overtime a month because the company's management was inept (they refused to split her team into 2 shifts). Every few months, they'd call her team together and bitch about how much overtime they were working, so they'd go back to their normal 9-5 work days for a week or two. Then they'd get behind again, so the overtime would start back up. Lather, rinse, repeat...
All because of the lack of manpower while, keeping the hardest workers as scapegoats.
Surprisingly, they had enough people to do the job. The problem was, part of what they had to do couldn't be completed until after their sales team came back to the shop at 4pm. So instead of splitting her team into shifts from 9-5 and noon-8, management just made everyone work overtime, then bitched about having to pay it.
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When I was in construction, if you didn't get called a pussy at least twice a week, you must have been on vacation.
Hell tooling shops are as bad or worse.
Yes, the workforce has become pussified.
53 years old been working 60 hrs a week for the last 6 years and 50-55 for last 30. Raised 6 kids never missed a sporting event spend summer weekends on river, travel on weekends in winter, just bought a 2nd home remodeling ourselves. Never really felt like I was overworked. I'm a shop manager as well as a certified welder. I very rarely make OT mandatory most of the guys here work 9's during the week and till noon on Saturday. When we have a big project guys step up to get it done. It's a give take.
Amen brother, me too. OT has sure added to my income.
I was always told "Work hard, play hard". I have nothing against people who only work 40hrs a week. It just isn't me to not put in the extra hours.
Even if you had young kids at home?
Not many people I know work a 40-hour week. Everyone is somewhere from 40-50 hours.
I've been salaried employee for almost 10 years. Good paying salary jobs are rarely ever a 40 hour a week job.
I am a farmer, what are these 50 hr work weeks being talked about? Sound amazing 😍
Thats a proper job, you cant keep working at that rate and not fuck up eventually.
If you are a factory based guy, those hours are much less of a hit, you just gotta be there to keep stuff going.
We just got our hours down to 37 again, and another 6 days holiday, in leui of a rise. Works for me.
I did. You make the most of your time together. My wife and I really worked at it. We didn't have nights out without the kids, or boys nights out, if we weren't working it was family time, nothing else. And it was a great lifestyle. Went without dirtbikes until the kids were old enough to ride too. The examples we set for our kids has led to them being ambitious driven adults or at least contributed to it. A kid always does what he sees parents do, rather than what they say anyway often times. Not saying it is for everybody, it is not for sure.
Retired Elevator Constructor, we don’t normally have mandatory OT. Occasionally on big jobs it’s required, 6/7 days 12/14 or more hours. Jobs can last from 1 or 2 years, it’s looked down upon if you don’t work it. Both sons are in the trade,oldest loves OT,youngest not so much. I’ll tell him it’s not forever, take the money,pension hours and annuity and run. I worked construction side for 17 years. Hard ass work, times I poored myself out of my truck when I got home. Also we ride our helpers pretty hard. Ride them harder if we like them. You better have some thick skin in this trade! So you’re a Sparky, might need a new career.
Speaking of needing thick skin in the trades. Sorry, I couldn’t resist.
I have daughters that are 36, 29, 22,22,20 and a son that is 22, yes triplets. When the triplets were little I worked 3rd so I could spend maximum time with all. Been at current job for 17 years. It was tough but we did it. Also up until 3 years ago I raised cattle and hogs as well and have heated my house for 25 years on all wood. Yet if you ask my kids if I missed out on anything when they were at home they would tell you no. They always wonder how I did it all. I just did. Was it tough at times hell yes but I loved every minute of it.
You don't like overtime and want to start a new business? Business owners work more hours than anyone. Only after a business is established and a good crew is in place do the hours taper off. And then you have all sorts of things that can affect you business. Unless you want to work a lot more hours, stay employed.
TM
I wasn't planning on scaling up much. Was planning to buy a work truck and just do residential and commercial service calls (electrician)
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Hahahahaha omg that's awesome. Gonna send this to my dumbass apprentice
OK, we'll revisit this after your first year in business. Typical small business owner will,
Work all day and take care of paperwork, writing estimates, ordering, organizing the schedule, all evening.
And then works weekends to get caught up.
And you better hope you don't have time during the day to do that because that makes no money.
TM
Toolmaker is right. That is why so many small businesses fail, that is why everybody isn't a business owner. If you hate being an electrician more than 40 hours for somebody else, don't start a business doing that. It is easier just needing a lunchbox for your job.
The 'reasonable overtime' clause makes it a bit vague
Reasonable is in the eyes of the employee, not the employer, you can refuse...
We have more laws to protect workers, than the US.
Ya I guess you're right
Good thing the need for electrical service calls only occur 8:00 am to 5:00 pm Monday thru Friday.
People don't realize the stupid shit that can eat into your billable hours as a business owner. If you get a business call and the customer wants to chat a half hour, are you going to bill them? If you take a day to get your insurance in order, maintain equipment, buy supplies, etc., who do you bill for that?
What about getting stuck in traffic between jobs? The 2 hours it takes to wash your service truck every week so your company looks professional? The $$s it cost to maintain inventory on your truck so you don't have to go to the supply house for each visit. The time your customer wants the bill/estimate explained.
Work at a bank...The CEO here leaves when I do at 4:30pm every day. Everybody here works 8-4:30 and it's pretty much mandatory you wrap things up when the fed closes (at 5pm). I don't anyone that works overtime here and we all get payed very well (but most of us have degrees...).
Maybe starting a business will be the best thing for you...it will give you an understanding of what its like to run a company, and a peak behind the curtain at what your current management is dealing with, and after walking a mile in their shoes, who knows? It might even change your perspective about the entire thing.
My bank is open till 8pm, as well as Saturdays and Sundays. (TD Canada Trust)
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