TV-Broadcasts and how important it is for your sport

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1/22/2023 12:46pm
-MAVERICK- wrote:

That's not the point.

You guys are paying $2 a round. 

Why should international fans pay more for the exact same broadcast?

Agreed

 

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1/22/2023 12:50pm
-MAVERICK- wrote:
The whole year, so it's better than what we had to pay before SMX was created. Previously it was almost as much just for SX and...

The whole year, so it's better than what we had to pay before SMX was created.

Previously it was almost as much just for SX and then we had to pay an additional $70-$80 USD to watch MX on NBC Sports Gold. 

Now it's all on one platform, so it makes it easier for fans to watch since they no longer have to go from MAVTV for moto 1 and NBC Sports for moto 2 to watch MX. 

Still getting fucked compared to Peacock at $5/month. 

I hear you there. Could you use Peacock with a VPN? For as expensive as it is, it’s still a good deal compared to MXGP-TV with the amount of racing considered. 

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1/22/2023 1:05pm
-MAVERICK- wrote:
The whole year, so it's better than what we had to pay before SMX was created. Previously it was almost as much just for SX and...

The whole year, so it's better than what we had to pay before SMX was created.

Previously it was almost as much just for SX and then we had to pay an additional $70-$80 USD to watch MX on NBC Sports Gold. 

Now it's all on one platform, so it makes it easier for fans to watch since they no longer have to go from MAVTV for moto 1 and NBC Sports for moto 2 to watch MX. 

Still getting fucked compared to Peacock at $5/month. 

I hear you there. Could you use Peacock with a VPN? For as expensive as it is, it’s still a good deal compared to MXGP-TV with...

I hear you there. Could you use Peacock with a VPN? For as expensive as it is, it’s still a good deal compared to MXGP-TV with the amount of racing considered. 

The VPN route worked in the past, but it seems like they've managed to put a stop to that. 

MXGP-TV is a really great value. You get EMX, WMX, MX2, MXGP, and MXoN. Saturday and Sunday racing. Plus the broadcast quality is superior to what Feld offers. Very few hiccups on the MXGP side. 

If I purchase the early bird pass for MXGP-TV it's $155.99 CAD. 

The early bird special for SMX was $130 USD. 

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MXMattii wrote:
Trying to keep it short. Most of you are probably disappointed that our sport is so niche that it has tumbled off the television. On the...

Trying to keep it short. Most of you are probably disappointed that our sport is so niche that it has tumbled off the television. On the other hand I think that both Feld & MXSports doesn’t realize how important TV-Time is, to explain this I will take the example of ASO. ASO is the promoter of the Tour de France, The Vuelta (Tour of Spain) and some other less known events. To keep cycling relevant, they have a broadcast deal with the European Broadcasting Union, an umbrella body of mainly public-service broadcasters, to air the race on each individual country’s free-to-air channel. Knowing that their sport will be viewed on those channels by hundred thousands of people, in Flanders even more than a million, day in day out.

Creating a market share in Flanders of 40 to sometimes 60%. The Italians are promoted by another firm and their big classics such as Strade, San Remo and their big Tour ‘The Giro’ isn’t broadcasted on our national broadcasting network. The numbers of these races are on another level, and not in the good way. The upside for them is that they will earn more in the sales of broadcasting rights, selling to companies behind pay-walls, but is this more or less important than getting eyes on your sport and sponsors. And for our sport, we need to be reasonable, behind a pay-wall on TV could be a forceful weapon if it's the right match.

The big question is, how is this sport regain his relevance again, while it is almost totally off air. If I'm not mistaken the AMA Arenacross gets more broadcasting time, in relay on MAVTV. We also don't see any deals made between the new alliance (FELD/MXSports) and European, Asian, Arabic, ... broadcasting players. Such as Eleven (INT), DAZN (INT), BeIN Sports (Arabic), BT Sports (UK), Sky Sports (INT), L'Equipe 21 (FRA), ProSieben (GER), Sport1 (GER),...

1. "ASO has a broadcast deal with the European Broadcasting Union, an umbrella body of mainly public-service broadcasters, to air the race on each individual country’s free-to-air channel." - Source: velonews.com

Motodave15 wrote:
To be completely honest, this is where if WSX does well... They're going to smoke the USA market in marketshare and such.. as an American i...

To be completely honest, this is where if WSX does well... They're going to smoke the USA market in marketshare and such.. as an American i really really really do not understand why Feld/AMA Supercross hasn' tried to get onboard with our fellow mx/sx riders/fans overseas. 

Umm I could be wrong but the WSX rounds weren’t aired live in the US from what I remember 

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1/22/2023 1:34pm
Magoofan wrote:

Agreed

 

I'm signing up regardless because I'm a fan.

For someone new that might be interested in signing up, it's a very steep price. The international pass also does not have a monthly option, so if you cancel you'll still be out $180, unlike Peacock where you're free to sign up and leave when you want without much of a penalty ($5). Plus, some people might just be interested in SX or MX, and without a monthly option, the price is even steeper since you're paying $180 regardless of what you watch. 

They could at the very least offer an SX package, an MX package, and an SMX package that includes everything at different price points. A per-race option for people that want to check it out wouldn't be difficult to add either. 

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1/22/2023 1:39pm
The live broadcast TV challenge is the money challenge of being a niche sport when it's indisputable that more people want to watch other sports live...

The live broadcast TV challenge is the money challenge of being a niche sport when it's indisputable that more people want to watch other sports live on the available broadcast channels.  It's going to be worse during the NFL playoff weekend when they run  Saturday games.

ESPN pays $85 million a year for F1, and $2.6 billion a year for the right to broadcast Monday Night Football.  Outside the motorsports community, MX is a gnat compared to F1. The reason cornhole or whatever other thing is the current fad (was spelling bees at one point right), either is because those bodies pay to get on air or more people want to watch spellings bees and cornhole with more ad revenue that SX would generate.

At the same time, the way we watch TV is changing. Streaming Services are where we’re all headed: 

While I’m sure the FCC will mandate that there’s always some sort of “free tv”…& I’m betting very few of us have a “digital antenna” that’s needed to get the current outgoing version of “free tv”…since you can now stream local tv over the web (but, wait, that’s seldom free for the home user, right?But, ultimately…here’s the point…

As Streaming becomes the norm, we’re going to have more opportunities to watch our races live; and, yes…often we will have to pay for that privilege. 

Over the last..,what…5+ years…I’ve watched races live from all over the globe…on my phone, on a tablet, on a laptop, on my office computer, on aircraft, in the car (passenger seat, of-course…), on USN ships (snatched from satellite) and…still…even on network tv. 

Modern Tech has changed the paradigm. 

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1/22/2023 1:47pm
-MAVERICK- wrote:
The VPN route worked in the past, but it seems like they've managed to put a stop to that.  MXGP-TV is a really great value. You...

The VPN route worked in the past, but it seems like they've managed to put a stop to that. 

MXGP-TV is a really great value. You get EMX, WMX, MX2, MXGP, and MXoN. Saturday and Sunday racing. Plus the broadcast quality is superior to what Feld offers. Very few hiccups on the MXGP side. 

If I purchase the early bird pass for MXGP-TV it's $155.99 CAD. 

The early bird special for SMX was $130 USD. 

It’s not bad if you watch all the classes. I only watch MX2 and MXGP for the most part. No time for all of it with the Nationals and my own riding/racing during the summer. You do get almost double the events with the SMX package, but less classes when it’s an EMX round of MXGP. 

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1/22/2023 2:03pm
-MAVERICK- wrote:

That's not the point.

You guys are paying $2 a round. 

Why should international fans pay more for the exact same broadcast?

Foreign conversion rates, taxes, regulations, etc. Doing business internationally isn’t as simple as just collecting the money from your customer and flipping a switch. 

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1/22/2023 4:51pm
731chopper wrote:

Foreign conversion rates, taxes, regulations, etc. Doing business internationally isn’t as simple as just collecting the money from your customer and flipping a switch. 

I don't know how those things work, but how is it that the following streaming services can be offered at the same price for the US and Canada as well as the rest of the world, yet Feld/MX Sports can't do it for SMX? The only difference is that you have to pay the exchange rate between USD and CAD for those streaming services.

-F1 TV Pro is $80 in the USA and Canada.
-NBA League Pass Premium is $89.99 in the USA and Canada.
-Flo Racing Yearly Pass is $150 in the USA and Canada.
-Netflix Premium is $19.99/month in the USA and $1 more per month in Canada.
-Disney+ is $10.99/month in the USA and $1 more per month in Canada. 

Most streaming services are being offered at comparable rates across the board, no matter which country you live in.  

Cue in SMX at $5/month in the USA and $180 USD for the rest of the world. 

There might be more to it, but based on that information alone, it looks like they're taking advantage of the rest of the world more than anything else. 

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1/22/2023 4:53pm Edited Date/Time 1/22/2023 4:55pm

I love watching the races but if I had to choose between actually riding at a track and watching the pros race 100% chance I'm going to go riding. I don't think they're even giving too much back to the sport they're not selling bikes they're selling energy drinks why would anybody buy a bike if they can't afford it and got no place to ride it anyways. 

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Magoofan wrote:
Who the hell has cable anymore?   Peacock is $4.99 a month.   FFS, you can't buy a gallon of gas for that here in San Diego. ...

Who the hell has cable anymore?

 

Peacock is $4.99 a month.   FFS, you can't buy a gallon of gas for that here in San Diego.      I got it for $19.99 for the year on the deal they had back in Sept (?)

Peacock is pretty worthless for other content though.  Lot of crap movies and even worse TV shows. 

 

People that have cable tv live in the country, outside of areas that high speed cable internet is provided.  Most satellite provided internet is not fast enough to stream hd. By switching to streaming only is a big FU to anybody rural.  This new age tech is a joke, every weekend someone is on here bitching about peacock not working meanwhile cable tv has been working flawlessly all these years. 

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1/23/2023 3:48am
The live broadcast TV challenge is the money challenge of being a niche sport when it's indisputable that more people want to watch other sports live...

The live broadcast TV challenge is the money challenge of being a niche sport when it's indisputable that more people want to watch other sports live on the available broadcast channels.  It's going to be worse during the NFL playoff weekend when they run  Saturday games.

ESPN pays $85 million a year for F1, and $2.6 billion a year for the right to broadcast Monday Night Football.  Outside the motorsports community, MX is a gnat compared to F1. The reason cornhole or whatever other thing is the current fad (was spelling bees at one point right), either is because those bodies pay to get on air or more people want to watch spellings bees and cornhole with more ad revenue that SX would generate.

TeamGreen wrote:
At the same time, the way we watch TV is changing. Streaming Services are where we’re all headed:  While I’m sure the FCC will mandate that...

At the same time, the way we watch TV is changing. Streaming Services are where we’re all headed: 

While I’m sure the FCC will mandate that there’s always some sort of “free tv”…& I’m betting very few of us have a “digital antenna” that’s needed to get the current outgoing version of “free tv”…since you can now stream local tv over the web (but, wait, that’s seldom free for the home user, right?But, ultimately…here’s the point…

As Streaming becomes the norm, we’re going to have more opportunities to watch our races live; and, yes…often we will have to pay for that privilege. 

Over the last..,what…5+ years…I’ve watched races live from all over the globe…on my phone, on a tablet, on a laptop, on my office computer, on aircraft, in the car (passenger seat, of-course…), on USN ships (snatched from satellite) and…still…even on network tv. 

Modern Tech has changed the paradigm. 

Yes.  I haven't had cable or an antenna for a few years.  The quality of on air programming is terrible.  And I don't care about our local sportsball teams, so I don't need it for that, either.

1/24/2023 7:43am

The people who complain about paying $4.99/month for Peacock never had to call a 900 number to get results or wait two weeks for the race to be tape delayed on ESPN 2 at 3AM.

Maybe the current situation isn't ideal for everyone, but having complete coverage Live for less than a dollar per day is something we shouldn't take for granted.

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in order for any sport (or anything really) to grow it must be accessible to the common man

people who don't know moto or SX will watch it if it's easy to watch and already on their current TV format, not having to search on youtube or another type of outlet. 

TV coverage is paramount if the audience.is to grow.

stupid shit like curling has coverage why not MX / SX?? 

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DEMONDAVE wrote:
in order for any sport (or anything really) to grow it must be accessible to the common man people who don't know moto or SX will...

in order for any sport (or anything really) to grow it must be accessible to the common man

people who don't know moto or SX will watch it if it's easy to watch and already on their current TV format, not having to search on youtube or another type of outlet. 

TV coverage is paramount if the audience.is to grow.

stupid shit like curling has coverage why not MX / SX?? 

I have a production company and work in TV. It comes down to price and coverage. Curling costs $20,000 to produce and MX/SX is in the $300,000. Viewership is about the same. 

 

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MXMattii wrote:
Trying to keep it short. Most of you are probably disappointed that our sport is so niche that it has tumbled off the television. On the...

Trying to keep it short. Most of you are probably disappointed that our sport is so niche that it has tumbled off the television. On the other hand I think that both Feld & MXSports doesn’t realize how important TV-Time is, to explain this I will take the example of ASO. ASO is the promoter of the Tour de France, The Vuelta (Tour of Spain) and some other less known events. To keep cycling relevant, they have a broadcast deal with the European Broadcasting Union, an umbrella body of mainly public-service broadcasters, to air the race on each individual country’s free-to-air channel. Knowing that their sport will be viewed on those channels by hundred thousands of people, in Flanders even more than a million, day in day out.

Creating a market share in Flanders of 40 to sometimes 60%. The Italians are promoted by another firm and their big classics such as Strade, San Remo and their big Tour ‘The Giro’ isn’t broadcasted on our national broadcasting network. The numbers of these races are on another level, and not in the good way. The upside for them is that they will earn more in the sales of broadcasting rights, selling to companies behind pay-walls, but is this more or less important than getting eyes on your sport and sponsors. And for our sport, we need to be reasonable, behind a pay-wall on TV could be a forceful weapon if it's the right match.

The big question is, how is this sport regain his relevance again, while it is almost totally off air. If I'm not mistaken the AMA Arenacross gets more broadcasting time, in relay on MAVTV. We also don't see any deals made between the new alliance (FELD/MXSports) and European, Asian, Arabic, ... broadcasting players. Such as Eleven (INT), DAZN (INT), BeIN Sports (Arabic), BT Sports (UK), Sky Sports (INT), L'Equipe 21 (FRA), ProSieben (GER), Sport1 (GER),...

1. "ASO has a broadcast deal with the European Broadcasting Union, an umbrella body of mainly public-service broadcasters, to air the race on each individual country’s free-to-air channel." - Source: velonews.com

A major factor on why cycling is growing and able to put it on those networks is to the manufactures investing back in. You can go all across the world and rent a bicycle from a bicycle shop at a fair price. Along with that are 1000's of learn to ride programs or high school programs. NICA (a high school cycling program) in UTAH alone has 7,500 members. Supported by Trek, a manufacture of bikes. 

Moto manufactures do little to nothing in supporting it's own sport. Southern California is a prime example of this with all the track closures. In the manufactures own backyard, they didn't even try to help track or land closures. Fox gear, who helped pala is honestly the only major showing of industry support. 

You think if I went to Specialized, Trek or any other major cycling brands headquarters, that they wouldn't be near trail system that they helped open or keep open? 

My point is going on World Wide TV for the past 30 years didn't help grow the sport. If it did why does manufactures sell 50% less bikes then they did back in the 90's. We need more than TV rights to save this industry. 

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1/24/2023 5:02pm Edited Date/Time 1/24/2023 5:04pm
appleboy wrote:
A major factor on why cycling is growing and able to put it on those networks is to the manufactures investing back in. You can go...

A major factor on why cycling is growing and able to put it on those networks is to the manufactures investing back in. You can go all across the world and rent a bicycle from a bicycle shop at a fair price. Along with that are 1000's of learn to ride programs or high school programs. NICA (a high school cycling program) in UTAH alone has 7,500 members. Supported by Trek, a manufacture of bikes. 

Moto manufactures do little to nothing in supporting it's own sport. Southern California is a prime example of this with all the track closures. In the manufactures own backyard, they didn't even try to help track or land closures. Fox gear, who helped pala is honestly the only major showing of industry support. 

You think if I went to Specialized, Trek or any other major cycling brands headquarters, that they wouldn't be near trail system that they helped open or keep open? 

My point is going on World Wide TV for the past 30 years didn't help grow the sport. If it did why does manufactures sell 50% less bikes then they did back in the 90's. We need more than TV rights to save this industry. 

That you need more than TV-Rights is true. But 30 years ago I was buying VHS-tapes from the previous AMA season. Just to show that we've come a long way, and it's mostly the American market that got delayed TV coverage in the past 15 years. About +10 years back CBS Sports had a recap from the 450 class on Sunday and SPEEDTV on Monday from the 250cc. Little later live shows, first on FOX Sports and latter on NBC Sports Network. For MX you had NBC SN and MAVTV who divided the first and second moto among them both. The saddening is that at this moment recaps, delayed replays or live on TV are all non-existing.

The self-protecting also needs to get out of the window, FELD/MXSports telling teams and privateers what they can and can't show from their sponsors is ludicrous. This made Dodge RAM leaving RCR Suzuki, ton of CBD brands and now they are battling with our Only Fans supported racer Logan Karnow. More money into the teams pockets means stronger teams with more money to sign riders, replacement riders, ... means a better product to sell for FELD and MXSports. If the product is legal, their is no reasonable explanation to make teams or privateers to cover it up! The last we need is that all riders/teams/privateers need to race in FOX or SHOT like they are doing in the UFC.

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DEMONDAVE wrote:
in order for any sport (or anything really) to grow it must be accessible to the common man people who don't know moto or SX will...

in order for any sport (or anything really) to grow it must be accessible to the common man

people who don't know moto or SX will watch it if it's easy to watch and already on their current TV format, not having to search on youtube or another type of outlet. 

TV coverage is paramount if the audience.is to grow.

stupid shit like curling has coverage why not MX / SX?? 

Casual fans wont watch it, most will find something else to do. Growing a sport by giving free stuff isnt a good business plan. Try telling the local restaurant or pizza shop. Give you free stuff, ya know to help them grow. Lol.

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