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With no other commentary, the idea that school shootings are a recent phenomenon is false. Hell the NIU shooting in 2009 happened 100 yards from my apartment in a room I was scheduled to sit in two hours after the shooting.
BUT, they've been happening since the 1800's perhaps the reasoning behind them and the body counts have changed, but they've happened. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States_(before_2000)
With that said, I think it's obvious that all of us here are well adjusted enough to have made it to adulthood without killing anyone. From that position it is easy to say that it's a mental health, parenting, societal, or cultural issue versus guns is very easy. But in the inverse, it must also be obvious that not everyone is that lucky. Not every parent's child or even adult has the emotional capacity to deal with the injustices against them either real or perceived.
I own guns, I love shooting them. I go to the shooting range with somewhat regularity. I've had to spit out birdshot after a bite of duck. But to me the arithmetic of a shooting is pretty simple, if there's not a gun there's no shooting. People say "well they'll just find another weapon." Yeah, they will. But look at that chart up there and look at the number of casualties and frequency of incident and tell me if you don't see some sort of correspondence. And I'm sure that mental health has some factor in all of this, but who can tell me how to solve mental illness? Seems a bit harder than making firearms a bit harder to get.
All that said, I don't necessarily want to give up my guns. But I'm on some next level head in the sand shit if I say that the amount of firearms in this country don't have some sort of role in the amount of violence in this country.
if laws dont work, therefore guns shouldnt be illegal, why cant this be applied to all laws.
If criminals are just going to break the law, that means you fully support an open border, you cannot logically have 2 different feelings on this.
Careful now, you might cause someone to use an actual brain cell to consider drug abuse issues with talk like that.
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Yeah, but you want your entire life legislated because you're an overgrown baby lol.
Go bowl with the bumpers up.
you call it bowling bumpers, TDeath calls it less dead children
Oooooh, you got me bad on… that one!
I admit, I paraphrased something I heard after Columbine, and yes, at least this last one was a Christian School. So in your mind that outlier defines them all.
if you don’t think the distancing from God and the moral decay that is happening in our country isn’t causing this, then I feel sorry for you.
Also, on your graphs, you need to add Columbine to the timeline. Those were two terribly sick kids, and what they did created many copy cats.
And with what Boom brought up, do you not think as many kids could be killed with a machete in their classrooms?
Also, I can say that I wouldn’t be inconvenienced at all with a 2 week waiting period to buy a gun, besides having to make another trip to the gun store.
But waiting periods are what stops a “crime of passion”, like when a guy comes home to find his wife sleeping with the neighbor. It’s NOT going to stop someone who is planning to commit a mass shooting, at all.
This is just insane, you hear every excuse
social media
single parents
mental illness
video games
godlessness
every country has the same problems and yet they dont have the same issues with guns.
I took a look at the incident. Not much information but it has all the hints of gang violence. In my opinion, gang violence and "mass shootings" are not the same. Alot of you older users on here are just not in the know about how gangs and stuff have transformed. I went to school in southern florida and was exposed to alot of this. Acting like gang members and thugs are "just like us" but the gun whispered in their ear is ridiculous. These dudes will beef and meet up and slash eachother to death. I've SEEN it. This is beyond laws. The culture is broken. If you wanna know more listen to any popular rap music right now. It's not about money and cars anymore, its all about violence. Violence is the new currency.
So in your mind it’s the gun that is the problem. If there were no guns to be had by anyone, not even the deviants doing this, there would be no mass murders.
I guarantee that one of these punks could have killed just as many school kids with a 16oz claw hammer.
nope, dont think that is it at all. The gun is the solution for the demented peoples problem.
Im sure there would still be mass murders, but I believe they would be less frequent, and less casulaties if this country didnt make it so damn easy. Bombs, bats, and hammers are available today but for some reason aren't used. We will never know because we have people with heads so far up their ass that they wont budge on their "freedoms" to attempt to save lives.
A crime of passion is if a guy comes home to his wife cheating and he commits an act of violence right then and there. It’s not when a guy comes home to his wife cheating, goes to the store, buys a gun then comes back and shoots them. The second scenario involves a plan, which is homicide in the 1st degree.
I will agree, if you could push a magic button, and every gun in the world disappeared, along with all knowledge of guns, and gunpowder, there would be no gun violence. That is when the hammers, etc would show up
But no gun control law will stop people who want to harm others with a gun, from getting a gun.
Once again, MURDER is illegal. To think the fear of breaking a gun control law will stop someone who is hell bent on mass murder, is absolutely insane.
And if you think them being illegal will make them harder to get… just like drugs, I guess.
You are right. I was wrong. The law looks at it differently.
But what I was saying is also different than someone planning out a methodical attack.
With the lack of details in the story, I'm going to guess whatever it is, it doesn't make for a good headline.
Once again, MURDER is illegal. To think the fear of breaking a gun control law will stop someone who is hell bent on mass murder, is absolutely insane. - its not about eliminating murder, its about reducing it
And if you think them being illegal will make them harder to get… just like drugs, I guess. - there's no reason to guess, it's obvous. If something being illegal had literally no impact, it wouldnt be illegal anymore.
People are still going to do drugs, people are still going to drink and drive, minors are still going to get drunk, they will still speed, and people will still murder. Just try and make it a little harder to do so doesn't seem like a terrible thing to aim for.
Sorta off topic, but kinda not.
I had a colossal epiphany the other day watching some video of road rage turned shootout. Criminals all have something in common - poor impulse control. When someone decides they're going to "take it there" laws dont matter. The only thing stopping a person from hurting or killing you at that point is mechanically disabling them from carrying out their action. Anyways, my epiphany was that no matter how big and strong i am, theres always a dude willing to do time to knock my top off. My muscles wont help me then. So now, I get cut off and called a pussy or whatever, but still go home to my wife. It's all good.
Also, remember that time alcohol was illegal?
Absolutely it’s different. In the cheating situation, no one asks “why did the husband do that” whereas in most mass shootings everyone asks why, but rarely ever get an answer other than the fact that they are completely messed up in the head.
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But yet they can buy a rifle with no check whatsoever, regardless of your mental state. The Pulse nightclub shooter was on the FBI TERROR WATCH LIST. He couldn't buy a plane ticket but he could and did buy enough guns and ammo to kill 49 people in less than an hour. But because we can't even put in place the most basic measures to make sure a nut job can't get a gun, we just send thoughts and prayers afterwards.
You said… “ its not about eliminating murder, its about reducing it.”
I don’t think there is proof that it would reduce murders. I think if the rest of us were unarmed, murders would climb.
Prove me wrong on either count.
Did you guys know , that if I grabbed one of my guns and set it on a table , and never touched it.....it would never be blamed for killing anyone or anything.
Remove me from the room , and insert a crazy , murdering lunatic, that has intentions to kill people.....that gun would probably be blamed for killing someone.
Why would we blame the gun? It didn't do anything when I was standing in the room. What changed?
Did the gun all of a sudden become a mass murderer.....or was it the change of a human being standing in the room?
You don't change , fix or remove the gun......you change , fix or remove the bad person with ill intentions. Removing the gun , will only let the bad guy pick up a chair and bash your skull in.
Or...... he'll just use someone else's gun. And I won't have a gun any more to protect myself. Makes total sense. 🙄
The 2AM says they can not take my guns. So we tackle the real problem...... mental health.
How?
I dont recall saying ban guns for everyone, if I did, I apologize. I want it to be harder for crazy people to get guns, don't have any desire to take away guns from people that can be responsible with them
again, every country has mental health problems and doesnt have mass murder problems.
Keep letting children die so every fucking lunatic that wants a gun gets one. Merica
stop blaming fentanyl for deaths, a pill sitting on the counter un-bothered by anyone does no harm!
Every other western civilization has the same trappings of modern life, every country has mental health issues, so why is regular mass shootings in particular in schools uniquely a US problem?
most of what I read here is “it’s a mental health issue”
OK, so what needs to be done about mental health? And if it’s all about mental health, what do other western countries do so much better in that space?
Well… it doesn’t harm anyone who doesn’t touch the fentynal. You can put a bag of fentynal right in front of me and I’m not going to die. Put it in front of an addict and they may overdose. Put a gun in front of a homicidal person then people will die 🤷♂️ I don’t understand why that’s difficult or what point you’re trying to make 😂 I feel like you’re arguing with yourself. No one here has said a person with known mental health issues should be allowed to have a gun.
Other countries also don't have the FBI grooming shooters lol
Our country has more lunatics walking around now days , than any other 1st world country.
How do we fix it? I'm not sure. But taking my gun away , won't fix someone else's mental health issues.
That's an issue we all need to figure out , and answer too.
You guys want to punish other people, for someone else's crimes. You also want to pass the blame on to an inanimate object, that doesn't do anything.
Guns have been around for hundreds of years. Guns didn't change..... people did.
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