RM 250....

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Edited Date/Time 1/27/2012 7:11pm
in the 450 class. Brrrp
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Matt Fisher 9/5/2009 2:35pm
9/5/2009 2:35pm
Hopefully they're be in the 250F Pro class for 2010.
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Lightning78 9/5/2009 3:57pm
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Matt Fisher wrote:
Hopefully they're be in the 250F Pro class for 2010.
Why? They have a huge HP advantage that the 250f can't make up stock and it's even bigger once you throw in some aggressive porting and engine work. Yes I know the cc for cc argument but this would not be a fair race. I've said it before and i'll say it again, if that rule was made to allow 250 two strokes EVERYONE and their mother would be on one because it's no secret they have a big advantage in the HP dept. Once a rider gets on one and wins the "Big 3" that don;t make them anymore would be throwin down a protest immediately and the rule would be erased just like that.

It won't happen I'd rather see a drop in displacement of the 450's to bring the HP numbers in line than have them ride with the 250f's.

Can you imagine a rider that just jumped into the pro ranks starting out on a 250 two stroke?

Im all for bringing them back though as I am selling all of my 4 strokes to start smoking again but the logic about where to place them is flawed
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Lightning78 9/5/2009 3:59pm
9/5/2009 3:59pm
and I will be buying a RM250 as soon as I sell off my 250f's Woohoo
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loftyair 9/5/2009 4:02pm
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No more displacement rules, no more stroke rules. Premier class, ring ding what you bring, Support class, run what you brung.

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Wiff3 9/5/2009 4:12pm
9/5/2009 4:12pm
If you don't think think the factory 250f's are putting out serious HP, then you are just high.
dirtbikersa 9/5/2009 4:20pm
9/5/2009 4:20pm
yip, RM250's with some minor tweaks rock!
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davis224 9/5/2009 4:26pm
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Wiff3 wrote:
If you don't think think the factory 250f's are putting out serious HP, then you are just high.
my friend has a KTM 250 2 stroke, and had the chance to ride Ryan Sipes's factory 250f. He said it was rip your arms off power from idle to rev limiter, absolutely no comparison to any bike he'd ever ridden. Not everybody would be on 2 strokes. I'd say a majority would still be on 250fs.
dirtbikersa 9/5/2009 4:36pm
9/5/2009 4:36pm
would be great to bridge the gap between privateers and factory bikes. But I agree, not everybody would choose the 2 stroke...
Matt Fisher 9/5/2009 4:48pm
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Matt Fisher wrote:
Hopefully they're be in the 250F Pro class for 2010.
Lightning78 wrote:
Why? They have a huge HP advantage that the 250f can't make up stock and it's even bigger once you throw in some aggressive porting and...
Why? They have a huge HP advantage that the 250f can't make up stock and it's even bigger once you throw in some aggressive porting and engine work. Yes I know the cc for cc argument but this would not be a fair race. I've said it before and i'll say it again, if that rule was made to allow 250 two strokes EVERYONE and their mother would be on one because it's no secret they have a big advantage in the HP dept. Once a rider gets on one and wins the "Big 3" that don;t make them anymore would be throwin down a protest immediately and the rule would be erased just like that.

It won't happen I'd rather see a drop in displacement of the 450's to bring the HP numbers in line than have them ride with the 250f's.

Can you imagine a rider that just jumped into the pro ranks starting out on a 250 two stroke?

Im all for bringing them back though as I am selling all of my 4 strokes to start smoking again but the logic about where to place them is flawed
You're right, the logic is (slightly) flawed- but not as flawed as pitting 450's against the 250T, or ruining the best race bikes ever- the 125T- by pitting them against a bike with twice the engine displacement.

Comparing today's factory 250F with a 250T would have them much, much closer than a 2-stroke fan like myself would like. A much broader, longer powerband that hooks up better will more than offset the peak HP difference on tracks that aren't tacky.

In addition to cutting down on noise and cost, adding 250T to the 250 class will have the potential of increasing the number of different winners over the course of a season. IE- slippery courses will favor the thumpers, HP courses will favor the pingers. A broader range of winners makes for a more exciting season- this year has been proof of that.
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newmann 9/5/2009 5:52pm
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Killing off the 125 class was a crime against humanity. Somebody needs to go to prison.
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Lightning78 9/5/2009 6:14pm
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davis224 wrote:
my friend has a KTM 250 2 stroke, and had the chance to ride Ryan Sipes's factory 250f. He said it was rip your arms off...
my friend has a KTM 250 2 stroke, and had the chance to ride Ryan Sipes's factory 250f. He said it was rip your arms off power from idle to rev limiter, absolutely no comparison to any bike he'd ever ridden. Not everybody would be on 2 strokes. I'd say a majority would still be on 250fs.
Only a VERY SELECT FEW get bikes built like that and the HP numbers I've heard were around the high 40's even for PC bikes or bikes that last about 1 hour of hard riding. THat is what a stock 250 two stroke can do. Honda got 56hp out of RC's CR250. You can build a ridiculous 250 2 stroke for about $600 and it will put out more ponies than a $25,000 250f race engine.

I may have overstepped my bounds when I said everyone but a vast majority that cannot afford to build 1 hour timebombs they will waver over to the 2 stroke and again you'll get protests from the OEM's and teams that don't make one anymore.

JLaw proved it in that transworld video where they tested an outdated by todays standards 09 YZ250 to a 09 YZ250f and gained 3-4 seconds a lap on a relatively tight course thats hard to do. I still stand by my thoughts that displacement on 450's should be lowered to match 250 two strokes ....Yes Newman it is a dam shame the 125's got clipped, why not let em run 150's or 175's? Fresh 16 year old pro's do not need to start a career on a 250 two stroke and 10 years ago I'm sure you'd all agree.
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Moto East Mag 9/5/2009 7:12pm
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I'm on a RMZ450 now but I am hanging on to my RM250. Can't party with that puppy. She's a little old for big jumps anymore but she will make a great hare scrambles thrasher.

As far as production bikes , the RMZ suspension blows away the RM250. It's five years of development ahead, and it shows. But if you have a pro rider and a well set-up two stroke you will have some fast lap times.
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catatonic 9/6/2009 5:14am
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newmann wrote:
Killing off the 125 class was a crime against humanity. Somebody needs to go to prison.
I couldnt agree more.
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alphado 9/6/2009 5:23am
9/6/2009 5:23am
There was a KX250 out there too, but he didn't make the show.
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-eagle- 9/6/2009 6:53am
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It was shuckhart. He made High Point on it too.

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