On track Alpinestar medical crew does nothing, spinal chord injury is serious

spimx wrote:

Too many racers in wheelchairs now. Lots of vital guys are going to say "o but they are doctors and nurses and work on EMS"; Then...

Too many racers in wheelchairs now. Lots of vital guys are going to say "o but they are doctors and nurses and work on EMS"; Then why do they do absolutely nothing for Webb? They should have told Webb don't move at all and then they immobilize him with a scoop stretcher and move him to the x-ray for a better evaluation before anything. 

 

That was a direct hit to the spine and you can see alpinestars directing him to walk off the track then he is just sitting up on the mule. Anyone can help a rider to the mule and then drive so what does alpinestars provide??? 

 

They really need to practice some spinal trauma management on the track. The racers should understand ahead of time that if they take a big hit and are already off the track they need to just not move and alpinestars will extricate them to the mobile x-ray and a more controlled environment before they are allowed to sit up and walk around potentially exacerbating a spinal chord injury.   

The way they had Webb on the mule is exactly how they had Brian Moreau? No lessons learned???

 

Here you go FIFA is using whats called a stokes stretcher which would be better than letting Webb stumble around, make him stand then ride sitting up with nothing supporting his spine across a dirtbike track 

 

Question wrote:

5 pages and my conclusion is that it must look like a clown show, people need to sleep well and come back next year and nobody...

5 pages and my conclusion is that it must look like a clown show, people need to sleep well and come back next year and nobody actually really care except the ones employing them because their jobs relies on them (aka milking too). Some fans do but they are too tough anyway. When it is rotten, it is rotten. When people have no race, at some point we see it from miles away. It is like a religion, at some point you need education. Btw, i will get downvoted, but i do not give a dam.. sh... because you don't know how anything about me neither, life is good.

LungButter wrote:

Whoa

gharmon wrote:

I would not call them incompetent at all.  You cannot force a patient to do anything that is capable of making their own decisions. If he...

I would not call them incompetent at all.  You cannot force a patient to do anything that is capable of making their own decisions. If he says no,then its no. If, as a professional on that field in that moment you would try to tell the patient the potential risks of their treatment refusal and if they still refused then its on them (not really,the can still turn around and sue later). You would definitely make a not later that they refused treatment. Never force them.

Im not a medic or first responder. Im talking from what i see in almost all of the people that ems brings in to the ed. The patient would have most likely been collared (the ambulance he got in may have very well added a collar before getting to hospital). I DO NOT know ems protocols. I know as a nurse triaging a pt that walked in what we would do. Nothing, if they didnt complain of any neck/back pain. If,the ER dr saw that impact or was told of the possible impact im almost certain he/she would have told us to collar them. Just until ct cleared them.

I assume when the medics first got to coop they may have not seen the initial impact, thus he appeared to be more concussed than neck damage. That said, the medic was then trying to manually hold neck immobilization while riding on the mule. They knew for sure by then. 

In hindsight, everything checked out fine. Im happy for Cooper.

Glad this is all a moot point and we at least are having a discussion about rider safety. Thats never a bad thing.

 

MX455 wrote:

@gharmon I completely agree with your outlook and specifically your statements about "the medic was then trying to manually hold neck immobilization while riding on the...

@gharmon I completely agree with your outlook and specifically your statements about "the medic was then trying to manually hold neck immobilization while riding on the mule". We all can agree that this is all speculation, we were not on the floor with the rider. However, we can make observations that make us question the validity of their actions. If a rider refuses treatment then a simple ride back to the truck is all the assistance that might be needed. If at any point the situation changes, requiring immobilization or medical intervention, then everything should stop and procedures should be followed from that point forward. There should never be a scenario where medical staff are trying to immobilize a riders neck with their hands in the back of a moving piece of equipment.