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Ewan 8/31/2009 9:47am
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Devil1nNj wrote:
How can you possibly call Stewart out for not going for the Overall, when Everts did the same thing against RC? It is really lame how...
How can you possibly call Stewart out for not going for the Overall, when Everts did the same thing against RC?

It is really lame how people do not realize how a team event works. Egotism, and Vanity have no place in that style event.

Is it a shame that this is the only event we can compare our top riders and bench race? Yes. But, it will always be this way as the event format remains.

These discussions are always US vs the world. When 99% of US fans that I know could not care less over where a rider is from.
A good rider is a good rider period.
CP gets tons of praise, and recognition here and next year when ppl get to know him a little more, he will have a shite load of fans on top of the tons he has now. And he's on a pro circuit 250f because it is the place to be in US teams! Look at the door on the hauler!
PC may be the place to be if your on a 250F but the 250 Class is no place for Christophe to be........

Anyway this is an AC thread - FORZA TONI!
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Chili 8/31/2009 9:53am
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Ewan wrote:
Haha Fuckin' ignorant Yank. Love your patriotism bra.....
RACERX69 wrote:


Call it ignorance, call it patriotism, call it what you prefer. In the end, it's fact.
Regardless of how anyone views either series, the fact you feel you can speak for every rider in the GP paddock makes it ignorance and that's a fact.
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Devil1nNj 8/31/2009 10:03am
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Ewan wrote:
PC may be the place to be if your on a 250F but the 250 Class is no place for Christophe to be........ Anyway this is...
PC may be the place to be if your on a 250F but the 250 Class is no place for Christophe to be........

Anyway this is an AC thread - FORZA TONI!
So your logic would be not to win a 250f US Championship, and then go for a 450f?

Because he cant drop down if he only got the 450. His resume would look a lot nicer with MX2 Champ /250 East Champ / 250 National Champ / 450 National Champ.

He should see if you're available for a managerial position. You think big.

And thanks for keeping us on topic, I noticed all your previous posts have only been about AC.
Thank God your here.
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SMITH201 8/31/2009 10:04am
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While our "deadwood" does consistantly finish back in the pack, there is no doubt that the massive amount of GP "deadwood" wouldnt even qualify for a National.

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Ewan 8/31/2009 10:22am
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Regardless of how anyone views either series, the fact you feel you can speak for every rider in the GP paddock makes it ignorance and that's...
Regardless of how anyone views either series, the fact you feel you can speak for every rider in the GP paddock makes it ignorance and that's a fact.
Nah i don't feel i can speak for every GP rider and if you interperet it that way then that's your problem, i purely responded to the bullshit posted by RACERX69

"Ask any rider from any part of the world if he would rather have a US title or a World title and I guarantee, not a one would chose World. "

Now that my friend is ignorant.
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Devil1nNj wrote:
How can you possibly call Stewart out for not going for the Overall, when Everts did the same thing against RC? It is really lame how...
How can you possibly call Stewart out for not going for the Overall, when Everts did the same thing against RC?

It is really lame how people do not realize how a team event works. Egotism, and Vanity have no place in that style event.

Is it a shame that this is the only event we can compare our top riders and bench race? Yes. But, it will always be this way as the event format remains.

These discussions are always US vs the world. When 99% of US fans that I know could not care less over where a rider is from.
A good rider is a good rider period.
CP gets tons of praise, and recognition here and next year when ppl get to know him a little more, he will have a shite load of fans on top of the tons he has now. And he's on a pro circuit 250f because it is the place to be in US teams! Look at the door on the hauler!
Everts has no problem to admit that Ricky was faster that day in Zolder.
I guess Bubba will never admit that Everts was stronger in 2006 ???

http://motorsm.com/motorsport/moto/world_motocross/2003_MXDN.asp
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Ewan wrote:
PC may be the place to be if your on a 250F but the 250 Class is no place for Christophe to be........ Anyway this is...
PC may be the place to be if your on a 250F but the 250 Class is no place for Christophe to be........

Anyway this is an AC thread - FORZA TONI!
Devil1nNj wrote:
So your logic would be not to win a 250f US Championship, and then go for a 450f? Because he cant drop down if he only...
So your logic would be not to win a 250f US Championship, and then go for a 450f?

Because he cant drop down if he only got the 450. His resume would look a lot nicer with MX2 Champ /250 East Champ / 250 National Champ / 450 National Champ.

He should see if you're available for a managerial position. You think big.

And thanks for keeping us on topic, I noticed all your previous posts have only been about AC.
Thank God your here.
Yeah actually i do think he should go 450 for '10 whether he gets this 250 championship or not.

He has nothing to prove in 250's, he's a world champion, winning in AMA SX before he was injured, he's won a regional sx championship post injury and along with Dungey and Weimer has been head and shoulders above the rest of the field in the Nationals.

He rides a 450 well, having done so in the French National Championship, so other than the possibility of another plate for Mitch's semi and a fat bonus what has CP to gain from another year on a tiddler?

Management isn't my thing, however thanks for the concern over my career but i'm doing fine in Architecture. As for thinking big, all we fecking hear is you guys complaining about the depth of the 450s and Reed cherry picking. However, the minute a euro says it you go on the attack.

Bet there are plenty of yanks thinking the same as me, but will never admit it. I know how you lot like to hold each others dicks on here but thats cool......

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Titan 8/31/2009 11:09am
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Though the MXdN is a country vs country race...it is possible to look at it as an AMA vs GP's race as well, given the nationality of so many riders currently racing in America.

Non-Americans racing in America, that will also (could also-I don't know who is riding for whom) be racing at the MXdN:

Reed,
Metcalf,
Byrne,
Townley???,
Rattray
Searle
Pourcel
Antsie
Cooper
Langston???
(I'm sure I'm missing someone...there are several more Aussies)

Plus the three Americans

And this year especially, it is possible to have 7 of the 9 riders on the top three teams racing in America (if Australia, USA, and either Britan-with searle, or S. Africa-with Rattray can podium). And easily possible for 6 of the 9 riders on the top three teams to be AMA based riders (since USA and Austrailia are almost podium gaurantees, with likely Italy up there as well...though I won't predict what order).

And if 6 or 7 of the 9 riders on the top three teams at the MXdN are riding in America, that has to say something to the depth of the American series, right?
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ehr400 8/31/2009 11:13am
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Ewan wrote:
You've never been in a GP paddock, right?
RACERX69 wrote:
Nope, don't need to. Any pro rider in a GP paddock who tells you he'd rather have a World title is lying. He's simply giving you...
Nope, don't need to.

Any pro rider in a GP paddock who tells you he'd rather have a World title is lying. He's simply giving you lip service. What he's really saying is. "I'm just going to lay low here in Europe and race the GP's because I'm afraid of SX ".

btw...the "weak" National riders absolutley devastated the GP's riders last time they came to America. Racing in America must not be as weak as you think. With Stewart supposedly coming back for the Nationals next year along with Villipoto, Allesi, Grant, Dungey, etc, the GP's could only wish of having a field that talented. Shit, our senior citizen of the Nationals, Timmy Ferry spanked your World Champ, Steve Ramon at Budds. Had to do it from a bad start too!

Don't even make me bring up RC spanking Everts on a 2-stroke at Zolder in 2003.
joe101uk wrote:
Your an idiot. Dont even make me bring up Everts spanking RC at Foxhills. Carmichael couldnt even make it up the hill, go and search for...
Your an idiot.

Dont even make me bring up Everts spanking RC at Foxhills.

Carmichael couldnt even make it up the hill, go and search for some clips and you will see Everts riding over bikes up that hill, then you'll see Carmichael just sat on his bike at the side watching him go up.
Do your research buddy. RC on a 125 in the shittiest track ever. Try riding a 125 up a hill in 3 feet of mud. Then get on a 250 or 500. Doesn't matter anyways, Everts conceded that RC is a better sand rider then him. What about when Windham spanked him and the rest of the euros back in '99 at Budds Creek? How about 2005 France? I dont think Everts was on the radar.
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8/31/2009 11:13am Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 1:53am
Dude, a championship is a championship. Titles are what matters. How you can say theres nothing to prove, when he has not proved that he can win a 250 National title is what we disagree on.








I got this stuck in my head now after this discussion

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZLxAlTrhPA&feature=related
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Titan 8/31/2009 11:33am
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Ewan wrote:
PC may be the place to be if your on a 250F but the 250 Class is no place for Christophe to be........ Anyway this is...
PC may be the place to be if your on a 250F but the 250 Class is no place for Christophe to be........

Anyway this is an AC thread - FORZA TONI!
Devil1nNj wrote:
So your logic would be not to win a 250f US Championship, and then go for a 450f? Because he cant drop down if he only...
So your logic would be not to win a 250f US Championship, and then go for a 450f?

Because he cant drop down if he only got the 450. His resume would look a lot nicer with MX2 Champ /250 East Champ / 250 National Champ / 450 National Champ.

He should see if you're available for a managerial position. You think big.

And thanks for keeping us on topic, I noticed all your previous posts have only been about AC.
Thank God your here.
Ewan wrote:
Yeah actually i do think he should go 450 for '10 whether he gets this 250 championship or not. He has nothing to prove in 250's...
Yeah actually i do think he should go 450 for '10 whether he gets this 250 championship or not.

He has nothing to prove in 250's, he's a world champion, winning in AMA SX before he was injured, he's won a regional sx championship post injury and along with Dungey and Weimer has been head and shoulders above the rest of the field in the Nationals.

He rides a 450 well, having done so in the French National Championship, so other than the possibility of another plate for Mitch's semi and a fat bonus what has CP to gain from another year on a tiddler?

Management isn't my thing, however thanks for the concern over my career but i'm doing fine in Architecture. As for thinking big, all we fecking hear is you guys complaining about the depth of the 450s and Reed cherry picking. However, the minute a euro says it you go on the attack.

Bet there are plenty of yanks thinking the same as me, but will never admit it. I know how you lot like to hold each others dicks on here but thats cool......

Assuming everyone is healthy both classes on both sides of the pond, who has more depth (you name the GP talent)?

AMA:

-Stewart
-Reed
-RV
-Alessi
-Dungey
-Pourcel
-Langston
-Townley
-Byrne
-Windham
-Grant
-Tedesco
-Millsaps
-Short
-Canard
-Barcia
-Wharton
-Searle
-Rattray
-Wiemer
-Stroupe
-Izzi
-Ferry
-Hahn
-Hepler

(I'm sure I"m missing some)

Plus...we've got, probably 8 of the 10 fastest guys on the planet right now:

Stewart
Reed
RV
Pourcel
Dungey
Alessi
Townley
Langston
Grant
Canard
Weimer

(any 8 of those guys can be the fastest in the world on any given day)

Then AC will be in there some place too...

We've got without question the 5 fastest guys in the world racing here...JS, RV, CR, CP, RD. Without Question...

How does the GP depth stack up?

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joe101uk 8/31/2009 11:48am
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Devil1nNj wrote:
So your logic would be not to win a 250f US Championship, and then go for a 450f? Because he cant drop down if he only...
So your logic would be not to win a 250f US Championship, and then go for a 450f?

Because he cant drop down if he only got the 450. His resume would look a lot nicer with MX2 Champ /250 East Champ / 250 National Champ / 450 National Champ.

He should see if you're available for a managerial position. You think big.

And thanks for keeping us on topic, I noticed all your previous posts have only been about AC.
Thank God your here.
Ewan wrote:
Yeah actually i do think he should go 450 for '10 whether he gets this 250 championship or not. He has nothing to prove in 250's...
Yeah actually i do think he should go 450 for '10 whether he gets this 250 championship or not.

He has nothing to prove in 250's, he's a world champion, winning in AMA SX before he was injured, he's won a regional sx championship post injury and along with Dungey and Weimer has been head and shoulders above the rest of the field in the Nationals.

He rides a 450 well, having done so in the French National Championship, so other than the possibility of another plate for Mitch's semi and a fat bonus what has CP to gain from another year on a tiddler?

Management isn't my thing, however thanks for the concern over my career but i'm doing fine in Architecture. As for thinking big, all we fecking hear is you guys complaining about the depth of the 450s and Reed cherry picking. However, the minute a euro says it you go on the attack.

Bet there are plenty of yanks thinking the same as me, but will never admit it. I know how you lot like to hold each others dicks on here but thats cool......

Titan wrote:
Assuming everyone is healthy both classes on both sides of the pond, who has more depth (you name the GP talent)? AMA: -Stewart -Reed -RV -Alessi...
Assuming everyone is healthy both classes on both sides of the pond, who has more depth (you name the GP talent)?

AMA:

-Stewart
-Reed
-RV
-Alessi
-Dungey
-Pourcel
-Langston
-Townley
-Byrne
-Windham
-Grant
-Tedesco
-Millsaps
-Short
-Canard
-Barcia
-Wharton
-Searle
-Rattray
-Wiemer
-Stroupe
-Izzi
-Ferry
-Hahn
-Hepler

(I'm sure I"m missing some)

Plus...we've got, probably 8 of the 10 fastest guys on the planet right now:

Stewart
Reed
RV
Pourcel
Dungey
Alessi
Townley
Langston
Grant
Canard
Weimer

(any 8 of those guys can be the fastest in the world on any given day)

Then AC will be in there some place too...

We've got without question the 5 fastest guys in the world racing here...JS, RV, CR, CP, RD. Without Question...

How does the GP depth stack up?

How have you put James Stewart on that list when he doesn't ride outdoors anymore ?
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joe101uk 8/31/2009 11:53am
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RACERX69 wrote:
Nope, don't need to. Any pro rider in a GP paddock who tells you he'd rather have a World title is lying. He's simply giving you...
Nope, don't need to.

Any pro rider in a GP paddock who tells you he'd rather have a World title is lying. He's simply giving you lip service. What he's really saying is. "I'm just going to lay low here in Europe and race the GP's because I'm afraid of SX ".

btw...the "weak" National riders absolutley devastated the GP's riders last time they came to America. Racing in America must not be as weak as you think. With Stewart supposedly coming back for the Nationals next year along with Villipoto, Allesi, Grant, Dungey, etc, the GP's could only wish of having a field that talented. Shit, our senior citizen of the Nationals, Timmy Ferry spanked your World Champ, Steve Ramon at Budds. Had to do it from a bad start too!

Don't even make me bring up RC spanking Everts on a 2-stroke at Zolder in 2003.
joe101uk wrote:
Your an idiot. Dont even make me bring up Everts spanking RC at Foxhills. Carmichael couldnt even make it up the hill, go and search for...
Your an idiot.

Dont even make me bring up Everts spanking RC at Foxhills.

Carmichael couldnt even make it up the hill, go and search for some clips and you will see Everts riding over bikes up that hill, then you'll see Carmichael just sat on his bike at the side watching him go up.
ehr400 wrote:
Do your research buddy. RC on a 125 in the shittiest track ever. Try riding a 125 up a hill in 3 feet of mud. Then...
Do your research buddy. RC on a 125 in the shittiest track ever. Try riding a 125 up a hill in 3 feet of mud. Then get on a 250 or 500. Doesn't matter anyways, Everts conceded that RC is a better sand rider then him. What about when Windham spanked him and the rest of the euros back in '99 at Budds Creek? How about 2005 France? I dont think Everts was on the radar.
2005 france was a weird one because Everts got t-boned by C-class riders from the north pole in both his motos....but whatever Townley kept Carmichael honest and Everts was kicking Townleys ass for the majority of the year.

Carmichael a better sand rider than Everts ?.....................ok i've heard it all now hahahaha.
Poker_Player 8/31/2009 12:16pm
8/31/2009 12:16pm
Titan wrote:
Assuming everyone is healthy both classes on both sides of the pond, who has more depth (you name the GP talent)? AMA: -Stewart -Reed -RV -Alessi...
Assuming everyone is healthy both classes on both sides of the pond, who has more depth (you name the GP talent)?

AMA:

-Stewart
-Reed
-RV
-Alessi
-Dungey
-Pourcel
-Langston
-Townley
-Byrne
-Windham
-Grant
-Tedesco
-Millsaps
-Short
-Canard
-Barcia
-Wharton
-Searle
-Rattray
-Wiemer
-Stroupe
-Izzi
-Ferry
-Hahn
-Hepler

(I'm sure I"m missing some)

Plus...we've got, probably 8 of the 10 fastest guys on the planet right now:

Stewart
Reed
RV
Pourcel
Dungey
Alessi
Townley
Langston
Grant
Canard
Weimer

(any 8 of those guys can be the fastest in the world on any given day)

Then AC will be in there some place too...

We've got without question the 5 fastest guys in the world racing here...JS, RV, CR, CP, RD. Without Question...

How does the GP depth stack up?

Titan wrote:
How does the GP depth stack up?


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Chili 8/31/2009 12:21pm
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Regardless of how anyone views either series, the fact you feel you can speak for every rider in the GP paddock makes it ignorance and that's...
Regardless of how anyone views either series, the fact you feel you can speak for every rider in the GP paddock makes it ignorance and that's a fact.
Ewan wrote:
Nah i don't feel i can speak for every GP rider and if you interperet it that way then that's your problem, i purely responded to...
Nah i don't feel i can speak for every GP rider and if you interperet it that way then that's your problem, i purely responded to the bullshit posted by RACERX69

"Ask any rider from any part of the world if he would rather have a US title or a World title and I guarantee, not a one would chose World. "

Now that my friend is ignorant.
Uhhh I was referencing RacerX69's ignorant post that you've included in your reply.
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Titan 8/31/2009 12:21pm
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Ewan wrote:
Yeah actually i do think he should go 450 for '10 whether he gets this 250 championship or not. He has nothing to prove in 250's...
Yeah actually i do think he should go 450 for '10 whether he gets this 250 championship or not.

He has nothing to prove in 250's, he's a world champion, winning in AMA SX before he was injured, he's won a regional sx championship post injury and along with Dungey and Weimer has been head and shoulders above the rest of the field in the Nationals.

He rides a 450 well, having done so in the French National Championship, so other than the possibility of another plate for Mitch's semi and a fat bonus what has CP to gain from another year on a tiddler?

Management isn't my thing, however thanks for the concern over my career but i'm doing fine in Architecture. As for thinking big, all we fecking hear is you guys complaining about the depth of the 450s and Reed cherry picking. However, the minute a euro says it you go on the attack.

Bet there are plenty of yanks thinking the same as me, but will never admit it. I know how you lot like to hold each others dicks on here but thats cool......

Titan wrote:
Assuming everyone is healthy both classes on both sides of the pond, who has more depth (you name the GP talent)? AMA: -Stewart -Reed -RV -Alessi...
Assuming everyone is healthy both classes on both sides of the pond, who has more depth (you name the GP talent)?

AMA:

-Stewart
-Reed
-RV
-Alessi
-Dungey
-Pourcel
-Langston
-Townley
-Byrne
-Windham
-Grant
-Tedesco
-Millsaps
-Short
-Canard
-Barcia
-Wharton
-Searle
-Rattray
-Wiemer
-Stroupe
-Izzi
-Ferry
-Hahn
-Hepler

(I'm sure I"m missing some)

Plus...we've got, probably 8 of the 10 fastest guys on the planet right now:

Stewart
Reed
RV
Pourcel
Dungey
Alessi
Townley
Langston
Grant
Canard
Weimer

(any 8 of those guys can be the fastest in the world on any given day)

Then AC will be in there some place too...

We've got without question the 5 fastest guys in the world racing here...JS, RV, CR, CP, RD. Without Question...

How does the GP depth stack up?

joe101uk wrote:
How have you put James Stewart on that list when he doesn't ride outdoors anymore ?
Because he is still competing professionally in AMA sactioned professional races, is still eligible to race the outdoors and by all intents and purposes will next year...not to mention he could come off the couch and smoke anyone on the either side of the pond.

But all of that info, and that's all you got?
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Ewan 8/31/2009 12:27pm
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Devil1nNj wrote:
Dude, a championship is a championship. Titles are what matters. How you can say theres nothing to prove, when he has not proved that he can...
Dude, a championship is a championship. Titles are what matters. How you can say theres nothing to prove, when he has not proved that he can win a 250 National title is what we disagree on.








I got this stuck in my head now after this discussion

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZLxAlTrhPA&feature=related
Don't sweat the small stuff man, everyone's entitled to their opinion, this place would be boring as hell if we all agreed.

Get your ass over to the nations, support your boys, chew the fat with us euros and i'll buy you an iced soda....lol I'm sure the bench racing would be just as close as the action on the track haha

BTW "Holy shit what a dream I was having louis armstrong was trying to kill me" - LMAO what a line!
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burnside 8/31/2009 12:39pm
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Didn't Swanepole finish higher in his first National than he has all season in the GP's? What does that say?

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Butters 8/31/2009 12:43pm
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Laughing You fools just jump right into Mccread's boat! At least make him earn his catches. He's been using the same bait for years!
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We've got without question the 5 fastest guys in the world racing here...JS, RV, CR, CP, RD. Without Question...

How does the GP depth stack up? Antonio Cairoli, Marvin Musquin and Ken Roczen will show that in 32 and 33 days Wink
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Titan 8/31/2009 12:53pm
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Rudicross wrote:
We've got without question the 5 fastest guys in the world racing here...JS, RV, CR, CP, RD. Without Question... [b][i]How does the GP depth stack up...
We've got without question the 5 fastest guys in the world racing here...JS, RV, CR, CP, RD. Without Question...

How does the GP depth stack up? Antonio Cairoli, Marvin Musquin and Ken Roczen will show that in 32 and 33 days Wink
Considering that 3 of the 5 won't be there (JS, RV, CP), I highly doubt that...no doubt those two are fast...and maybe they are faster than CP and CR...I don't know...
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Ewan 8/31/2009 12:56pm
8/31/2009 12:56pm Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 1:53am
Titan wrote:
Assuming everyone is healthy both classes on both sides of the pond, who has more depth (you name the GP talent)? AMA: -Stewart -Reed -RV -Alessi...
Assuming everyone is healthy both classes on both sides of the pond, who has more depth (you name the GP talent)?

AMA:

-Stewart
-Reed
-RV
-Alessi
-Dungey
-Pourcel
-Langston
-Townley
-Byrne
-Windham
-Grant
-Tedesco
-Millsaps
-Short
-Canard
-Barcia
-Wharton
-Searle
-Rattray
-Wiemer
-Stroupe
-Izzi
-Ferry
-Hahn
-Hepler

(I'm sure I"m missing some)

Plus...we've got, probably 8 of the 10 fastest guys on the planet right now:

Stewart
Reed
RV
Pourcel
Dungey
Alessi
Townley
Langston
Grant
Canard
Weimer

(any 8 of those guys can be the fastest in the world on any given day)

Then AC will be in there some place too...

We've got without question the 5 fastest guys in the world racing here...JS, RV, CR, CP, RD. Without Question...

How does the GP depth stack up?

Off the top of my head GPs would be represented by

Cairoli
Barragan
Nagl
Davi Pillipaerts
Ramon
DeSalle
DeDycker
Strijbos
DeReuver
Seb Pourcel
MacKenzie
Tanel Leok
Coppins
Swanepoel
Simpson
Goncalves
Musquin
Paulin
Aubin
Roelants
Roczen
Van Horebeek
Frossard
Guarneri
Boissiere
Sword

I'd say that was just as deep.

You're having a laugh though with Langston, Hepler and Townley? Much as i respect each of them, when did they last race? Is this a 2009 comparison or Titan's recent years hero list? You might as well stick RC in the mix as well.

Stewart not racing nationals yeah? I heard he's Texas' fastest ride day host though...

Hope you guys can take the above with the humour intended?
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Assuming everyone is healthy both classes on both sides of the pond, who has more depth (you name the GP talent)? AMA: -Stewart -Reed -RV -Alessi...
Assuming everyone is healthy both classes on both sides of the pond, who has more depth (you name the GP talent)?

AMA:

-Stewart
-Reed
-RV
-Alessi
-Dungey
-Pourcel
-Langston
-Townley
-Byrne
-Windham
-Grant
-Tedesco
-Millsaps
-Short
-Canard
-Barcia
-Wharton
-Searle
-Rattray
-Wiemer
-Stroupe
-Izzi
-Ferry
-Hahn
-Hepler

(I'm sure I"m missing some)

Plus...we've got, probably 8 of the 10 fastest guys on the planet right now:

Stewart
Reed
RV
Pourcel
Dungey
Alessi
Townley
Langston
Grant
Canard
Weimer

(any 8 of those guys can be the fastest in the world on any given day)

Then AC will be in there some place too...

We've got without question the 5 fastest guys in the world racing here...JS, RV, CR, CP, RD. Without Question...

How does the GP depth stack up?

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Off the top of my head GPs would be represented by Cairoli Barragan Nagl Davi Pillipaerts Ramon DeSalle DeDycker Strijbos DeReuver Seb Pourcel MacKenzie Tanel Leok...
Off the top of my head GPs would be represented by

Cairoli
Barragan
Nagl
Davi Pillipaerts
Ramon
DeSalle
DeDycker
Strijbos
DeReuver
Seb Pourcel
MacKenzie
Tanel Leok
Coppins
Swanepoel
Simpson
Goncalves
Musquin
Paulin
Aubin
Roelants
Roczen
Van Horebeek
Frossard
Guarneri
Boissiere
Sword

I'd say that was just as deep.

You're having a laugh though with Langston, Hepler and Townley? Much as i respect each of them, when did they last race? Is this a 2009 comparison or Titan's recent years hero list? You might as well stick RC in the mix as well.

Stewart not racing nationals yeah? I heard he's Texas' fastest ride day host though...

Hope you guys can take the above with the humour intended?
I said, assuming everyone is healthy...and those guys do have factory rides at the moment (didn't hepler podium in SX?)...I guess Langston doesn't. But he'll be back next year likely with his own team, with factory support.

And Townley, when healthy, is extremely fast (you know that...his GP record is amazing)...as is Langston (World Champ and the 2007 national champ)...and Hepler is fast as well SX podium this year.


So, America has the three fastest in the world..bar none...JS, RV, CR....AMA has the premier talent in the world....that says a lot...and then after that...it evens up a bit...with CP, RD, Alessi, AC...and then after that it'll likely be a wash, a total crap shoot...

I still say America has more depth...if for no reason than the three fastest in the world and 6 of the 7 fastest riders in the world race here....
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mumhra 8/31/2009 1:38pm
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To everyone who seems to think that the AMA series is superiour compared to the gp series : "Can you guys please explain me this ?"


We all know what Desalle did at Wahougal. We also know how he's doing in the GP series. We all know what Swanepoel did at the next round in the AMA series and we all know how long it took him to put down a decent result in europe. And we all know how Marc de Reuver did last year at Southwick and we all know he he did in the GP series. Their results all looked similar with how the finish in Europe.

Now we should find an american guy that rides the AMA series that is willing to come over to europe for a one of event and check out how he does.... wait a minute... i found one Smile
A guy named Robby Marshall. OK... he's no Bubba and he's no RC but he is a decent rider that is capable of some top 10 finishes. Look at his results in Southwick.
moto 1 :



moto 2 :


5th and 7th... no top rider but it gives us some idea on where he is in the AMA series. Same as DeReuver (who finished 2nd i believe in moto 1 in last year in Southwick) and Swanepoel (who finished 6th overall if i remember correctly). Maybe Robby is not comparable to Clement Desalle but hey... the AMA series is superiour... not ?


If i see a 5th and 7th place of an american rider in the AMA series and he is willing to go to Europe for a race i expect him to finish inside the top 5 in Europe as well... Hell... the AMA series is superiour so winning should be no problem at all...(if i read some of your guys posts that is...)


Well... Robby came to Europe. He entered the race in Lommel. On a Suzuki 450, just like he rides in the USA. Probably not exactly the same bike but DeReuver, Desalle and Swanepoel also were not on their normal bikes. Desalle was on a stock bike...

And how did Robby do ? Well.... In the qualifying race Robby finished 18th out of 31. Not exactly what you would expect from a guy from a superiour series... And the worst was yet to come. On sunday, when the track really got rough, when the boys were done playing and the real men showed themselves Robby finished 30th in moto 1 and 31st (and dead last) in moto 2. (check http://www.motocrossmx1.com/ for results if you don't believe me) Superiour series ?? My ass.... A guy that finished in 5th position on a sand track in the USA can't even finish inside the top 15 on a sand track in europe.


No series is superiour. They are equal. Every series has some great riders. Shame some of you guys can't see it. And it really is a shame that a thread that is started with Cairoli again has to end in a "which series is best" discussion. Grow up...

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Titan 8/31/2009 1:49pm
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One off races prove nothing...just saying...

hell, dowd finished 2nd in moto 2 at southwick...it doesn't mean he's the second fastest rider in America.


And its funny how you contribute to the "which series is best" discussion, and then have the balls to say it's a "shame"....Hypocrite?
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Congratulations to Tony Cairoli who won his 3rd world title and 1st MX1 crown today in his first year, I can't remember the last time that...
Congratulations to Tony Cairoli who won his 3rd world title and 1st MX1 crown today in his first year, I can't remember the last time that happened maybe Greg Albertyn in 93... v special rider!
Europe vs USA, excluding this year when was the last time you could field a team from Europe capable of beating the US riders? I don't mean bits and pieces of years past, just three guys you could make a team of that were legitimate threats going in?

Why don't they ever have anything for the US team during qualifying when the overall isn't on the line? Even when it's on regular GP tracks.
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Congratulations to Tony Cairoli who won his 3rd world title and 1st MX1 crown today in his first year, I can't remember the last time that...
Congratulations to Tony Cairoli who won his 3rd world title and 1st MX1 crown today in his first year, I can't remember the last time that happened maybe Greg Albertyn in 93... v special rider!
So according to this theory team China or maybe India should be dominating right? I think it's more likely the popularity of a sport not the total population..hence why america is soo weak at soccer or football or whatever- How many folks living in Australia? I ask this because I think they have one of the best shots at it this year-
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Cook441 8/31/2009 3:08pm
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Robby is a bad example- Southwick was his home track ...like when Jason Mckormick was hauling ass at Washougal...you need to find a more consistent rider that has a proven history of a top 10 performance IMO
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Cook441 8/31/2009 3:13pm
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Ewan wrote:
You've never been in a GP paddock, right?
RACERX69 wrote:
Nope, don't need to. Any pro rider in a GP paddock who tells you he'd rather have a World title is lying. He's simply giving you...
Nope, don't need to.

Any pro rider in a GP paddock who tells you he'd rather have a World title is lying. He's simply giving you lip service. What he's really saying is. "I'm just going to lay low here in Europe and race the GP's because I'm afraid of SX ".

btw...the "weak" National riders absolutley devastated the GP's riders last time they came to America. Racing in America must not be as weak as you think. With Stewart supposedly coming back for the Nationals next year along with Villipoto, Allesi, Grant, Dungey, etc, the GP's could only wish of having a field that talented. Shit, our senior citizen of the Nationals, Timmy Ferry spanked your World Champ, Steve Ramon at Budds. Had to do it from a bad start too!

Don't even make me bring up RC spanking Everts on a 2-stroke at Zolder in 2003.
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Your an idiot. Dont even make me bring up Everts spanking RC at Foxhills. Carmichael couldnt even make it up the hill, go and search for...
Your an idiot.

Dont even make me bring up Everts spanking RC at Foxhills.

Carmichael couldnt even make it up the hill, go and search for some clips and you will see Everts riding over bikes up that hill, then you'll see Carmichael just sat on his bike at the side watching him go up.
Even Everts admitted RC was the Goat- I think they both shared mutual respect for one another but RC not only walked away from Everts in 03 but then after Everts gave props to RC, RC announced no SX as his knee had been popping out over the jumps and he was getting it fixed...the dude is one bad MF that has passed Stewart more times than once on an outdoor track

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