Great vid from Leirop !!

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joe101uk wrote:
http://pulpmx.directmotocross.com/content/southwick-slaughtera-story-pictures Deeper than lierop ??? Are the photograph doing Southwick any justice ? If these pictures are anything to go by then this place is no...
http://pulpmx.directmotocross.com/content/southwick-slaughtera-story-pi…


Deeper than lierop ???

Are the photograph doing Southwick any justice ? If these pictures are anything to go by then this place is no deeper than my niece's sandbox.
That race was a mudder...of course it ain't gonna look deep...

Take a look at years past...when it was dry (not rained on)...
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joe101uk wrote:
http://pulpmx.directmotocross.com/content/southwick-slaughtera-story-pictures Deeper than lierop ??? Are the photograph doing Southwick any justice ? If these pictures are anything to go by then this place is no...
http://pulpmx.directmotocross.com/content/southwick-slaughtera-story-pi…


Deeper than lierop ???

Are the photograph doing Southwick any justice ? If these pictures are anything to go by then this place is no deeper than my niece's sandbox.
Titan wrote:
That race was a mudder...of course it ain't gonna look deep...

Take a look at years past...when it was dry (not rained on)...
Take a look at the pics from the GP of lommel. It rained alot and looks alot more deeper than southwick in the dry.
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joe101uk wrote:
http://pulpmx.directmotocross.com/content/southwick-slaughtera-story-pictures Deeper than lierop ??? Are the photograph doing Southwick any justice ? If these pictures are anything to go by then this place is no...
http://pulpmx.directmotocross.com/content/southwick-slaughtera-story-pi…


Deeper than lierop ???

Are the photograph doing Southwick any justice ? If these pictures are anything to go by then this place is no deeper than my niece's sandbox.
Titan wrote:
That race was a mudder...of course it ain't gonna look deep...

Take a look at years past...when it was dry (not rained on)...
joe101uk wrote:
Take a look at the pics from the GP of lommel. It rained alot and looks alot more deeper than southwick in the dry.
Looks about the same to me...Southwick being a bit rougher....but inconsequentially so.
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ha ha ha Osborne and Hamblin and Saylor have said Southwick is nothing like Leirop and Lommel. Lierop is real sand and far rougher than southwick is. lierop is maybe the toughest racetrack in the world. The fact that some Americans on here are to arrogant and filled with patriotic pride to admit that southwick isn't the sandiest track in the world just shows how bias and ill informed your opinions are about everything else regarding the GP and AMA

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ha ha ha Osborne and Hamblin and Saylor have said Southwick is nothing like Leirop and Lommel. Lierop is real sand and far rougher than southwick...
ha ha ha Osborne and Hamblin and Saylor have said Southwick is nothing like Leirop and Lommel. Lierop is real sand and far rougher than southwick is. lierop is maybe the toughest racetrack in the world. The fact that some Americans on here are to arrogant and filled with patriotic pride to admit that southwick isn't the sandiest track in the world just shows how bias and ill informed your opinions are about everything else regarding the GP and AMA
You have absolutely NO idea what you're talking about mccread...

And you calling someone else out for being "biased" toward one series or another is pure comedy...hypocritical, but comedy.
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Be interesting to hear Chad Reed's perspective - he's won at Lierop and been one of the best at Southwick over the last 5-6 years.
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mccread wrote:
ha ha ha Osborne and Hamblin and Saylor have said Southwick is nothing like Leirop and Lommel. Lierop is real sand and far rougher than southwick...
ha ha ha Osborne and Hamblin and Saylor have said Southwick is nothing like Leirop and Lommel. Lierop is real sand and far rougher than southwick is. lierop is maybe the toughest racetrack in the world. The fact that some Americans on here are to arrogant and filled with patriotic pride to admit that southwick isn't the sandiest track in the world just shows how bias and ill informed your opinions are about everything else regarding the GP and AMA
Titan wrote:
You have absolutely NO idea what you're talking about mccread... And you calling someone else out for being "biased" toward one series or another is pure...
You have absolutely NO idea what you're talking about mccread...

And you calling someone else out for being "biased" toward one series or another is pure comedy...hypocritical, but comedy.
Actually I spoke to Zach about it myself, and have read Saylors comments I love both series I am not Biased . but the sand is deeper and it is rougher in Leirop that is a fact!!

You are too puffed up on patriotic arrogance that you can't see anything with any perspective.

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I'm with those that wish the music were gone. That looks like a fun race and it was a nice quality video, but the thread went downhill as soon as the original poster said southwick. I honestly didn't know people compared them. Anyway, why are we comparing them now? it makes no sense. I'm sure each has it's own challenges. My recommendation is just post the vid. and then walk away next time.
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That was a better vid and looks definitely hardcore and fun! Considering I refer riding/racing in sand. I would give the edge slightly to Southwick from what I have seen. Wick has more elevation changes and gets waaay hotter! and there is no pacing yourself at the start, its straightup haul the mail from the start! The only problem recently is that AMA goes in and smoothes out the track after practice and between motos which I dont like. Remember back in like 04? Southwick crew didnt touch the track for an entire week and raced National weekend on it like that. Not only was it rough as F, but it was like 100 degrees with humidity.
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9/3/2009 9:53am Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 1:57am
Jacob Saylor's GP experiance last year

The great thing about traveling is regulating your imagination into reality. Seeing things for what they really are. I had my Americanist view of Europe, but to actually be blessed with the opportunity to see the world, is something i'm thankful for. The chance to broaden the horizons and engage in an ancient discourse and learning. It's not so much you are going to a foreign land, but rather it is you who are foreign.



I often left my trips open for discovery. The 15 countries I visited, I rarely consulted a map. It was always an adventure not exactly knowing where you are going. I find that feeling rather pleasant, compared to the monotamous routine you encounter when being in one place for long periods of time.


"I travel not to go anywhere, but to go. I travel for travel's sake. The great affair is to move" ~Robert Louis Stevenson


It was hard not to label my self as a tourist. Often blamed as being one. I had to remind myself I was here for a job. Being on a dirtbike is the most comfortable place I find myself. At least I thought that before I arrived here. The unfamiliar tracks I visited where the most alien of all places to me. The disection of each, were often met with such massive humbling experiences. Simply put, it was the hardest challenge I have faced as a rider. The legendary sand tracks put to shame anything I have contested before. The many months in Florida riding places like Croom and Dade City could hardly prepare you for bottomless sands of Lommel or Leirop.

The diversity of European cultures is easily comparable to the World GP. Each track relfected its hosting country and had something unique about it. For myself, going to a Spanish or French track ment nothing to me. It was something I would look forward to finding out.




The FIM World GP is an event full of class and regard among the riders and promoters. To be named World Champion of a sport is something that any athlete would dream of being. The talent I imagined I would be racing soon became reality. I got a literal crash course in motocross "101". I found myself struggling many times in attempts to full fill my potential, and own personal ego was deflated by being passed by riders I had honestly had no clue about. That followed shortly with a new found respect and names I would be remembering all season. It was impossible to revert my mental strength back to my amateur days when I was a cocky son of a bitch and nobody else mattered. After my first race in Valkenswaard, I knew it was going to be one long season.






Besides the roller coaster racing season, I had the opportunity to visit many captivating places you've only seen in pictures or movies. These material expressions of the real thing do no justice. Visiting the vibrant coast of Portugal or hiking through the Alps to witness century old castles, is something that I'll for sure remember. Driving through Bulgaria or Romania, you can feel your heart getting heavy. You find yourself thankful for being born with freedoms and luxuries these kids playing in poverty and dirt will never have. The petty problems you have feel very miniscule.






"Human salvation lies in the hands of the creatively maladjusted" ~Martin Luther King Jr



Admist my traveling & seeking soul, home is where my heart is and I miss it very much. My family and friends all redefined and put into perspective. I couldn't have made it this far without the support of those closest to me. Not to mention those behind the scenes. I've accomplished some goals and learned from many failures. That in itself is a success. I earned points in the hardest motocross series on the planet and made a decent living doing so.



My journey this summer has changed my focus on my identity to my integrity. Something I think all people should focus on. It's not my name, where i'm from, or what I look like, it's what I stand for. Even if I don't quite grasp it completely, I'm réveillé (awaken) to the fact that I should be.
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When you win this argument what do you get? How do you even win? When everyone on the other side concedes? Good luck with that. It's freaking dirt that you ride your bike on. Who cares if one is deeper than another ... try enjoying the races more than worrying about which series is better. You'll have more fun.
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mccread wrote:
Jacob Saylor's GP experiance last year The great thing about traveling is regulating your imagination into reality. Seeing things for what they really are. I had...
Jacob Saylor's GP experiance last year

The great thing about traveling is regulating your imagination into reality. Seeing things for what they really are. I had my Americanist view of Europe, but to actually be blessed with the opportunity to see the world, is something i'm thankful for. The chance to broaden the horizons and engage in an ancient discourse and learning. It's not so much you are going to a foreign land, but rather it is you who are foreign.



I often left my trips open for discovery. The 15 countries I visited, I rarely consulted a map. It was always an adventure not exactly knowing where you are going. I find that feeling rather pleasant, compared to the monotamous routine you encounter when being in one place for long periods of time.


"I travel not to go anywhere, but to go. I travel for travel's sake. The great affair is to move" ~Robert Louis Stevenson


It was hard not to label my self as a tourist. Often blamed as being one. I had to remind myself I was here for a job. Being on a dirtbike is the most comfortable place I find myself. At least I thought that before I arrived here. The unfamiliar tracks I visited where the most alien of all places to me. The disection of each, were often met with such massive humbling experiences. Simply put, it was the hardest challenge I have faced as a rider. The legendary sand tracks put to shame anything I have contested before. The many months in Florida riding places like Croom and Dade City could hardly prepare you for bottomless sands of Lommel or Leirop.

The diversity of European cultures is easily comparable to the World GP. Each track relfected its hosting country and had something unique about it. For myself, going to a Spanish or French track ment nothing to me. It was something I would look forward to finding out.




The FIM World GP is an event full of class and regard among the riders and promoters. To be named World Champion of a sport is something that any athlete would dream of being. The talent I imagined I would be racing soon became reality. I got a literal crash course in motocross "101". I found myself struggling many times in attempts to full fill my potential, and own personal ego was deflated by being passed by riders I had honestly had no clue about. That followed shortly with a new found respect and names I would be remembering all season. It was impossible to revert my mental strength back to my amateur days when I was a cocky son of a bitch and nobody else mattered. After my first race in Valkenswaard, I knew it was going to be one long season.






Besides the roller coaster racing season, I had the opportunity to visit many captivating places you've only seen in pictures or movies. These material expressions of the real thing do no justice. Visiting the vibrant coast of Portugal or hiking through the Alps to witness century old castles, is something that I'll for sure remember. Driving through Bulgaria or Romania, you can feel your heart getting heavy. You find yourself thankful for being born with freedoms and luxuries these kids playing in poverty and dirt will never have. The petty problems you have feel very miniscule.






"Human salvation lies in the hands of the creatively maladjusted" ~Martin Luther King Jr



Admist my traveling & seeking soul, home is where my heart is and I miss it very much. My family and friends all redefined and put into perspective. I couldn't have made it this far without the support of those closest to me. Not to mention those behind the scenes. I've accomplished some goals and learned from many failures. That in itself is a success. I earned points in the hardest motocross series on the planet and made a decent living doing so.



My journey this summer has changed my focus on my identity to my integrity. Something I think all people should focus on. It's not my name, where i'm from, or what I look like, it's what I stand for. Even if I don't quite grasp it completely, I'm réveillé (awaken) to the fact that I should be.
IF thats J. Saylor' own writing (and not ghosted) then he is wasted on a bike! He should take up writing for a living - I was moved! (I didn't know Americans could be so profound. And listening to the average post race interview can you blame me?)
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9/3/2009 10:16am Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 1:57am
Oh hell with it, I concede in this debate. You guys win. GPs have tougher tracks and faster riders no doubt. MXDN history proves that Dizzy
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I could care less about who has deeper tracks. All I know is America (the best country ever) has the best videos ever. I saw 4 minutes of shtty crowd shots and slow motion of people walking around. And about 3 seconds of riding. The shots of the riding were so bad that you couldn't even see the track to make a judgment on it.
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Watch the replay of the 2nd moto MX2 and take a look at Joel Roelants passing Shaun Simpson (17min 25sec in the video).

Watch his speed and great sandriding skills.

MX2 Moto 2 Lierop VIDEO

HERE the replay of the 2nd moto MX1. The track gets rougher and rougher.

Here some posts from our friend SH last year.


8/1/2008 8:28 AM

SH_105 wrote: You know what......Valkenswaard was not that bad!! Lierop and Lommel make that place look like the 91 freeway!!

Believe me I have ridden with James, Timmy, GL and Reedy in Florida sand and I promise it just doesnt compare!! It just gets soooo deep that all your momentum has got to be good other wise it is not fun!! I know we have some really good sand riders here but Calimero and Rattray will most likely dominate this weekend.

SH 105
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This is a real sand track:




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Titan, yer way off base on this one. I've raced Southwick back in the day, and I went to the MXdN in Leirop back in 04 (or whenever it was that we sent no team), and there is no comparison. None. The sand in Leirop is so deep and slushy and the fucking ruts are ridiculous. Trust me, Leirop is a much, much harder track.

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Great stuff.
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Titan wrote:
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Bauer wrote:
Titan, yer way off base on this one. I've raced Southwick back in the day, and I went to the MXdN in Leirop back in 04...
Titan, yer way off base on this one. I've raced Southwick back in the day, and I went to the MXdN in Leirop back in 04 (or whenever it was that we sent no team), and there is no comparison. None. The sand in Leirop is so deep and slushy and the fucking ruts are ridiculous. Trust me, Leirop is a much, much harder track.

Whatever...I still maintain that southwick, when they just leave it rough, is the best sand track in the world...You have no idea what you're talking about.
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Titan wrote:
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Bauer wrote:
Titan, yer way off base on this one. I've raced Southwick back in the day, and I went to the MXdN in Leirop back in 04...
Titan, yer way off base on this one. I've raced Southwick back in the day, and I went to the MXdN in Leirop back in 04 (or whenever it was that we sent no team), and there is no comparison. None. The sand in Leirop is so deep and slushy and the fucking ruts are ridiculous. Trust me, Leirop is a much, much harder track.

Titan wrote:
Whatever...I still maintain that southwick, when they just leave it rough, is the best sand track in the world...You have no idea what you're talking about.
So Bauer, a former national pro, who has raced Southwick and been to Leirop, has no idea what he's talking about.

And neither does Jacob Saylor.

Nor Zach Osborne.

But you do...

Just wanted to get that straight.
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Rudicross wrote:
Watch the replay of the 2nd moto MX2 and take a look at Joel Roelants passing Shaun Simpson ([u]17min 25sec in the video[/u]). Watch his speed...
Watch the replay of the 2nd moto MX2 and take a look at Joel Roelants passing Shaun Simpson (17min 25sec in the video).

Watch his speed and great sandriding skills.

MX2 Moto 2 Lierop VIDEO

HERE the replay of the 2nd moto MX1. The track gets rougher and rougher.

Here some posts from our friend SH last year.


8/1/2008 8:28 AM

SH_105 wrote: You know what......Valkenswaard was not that bad!! Lierop and Lommel make that place look like the 91 freeway!!

Believe me I have ridden with James, Timmy, GL and Reedy in Florida sand and I promise it just doesnt compare!! It just gets soooo deep that all your momentum has got to be good other wise it is not fun!! I know we have some really good sand riders here but Calimero and Rattray will most likely dominate this weekend.

SH 105
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Re: Joel Roelants passing Shaun Simpson (17min 25sec in the video). ...

That riding is moto porn. Awesome.

Love seeing real sand specialists. That Leirop place is gnarly. Such great racing because guys can make up several seconds in one straight if they get a flow going out of a turn. Proper man's track I reckon.
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Bauer wrote:
Titan, yer way off base on this one. I've raced Southwick back in the day, and I went to the MXdN in Leirop back in 04...
Titan, yer way off base on this one. I've raced Southwick back in the day, and I went to the MXdN in Leirop back in 04 (or whenever it was that we sent no team), and there is no comparison. None. The sand in Leirop is so deep and slushy and the fucking ruts are ridiculous. Trust me, Leirop is a much, much harder track.

Titan wrote:
Whatever...I still maintain that southwick, when they just leave it rough, is the best sand track in the world...You have no idea what you're talking about.
Maber wrote:
So Bauer, a former national pro, who has raced Southwick and been to Leirop, has no idea what he's talking about. And neither does Jacob Saylor...
So Bauer, a former national pro, who has raced Southwick and been to Leirop, has no idea what he's talking about.

And neither does Jacob Saylor.

Nor Zach Osborne.

But you do...

Just wanted to get that straight.
Yup...pretty much.















(In case anyone hasn't noticed...I've been using stinky chum the entire time on this thread...and yet, the fish keep biting...amazing)
9/3/2009 2:46pm
Titan wrote:
Whatever...I still maintain that southwick, when they just leave it rough, is the best sand track in the world...You have no idea what you're talking about.
Maber wrote:
So Bauer, a former national pro, who has raced Southwick and been to Leirop, has no idea what he's talking about. And neither does Jacob Saylor...
So Bauer, a former national pro, who has raced Southwick and been to Leirop, has no idea what he's talking about.

And neither does Jacob Saylor.

Nor Zach Osborne.

But you do...

Just wanted to get that straight.
Titan wrote:
Yup...pretty much.















(In case anyone hasn't noticed...I've been using stinky chum the entire time on this thread...and yet, the fish keep biting...amazing)
Ha, Dont forget who baited the first hook Titan, and boy have you done some wriggling till Bauer finally got the club out !!
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Maber wrote:
So Bauer, a former national pro, who has raced Southwick and been to Leirop, has no idea what he's talking about. And neither does Jacob Saylor...
So Bauer, a former national pro, who has raced Southwick and been to Leirop, has no idea what he's talking about.

And neither does Jacob Saylor.

Nor Zach Osborne.

But you do...

Just wanted to get that straight.
Titan wrote:
Yup...pretty much.















(In case anyone hasn't noticed...I've been using stinky chum the entire time on this thread...and yet, the fish keep biting...amazing)
Ha, Dont forget who baited the first hook Titan, and boy have you done some wriggling till Bauer finally got the club out !!
More accurately...I saw you throw your hook in, I went over to it...wrapped it around a log, then grabbed the line...and plain pulled you of the boat...climed in the boat myself, and started chuming away, and with all kinds of success.

It only counts as fishing, if the fish don't know your fishing...I knew you were fishing from the second I read your posts, which is why I replied with my post about how great southwick is...and ever since then it appears peole didn't know they were even on the line....
9/3/2009 3:45pm
HA , Good sport man, you take care !
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Choose a line, any line.





Screw that, i hate riding any sandtracks. Half a lap and i'm spent.

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