Does death exist?

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Edited Date/Time 1/23/2012 1:49pm
Does Death Exist? New Theory Says 'No'

By Robert Lanza, MD

Many of us fear death. We believe in death because we have been told we will die. We associate ourselves with the body, and we know that bodies die. But a new scientific theory suggests that death is not the terminal event we think.

One well-known aspect of quantum physics is that certain observations cannot be predicted absolutely. Instead, there is a range of possible observations each with a different probability. One mainstream explanation, the "many-worlds" interpretation, states that each of these possible observations corresponds to a different universe (the 'multiverse'). A new scientific theory - called biocentrism - refines these ideas. There are an infinite number of universes, and everything that could possibly happen occurs in some universe. Death does not exist in any real sense in these scenarios. All possible universes exist simultaneously, regardless of what happens in any of them. Although individual bodies are destined to self-destruct, the alive feeling - the 'Who am I?'- is just a 20-watt fountain of energy operating in the brain. But this energy doesn't go away at death. One of the surest axioms of science is that energy never dies; it can neither be created nor destroyed. But does this energy transcend from one world to the other?

Consider an experiment that was recently published in the journal Science showing that scientists could retroactively change something that had happened in the past. Particles had to decide how to behave when they hit a beam splitter. Later on, the experimenter could turn a second switch on or off. It turns out that what the observer decided at that point, determined what the particle did in the past. Regardless of the choice you, the observer, make, it is you who will experience the outcomes that will result. The linkages between these various histories and universes transcend our ordinary classical ideas of space and time. Think of the 20-watts of energy as simply holo-projecting either this or that result onto a screen. Whether you turn the second beam splitter on or off, it's still the same battery or agent responsible for the projection.

According to Biocentrism, space and time are not the hard objects we think. Wave your hand through the air - if you take everything away, what's left? Nothing. The same thing applies for time. You can't see anything through the bone that surrounds your brain. Everything you see and experience right now is a whirl of information occurring in your mind. Space and time are simply the tools for putting everything together.

Death does not exist in a timeless, spaceless world. In the end, even Einstein admitted, "Now Besso" (an old friend) "has departed from this strange world a little ahead of me. That means nothing. People like us...know that the distinction between past, present, and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion." Immortality doesn't mean a perpetual existence in time without end, but rather resides outside of time altogether.

This was clear with the death of my sister Christine. After viewing her body at the hospital, I went out to speak with family members. Christine's husband - Ed - started to sob uncontrollably. For a few moments I felt like I was transcending the provincialism of time. I thought about the 20-watts of energy, and about experiments that show a single particle can pass through two holes at the same time. I could not dismiss the conclusion: Christine was both alive and dead, outside of time.

Christine had had a hard life. She had finally found a man that she loved very much. My younger sister couldn't make it to her wedding because she had a card game that had been scheduled for several weeks. My mother also couldn't make the wedding due to an important engagement she had at the Elks Club. The wedding was one of the most important days in Christine's life. Since no one else from our side of the family showed, Christine asked me to walk her down the aisle to give her away.

Soon after the wedding, Christine and Ed were driving to the dream house they had just bought when their car hit a patch of black ice. She was thrown from the car and landed in a banking of snow.

"Ed," she said "I can't feel my leg."

She never knew that her liver had been ripped in half and blood was rushing into her peritoneum.

After the death of his son, Emerson wrote "Our life is not so much threatened as our perception. I grieve that grief can teach me nothing, nor carry me one step into real nature."

Whether it's flipping the switch for the Science experiment, or turning the driving wheel ever so slightly this way or that way on black-ice, it's the 20-watts of energy that will experience the result. In some cases the car will swerve off the road, but in other cases the car will continue on its way to my sister's dream house.

Christine had recently lost 100 pounds, and Ed had bought her a surprise pair of diamond earrings. It's going to be hard to wait, but I know Christine is going to look fabulous in them the next time I see her.

Robert Lanza, MD is considered one of the leading scientists in the world. He is the author of "Biocentrism," a book that lays out his theory of everything.
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That 20 watts thing..... it's called a soul.
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Energy never dies, it just goes into different forms.
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Who pays these people to come up with this stuff?

When you die, you die. Your brains turn to mush. Your thought process ceases to exist.

And there is no such thing as a soul. That is kindergarden bullshit.




I've watched enough folks die to know that we have a limited time in our existence. Enjoy yourself, make the most of it, laugh alot, treat people well, and be happy for as long as possible.

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Well if energy cannot be created or destroyed (the law of conservation of energy), and your body contains life-energy (electrical or otherwise)....where does this energy go when your body ceases to function?

(I'll be back in ten pages).
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kdx man wrote:
Who pays these people to come up with this stuff? When you die, you die. Your brains turn to mush. Your thought process ceases to exist...
Who pays these people to come up with this stuff?

When you die, you die. Your brains turn to mush. Your thought process ceases to exist.

And there is no such thing as a soul. That is kindergarden bullshit.




I've watched enough folks die to know that we have a limited time in our existence. Enjoy yourself, make the most of it, laugh alot, treat people well, and be happy for as long as possible.
Jeremy, think about this for a second:

Everything you are, all your personality, your knowledge, your wit, artistic abilities, memories, all of it, is at its simplest electrical charges firing between synapses. That is real energy. Everything that makes 'you' animate is this electricity. Your body is merely a machine that keeps this electrical system going.

Once your body ceases to function because its worn out or damaged, that electricity does not go away or 'die'. It goes somewhere else, it changes form to something else. This is a law of physics and just how it is. Who knows how/what this energy does onces it leaves the brain, but it does not 'die'.
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"Bring out your dead !"


" I'm not dead yet !"



"You are now" - Monty Python or Mitch Payton, I forget.
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Rupert X wrote:



"Bring out your dead !"


" I'm not dead yet !"



"You are now" - Monty Python or Mitch Payton, I forget.
I remember that quote from "Monty Python's Flying W Circus."

or was it Mitch Payton's "Life of Brian (Lunnis)"
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kdx man wrote:
Who pays these people to come up with this stuff? When you die, you die. Your brains turn to mush. Your thought process ceases to exist...
Who pays these people to come up with this stuff?

When you die, you die. Your brains turn to mush. Your thought process ceases to exist.

And there is no such thing as a soul. That is kindergarden bullshit.




I've watched enough folks die to know that we have a limited time in our existence. Enjoy yourself, make the most of it, laugh alot, treat people well, and be happy for as long as possible.
Racer92 wrote:
Jeremy, think about this for a second: Everything you are, all your personality, your knowledge, your wit, artistic abilities, memories, all of it, is at its...
Jeremy, think about this for a second:

Everything you are, all your personality, your knowledge, your wit, artistic abilities, memories, all of it, is at its simplest electrical charges firing between synapses. That is real energy. Everything that makes 'you' animate is this electricity. Your body is merely a machine that keeps this electrical system going.

Once your body ceases to function because its worn out or damaged, that electricity does not go away or 'die'. It goes somewhere else, it changes form to something else. This is a law of physics and just how it is. Who knows how/what this energy does onces it leaves the brain, but it does not 'die'.
INHO, the human body is not a source of energy, it is a consumer of energy. Just like a car. A car can put out all kinds of energy. But when the gasoline runs out, it all stops. Without food, the body functions will eventually stop.
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On the physics level, there is clearly energy in the human body while it lives - in fact, the definition of "death" is the absence of that energy. I suppose one could argue that the energy is a result of chemical reactions that cause electrons to move, but clearly that's a phenomenon that doesn't routinely happen in inanimate objects unless some outside force causes it. On a physics level, the idea of "life" has meaning and can be observed and measured.

But you can't talk about life and death without getting outside physics and into faith. The universe is not a physical definition, and if this energy leaves the body and goes into the universe, it stops being limited by time and space in the same way that energy is universal and spatially unlimited (except maybe limited in mobility by the speed of light). Somewhere along the line, you have to speculate about what happens to it, where it goes, and, ultimately, if some ultimate force compels it in some way.

As a Christian, I believe that Jesus was the image of God in a man. If a person isn't a Christian, he might at least believe that Jesus showed deep insight into the mysteries of the human condition. Jesus said a lot of things about life and death, but the one that means the most to me is what he said to the thief on the cross: "I say to you, this very day, you will be together with me in paradise." This is a revelation - he's saying what the nature of life after biological life is. "You will be together with me": In other words, Jesus is saying that he'll still be him, and the other man will still be him - that they will retain the same life energy and same soul that they have now, but they will be "together" in some unique way. "In paradise": He's saying that the place they will experience this togetherness is a place that's ideal and perfect for their essence. What would that be like? The traditional ideas of "heaven" - streets of gold, etc - are clearly allegorical, because what does a soul of characteristic energy need with a street? I take that to mean that this place of souls that have left their bodies is some kind of cocoon of soul-enrichment. And I think that because the place where we've lived all our lives, the Earth, is a place of biological enrichment. The Earth is heaven for biological life - we're surrounded in a cocoon of biological enrichment. Everything in our environment feeds and protects our bodies - biological life soaks into us all our lives. It seems logical - although it's still a tenet of faith - that if Jesus talks about heaven as "paradise", then it's like a paradise for a soul as the Earth is a paradise for biological life.

I think a person's soul lives inside the body but somehow desires to get out because, although the biological body is nurtured on Earth, the soul is absent from the life force from which it came. At some point, the body becomes too weak to hold it inside any longer, and then the soul goes back to the life force from which it came. It's still the same soul, but it has a union with the other souls that have left their bodies behind, in a place that's enriching and nurturing for them.

But, like the Zen master said, "We'll see."
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Rupert X wrote:



"Bring out your dead !"


" I'm not dead yet !"



"You are now" - Monty Python or Mitch Payton, I forget.
I remember that quote from "Monty Python's Flying W Circus."

or was it Mitch Payton's "Life of Brian (Lunnis)"
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12/9/2009 3:29pm Edited Date/Time 12/9/2009 3:30pm
GOD SAID IT AND THAT IS FINAL...


I often wonder if my leg is waiting for me up in heaven...or hell. just waiting for the rest of me to catch up....lmao.

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BobbyM wrote:
GOD SAID IT AND THAT IS FINAL... I often wonder if my leg is waiting for me up in heaven...or hell. just waiting for the rest...
GOD SAID IT AND THAT IS FINAL...


I often wonder if my leg is waiting for me up in heaven...or hell. just waiting for the rest of me to catch up....lmao.

fuggin kooks
Would you need a leg in heaven?
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borg wrote:
INHO, the human body is not a source of energy, it is a consumer of energy. Just like a car. A car can put out all...
INHO, the human body is not a source of energy, it is a consumer of energy. Just like a car. A car can put out all kinds of energy. But when the gasoline runs out, it all stops. Without food, the body functions will eventually stop.
I never said humans were a source of anything. I was only pointing out that our awareness is possible because of electrical energy, and when our physical body dies, this energy does not go cease to exist, it merely goes somewhere else.

Its just like the scene in the movie Phenomenon where George Malley says:

"Everything is on its way to somewhere. Everything."

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borg wrote:
INHO, the human body is not a source of energy, it is a consumer of energy. Just like a car. A car can put out all...
INHO, the human body is not a source of energy, it is a consumer of energy. Just like a car. A car can put out all kinds of energy. But when the gasoline runs out, it all stops. Without food, the body functions will eventually stop.
Racer92 wrote:
I never said humans were a source of anything. I was only pointing out that our awareness is possible because of electrical energy, and when our...
I never said humans were a source of anything. I was only pointing out that our awareness is possible because of electrical energy, and when our physical body dies, this energy does not go cease to exist, it merely goes somewhere else.

Its just like the scene in the movie Phenomenon where George Malley says:

"Everything is on its way to somewhere. Everything."

I get what you're saying about the phenomenon of self awareness. If it comes to us from another source then you could be right. If it is something that develops as our brain matures then it could also stop when the brain quits functioning. All of the energy we impart, for sure goes on forever but I'm not so sure about the phenomenon of self awareness. Take, for example, radio waves. If they lived on forever as radio waves, then we should still be able to pick them up on some sort of radio but as far as I know we cant. To be honest, I don't know what happens to radio waves. If our thoughts are similar to radio waves, then maybe they change to another form of energy. The energy that is imparted by a car is almost all transformed into heat. Maybe that's what happens to radio waves and thoughts. Not saying your wrong, just not convinced that you're right.
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Im not convinced Im right either nor trying to convince anyone about anything. Im only suggesting that it is certainly very possible as food for thought.
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You guys are giving me a headache with all this thinking. I'm gonna ponder this over music and beer.
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kdx man wrote:
You guys are giving me a headache with all this thinking. I'm gonna ponder this over music and beer.
Widmer Hef and some Procol Harem? Or maybe Bud Light and Red Hot Chili Peppers? Either works for me.
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Why is it so hard to grasp that there might be something else? Im not talking cherubs and St. Peter. To me its only makes sense there could be something else going on, and it doesnt hafta be complicated or confusing.
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I'm pretty sure death exists. I've seen it.
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Robert Lanza, MD, should shot himself in the head to see if he's right!Whistling
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I read part of a book on Hologram theory...pop-science. It got weird and frankly dumb, so I didn't finish it.

As far as "energy" changing forms...we aren't the energy...what you described is the energy at work (20 watts) in a system. Once the energy stops flowing, or the system stops existing, the energy isn't being converted into work (our functioning brain and body), so we cease to exist.

Back to physics...entropy...that's where energy goes once it has been used. Increasing the entropy of the universe.
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BobbyM wrote:
GOD SAID IT AND THAT IS FINAL... I often wonder if my leg is waiting for me up in heaven...or hell. just waiting for the rest...
GOD SAID IT AND THAT IS FINAL...


I often wonder if my leg is waiting for me up in heaven...or hell. just waiting for the rest of me to catch up....lmao.

fuggin kooks
ProMed wrote:
Would you need a leg in heaven?
don't want to hop for all eternity...jesus man.
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death is easy to explain....it's the place you return to, the place you were before you were born.

people don't like that...can't say i blame em...but that is the way it is.
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death is easy to explain....it's the place you return to, the place you were before you were born. people don't like that...can't say i blame em...but...
death is easy to explain....it's the place you return to, the place you were before you were born.

people don't like that...can't say i blame em...but that is the way it is.
My mother's womb?
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BobbyM wrote:
death is easy to explain....it's the place you return to, the place you were before you were born. people don't like that...can't say i blame em...but...
death is easy to explain....it's the place you return to, the place you were before you were born.

people don't like that...can't say i blame em...but that is the way it is.
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My mother's womb?
then yer dads vas deferens...
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BobbyM wrote:
death is easy to explain....it's the place you return to, the place you were before you were born. people don't like that...can't say i blame em...but...
death is easy to explain....it's the place you return to, the place you were before you were born.

people don't like that...can't say i blame em...but that is the way it is.
Void Main wrote:
My mother's womb?
BobbyM wrote:
then yer dads vas deferens...
Hope nobody tells him about this because that's surely gonna hurt like a bitch.
12/9/2009 9:11pm
BobbyM wrote:
don't want to hop for all eternity...jesus man.
This literally made me lol
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txmxer wrote:
I read part of a book on Hologram theory...pop-science. It got weird and frankly dumb, so I didn't finish it. As far as "energy" changing forms...we...
I read part of a book on Hologram theory...pop-science. It got weird and frankly dumb, so I didn't finish it.

As far as "energy" changing forms...we aren't the energy...what you described is the energy at work (20 watts) in a system. Once the energy stops flowing, or the system stops existing, the energy isn't being converted into work (our functioning brain and body), so we cease to exist.

Back to physics...entropy...that's where energy goes once it has been used. Increasing the entropy of the universe.
Sorry Mike but classical thermodynamics is probably over most of these folks heads. lol
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BobbyM wrote:
GOD SAID IT AND THAT IS FINAL... I often wonder if my leg is waiting for me up in heaven...or hell. just waiting for the rest...
GOD SAID IT AND THAT IS FINAL...


I often wonder if my leg is waiting for me up in heaven...or hell. just waiting for the rest of me to catch up....lmao.

fuggin kooks
ProMed wrote:
Would you need a leg in heaven?
BobbyM wrote:
don't want to hop for all eternity...jesus man.
I don't want to walk for all eternity either.

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