Another active shooter

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5/8/2023 6:40am
Titan1 wrote:
People are willing to do it for DCFS…”I’m from the government and I’m here to evaluate if you are a good parent and determine if you...

People are willing to do it for DCFS…”I’m from the government and I’m here to evaluate if you are a good parent and determine if you get to keep your kids or not.”

 

Deflect elsewhere.

This is about guns that are used to kill fellow Americans.

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the issue with this is, mental illness does not stop someone from purchasing a gun. The only mental illness that it restricts is if you have...

the issue with this is, mental illness does not stop someone from purchasing a gun. The only mental illness that it restricts is if you have been admitted to a psychiatric ward.

That doesn’t do it either, you have to be adjudicated as mentally Ill. 

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Titan1 wrote:
People are willing to do it for DCFS…”I’m from the government and I’m here to evaluate if you are a good parent and determine if you...

People are willing to do it for DCFS…”I’m from the government and I’m here to evaluate if you are a good parent and determine if you get to keep your kids or not.”

 

Shiftfaced wrote:

Deflect elsewhere.

This is about guns that are used to kill fellow Americans.

So, you want the military, cops, and private citizens disarmed? 

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Titan1 wrote:
People are willing to do it for DCFS…”I’m from the government and I’m here to evaluate if you are a good parent and determine if you...

People are willing to do it for DCFS…”I’m from the government and I’m here to evaluate if you are a good parent and determine if you get to keep your kids or not.”

 

Shiftfaced wrote:

Deflect elsewhere.

This is about guns that are used to kill fellow Americans.

Ha!  
 

So rather than have someone knock on a door and say “I’m from the government I’m here to evaluate if you are mentally healthy or not.”

You’d rather just have them go door to door and say “Im from the government, I’m here to take all your guns.”

Am I right?

You keep deflecting to inanimate objects…I’ll keep focusing on a solution for the actual problem (crazy people).

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So, you want the military, cops, and private citizens disarmed? 

That cat is out of the bag.

We got Death Squads ready and willing!

Cannot take anything away from anybody, we just get to watch it all unfold.

 

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Titan1 wrote:
Ha!     So rather than have someone knock on a door and say “I’m from the government I’m here to evaluate if you are mentally...

Ha!  
 

So rather than have someone knock on a door and say “I’m from the government I’m here to evaluate if you are mentally healthy or not.”

You’d rather just have them go door to door and say “Im from the government, I’m here to take all your guns.”

Am I right?

You keep deflecting to inanimate objects…I’ll keep focusing on a solution for the actual problem (crazy people).

You following the Vallow Daybell case?

We got plenty of Utah crazy that is spilling into Idaho.

Do we need a wall to keep you out?

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Titan1 wrote:
Ha!     So rather than have someone knock on a door and say “I’m from the government I’m here to evaluate if you are mentally...

Ha!  
 

So rather than have someone knock on a door and say “I’m from the government I’m here to evaluate if you are mentally healthy or not.”

You’d rather just have them go door to door and say “Im from the government, I’m here to take all your guns.”

Am I right?

You keep deflecting to inanimate objects…I’ll keep focusing on a solution for the actual problem (crazy people).

Shiftfaced wrote:

You following the Vallow Daybell case?

We got plenty of Utah crazy that is spilling into Idaho.

Do we need a wall to keep you out?

Talk about deflecting…

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Talk about deflecting…

You said you were going to focus on the crazy, but your cup runneth over.

Right Wing Death Squad.

Is that clear enough that they are CRAZY?

Nope.

 

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Talk about deflecting…

Shiftfaced wrote:
You said you were going to focus on the crazy, but your cup runneth over. Right Wing Death Squad. Is that clear enough that they are...

You said you were going to focus on the crazy, but your cup runneth over.

Right Wing Death Squad.

Is that clear enough that they are CRAZY?

Nope.

 

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Gun reform should be forward-looking. We’re not advocating waltzing into citizens homes and confiscating their firearms; just add a few parameters nationally to make acquiring weapons a bit more responsible.
 

New drivers undergo 40 hours of behind-the-wheel training and numerous hours of on-line study to secure a drivers license. Yet an 18 year old can stroll into a gun store and purchase any weapon?  No license, no training?  At least we can start there.

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I would argue that most people who commit murder, mass or single, do not suffer from acute mental illness, but general psychosis in regards to guns, murder, and righteous glory. We've all seen comments like "I cant wait til the shooting starts" especially recently with the Title 42 fallout that's being pushed. 2 in 5 female murder victims were killed by an intimate partner. If your only tool is a gun...

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5/8/2023 8:17am
LoudLove wrote:
Gun reform should be forward-looking. We’re not advocating waltzing into citizens homes and confiscating their firearms; just add a few parameters nationally to make acquiring weapons...

Gun reform should be forward-looking. We’re not advocating waltzing into citizens homes and confiscating their firearms; just add a few parameters nationally to make acquiring weapons a bit more responsible.
 

New drivers undergo 40 hours of behind-the-wheel training and numerous hours of on-line study to secure a drivers license. Yet an 18 year old can stroll into a gun store and purchase any weapon?  No license, no training?  At least we can start there.

It’s a slippery slope. Look at how things are going in Canada. The current government here won’t be happy until no one but the government can have a gun. That includes hunters. 

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LoudLove wrote:
Gun reform should be forward-looking. We’re not advocating waltzing into citizens homes and confiscating their firearms; just add a few parameters nationally to make acquiring weapons...

Gun reform should be forward-looking. We’re not advocating waltzing into citizens homes and confiscating their firearms; just add a few parameters nationally to make acquiring weapons a bit more responsible.
 

New drivers undergo 40 hours of behind-the-wheel training and numerous hours of on-line study to secure a drivers license. Yet an 18 year old can stroll into a gun store and purchase any weapon?  No license, no training?  At least we can start there.

swordfish wrote:
It’s a slippery slope. Look at how things are going in Canada. The current government here won’t be happy until no one but the government can...

It’s a slippery slope. Look at how things are going in Canada. The current government here won’t be happy until no one but the government can have a gun. That includes hunters. 

so you think the US isnt already on a slippery slope with gun related deaths?

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LoudLove wrote:
Gun reform should be forward-looking. We’re not advocating waltzing into citizens homes and confiscating their firearms; just add a few parameters nationally to make acquiring weapons...

Gun reform should be forward-looking. We’re not advocating waltzing into citizens homes and confiscating their firearms; just add a few parameters nationally to make acquiring weapons a bit more responsible.
 

New drivers undergo 40 hours of behind-the-wheel training and numerous hours of on-line study to secure a drivers license. Yet an 18 year old can stroll into a gun store and purchase any weapon?  No license, no training?  At least we can start there.

swordfish wrote:
It’s a slippery slope. Look at how things are going in Canada. The current government here won’t be happy until no one but the government can...

It’s a slippery slope. Look at how things are going in Canada. The current government here won’t be happy until no one but the government can have a gun. That includes hunters. 

so you think the US isnt already on a slippery slope with gun related deaths?

My statement was not about gun related deaths. It was about the slow volunteering of restrictive measures that snowball out of control. I don’t follow the stats on gun related deaths in the US. I’d be happy to have a look if you want to post. I can only tell you that CDN gun restrictions have done little to reduce deaths. We don’t have very many gun deaths by legal gun owners here. It’s majority criminals and illegal guns. 

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5/8/2023 10:04am Edited Date/Time 5/8/2023 10:14am

I need an assist with the “slippery slope” analogy.

Is there a list of things that we “used to be able to do”, but now the damn government won’t let us do it any more.


I see it 100% in the opposite position. Our government leaders cannot tell the voters “no”, so they demonize their opponents instead.

“Instead of me telling you “no”, let’s find a way to blame it all on the other guy”.

Looks to me like we have some crazy mofo’s that say they are the “Right Wing Death Squad”. They want to arrest, try and execute their political opponents. Willingly. Publicly.

 

Who is shouting them down?

Nobody.

Nobody on the right, at least.

Does this not count as “crazy talk”? Are these the kinds of statements that would earn you a knock on the door, and a friendly visit from the ATF? If not, why not?


 

What are those slippery slope losses that were more of a loss than the loss of life we are seeing daily?

There has to be a list.

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Shiftfaced wrote:
I need an assist with the “slippery slope” analogy. Is there a list of things that we “used to be able to do”, but now the...

I need an assist with the “slippery slope” analogy.

Is there a list of things that we “used to be able to do”, but now the damn government won’t let us do it any more.


I see it 100% in the opposite position. Our government leaders cannot tell the voters “no”, so they demonize their opponents instead.

“Instead of me telling you “no”, let’s find a way to blame it all on the other guy”.

Looks to me like we have some crazy mofo’s that say they are the “Right Wing Death Squad”. They want to arrest, try and execute their political opponents. Willingly. Publicly.

 

Who is shouting them down?

Nobody.

Nobody on the right, at least.

Does this not count as “crazy talk”? Are these the kinds of statements that would earn you a knock on the door, and a friendly visit from the ATF? If not, why not?


 

What are those slippery slope losses that were more of a loss than the loss of life we are seeing daily?

There has to be a list.

Used to be able to smoke in bars and restaurants, was fun occasionally but mostly your clothes just smelled like an ash tray.

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Used to be able to smoke in bars and restaurants, was fun occasionally but mostly your clothes just smelled like an ash tray.

The government, after years and years of of knowing it was bad for your health, has slowly ostracized those who smoke. You can still smoke though.

Who gets the political contributions from the tobacco industry?

 

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5/8/2023 11:35am Edited Date/Time 5/8/2023 11:41am

thank you Indy, that brought the 8 dead back to life, just the solution we needed

Just quoting the republi-con answer to all these mass shootings.

You mean to say it doesn't work?

https://nypost.com/2023/05/07/texas-gop-rep-keith-self-slams-critics-of…

The Texas Congressman who represents the area of the latest mass shooting in the state criticized those who say that thoughts and prayers are not enough to combat gun violence.

Rep. Keith Self, asked on CNN about people who note that prayers have not solved mass shootings in America, lashed out and said he doesn’t want Saturday’s massacre — which left eight victims dead and seven injured — to be political.

“Those are people that don’t believe in an almighty God who is absolutely in control of our lives,” the Republican congressman said. “I’m a Christian. I believe that he is.

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8 were killed the very next day in the same state by a vehicle. Why is there no talk of vehicle control?

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8 were killed the very next day in the same state by a vehicle. Why is there no talk of vehicle control?

I heard about that…was it deliberate or an accident?

5/8/2023 1:44pm
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8 were killed the very next day in the same state by a vehicle. Why is there no talk of vehicle control?

Titan1 wrote:

I heard about that…was it deliberate or an accident?

He was being very resistant. Judge ordered blood test for drugs and alcohol. They couldn’t fingerprint him yet because he’s being somewhat combative. He is being charged with manslaughter. Not sure if this will get much national coverage as it was a hispanic male who ran over hispanic migrants. They have not tied him to white supremacy yet. 

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Dirtydeeds wrote:

8 were killed the very next day in the same state by a vehicle. Why is there no talk of vehicle control?

In another thread there was mention of breathalyzers being required on vehicles, another common sense law that won’t gain any traction 

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5/8/2023 4:42pm Edited Date/Time 5/8/2023 4:45pm
Dirtydeeds wrote:

8 were killed the very next day in the same state by a vehicle. Why is there no talk of vehicle control?

In another thread there was mention of breathalyzers being required on vehicles, another common sense law that won’t gain any traction 

I get it for convicted DWI folks, but should your tea-totalling mom have to pay for that?

DWI folks pay monthly for that.

My grandmother was killed by a DWI in 1970, so I understand, but to tax everyone who doesn't drink the same as those who do is unfair. 

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Dirtydeeds wrote:

8 were killed the very next day in the same state by a vehicle. Why is there no talk of vehicle control?

In another thread there was mention of breathalyzers being required on vehicles, another common sense law that won’t gain any traction 

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I get it for convicted DWI folks, but should your tea-totalling mom have to pay for that? DWI folks pay monthly for that. My grandmother was...

I get it for convicted DWI folks, but should your tea-totalling mom have to pay for that?

DWI folks pay monthly for that.

My grandmother was killed by a DWI in 1970, so I understand, but to tax everyone who doesn't drink the same as those who do is unfair. 

Because installing the device after theyve been pulled over/got in a wreck is reactionary, where-as everyone paying a small fee and inconvenience is being proactive

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Dirtydeeds wrote:

8 were killed the very next day in the same state by a vehicle. Why is there no talk of vehicle control?

In another thread there was mention of breathalyzers being required on vehicles, another common sense law that won’t gain any traction 

Holy mother of nanny states! You should seriously consider moving to China, I’m sure their society would fit your government control wants much better. 

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Dirtydeeds wrote:

8 were killed the very next day in the same state by a vehicle. Why is there no talk of vehicle control?

In another thread there was mention of breathalyzers being required on vehicles, another common sense law that won’t gain any traction 

Holy mother of nanny states! You should seriously consider moving to China, I’m sure their society would fit your government control wants much better. 

so you agree, that $1000 per year/per driver is too much of a fee and an inconvenience to keep 10,000 people alive?

 

If i support speed limits, does that also mean I should move to China?

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5/9/2023 5:45am Edited Date/Time 5/9/2023 5:55am
so you agree, that $1000 per year/per driver is too much of a fee and an inconvenience to keep 10,000 people alive?   If i support...

so you agree, that $1000 per year/per driver is too much of a fee and an inconvenience to keep 10,000 people alive?

 

If i support speed limits, does that also mean I should move to China?

One penny is too much. 
 

Let me guess, but you’re Pro Abortion?

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so you agree, that $1000 per year/per driver is too much of a fee and an inconvenience to keep 10,000 people alive?   If i support...

so you agree, that $1000 per year/per driver is too much of a fee and an inconvenience to keep 10,000 people alive?

 

If i support speed limits, does that also mean I should move to China?

One penny is too much. 
 

Let me guess, but you’re Pro Abortion?

sure am, I don't think comparing something that has ever been outside of a womb would compare to the impact of SeeMeFirsts grandmother 

 

whats your thoughts on speed limits?

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