Sad, where is the HEART?

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Farva 8/30/2009 9:08pm
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flarider wrote:
There should be some pissed off managers and there damn well better be some pissed off riders, if not....fire all of them I may catch shit...
There should be some pissed off managers and there damn well better be some pissed off riders, if not....fire all of them


I may catch shit for this within the industry, but all these "pros" got SPANKED BY A 44 YR OLD ONCE A YEAR RACER....44 yrs old!! Races one national a year!!


WTF??


And no offense to Matt Goerke, I am very happy and proud of him for his win, but c'mon guys...he's a part timer with limited testing and experience on the bike probably not even getting crap for a salary...IF AT ALL....and he kicked everyone's ass!!


If I was in a big office in one of the OEM buildings, I'd be having a few meetings, a lot of yelling and be shit canning a few people and slashing budgets


All you're doing in this thread is discrediting Dowd and the other riders that did well. I guess Hahn and the others had no heart because they couldn't beat those 2 in horrible racing conditions.
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jmar 8/30/2009 9:29pm
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Shimokitazawa wrote:
95% of the guys out there don't ride with heart and it's been that way for a long time. the few that do wear their heart...
95% of the guys out there don't ride with heart and it's been that way for a long time. the few that do wear their heart on their sleeves are either out injured or retired.

we're kind of in the dark ages for MX talent.
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I say 95% of the people who say this kind of $hit dont have a clue.
No I would say that 99.9% would be more accurate.
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MXTRAINER1 8/30/2009 9:58pm
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This post was in no way a discredit to JD. He did his job to the best of his ability and that was third overall.
JD was a 5th to 7th place rider when RC and company were charging. JD has stayed consistent and the new "company" has not been able to come up to the challenge in a consistent manner.

Again, I am saddened by this more than upset. Do I have the answer for all of those who should be racing for the win, no.
It may be time for some if not all of those hired to do a job, look into themselves and see if this is really what they want to do to the best of their ability.
Be honest with the answer, not only to yourself but to those who have supported and believe in you and what you stand for.

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fcr wrote:
I think the season is too long for SX and MX together. The factory vs privateer is not equal either and the 450's are brutally fast...
I think the season is too long for SX and MX together. The factory vs privateer is not equal either and the 450's are brutally fast and powerful now. If the playing field on equipment was level you would see more effort by all . jmo
20 years ago riders were riding multiple classes at the same time on rougher tracks. Only 15-20 guys had factory rides and everyone else were privateers driving their own vans cross country to the races. The bikes were just as powerful but only had 1/2 the handling, 1/2 the smoothness, 1/2 the brakes, 1/2 the reliability and 1/2 the ergonomics.

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fcr 8/30/2009 10:11pm
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You can't compare. I think that the pace is faster for longer durations. I agree many were riding multiple classes , but the level of training during the week is much more intense now also. It is a long season with little time for a body to recoup from the beating it takes. Once the Nats are over then you have the Open , Europe and so on. Plus they keep at the training. The equipment wasn't as smooth for sure so that took it's toll, but the mental aspect is way more intense now. I still think it is harder on a persons body now. You have some good points.
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the_wood109 8/30/2009 10:28pm
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MXTRAINER1 wrote:
Let me preface this post by saying: 1. It is close to the end of the season where many of the regulars are riding with injuries...
Let me preface this post by saying:
1. It is close to the end of the season where many of the regulars are riding with injuries, burn out and self preservation.
2. Many of the riders just coming into the Nationals have nothing to lose and everything to gain by charging.

If any of the regulars are riding with injuries or other issues this is not for you.

Where is the heart of these riders? Where are the racers that actually want to win races and not give in? Has there been a change in what races are for or athletes in general within our sport?
I will not mention any names I know many of whom I am referring to and it saddens me to write this.
I have stood up for riders who I knew had injuries or issues not allowing them to ride to their potential but I feel this is not the case with ALL of them.
I have to say that riders like Regal, Dowd and Barcia are from a mold that appears to be hidden from the majority.
They never give up and give what they have each race. Win or lose you are seeing them work to win.
As Flarider said in another post, there are going to be more than a few meetings with team riders by their team managers.

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1) Where is the heart of these riders?

In all of threads about this topic, I've heard one name besides Lawrence. Millsaps. Didn't he just win a moto last weekend? He was reeled in and had the HEART to hold on for the moto win. Anyone have any more names? I hear all of these generalizations about the riders, but no specifics. John Dowd gets a 2nd in a moto and all of the riders have no heart? I hate to break it to you guys but the weather played a big part in that as well. Rain and mud alter the results. Its always been that way.

2) Where are the racers that actually want to win races and not give in?

There are at least 39 of them on the gate every weekend. Its obvious that this question is based on a single race, a mud race of all things. You've proven that you are basing your entire opinion of the riders on this one and only race. "I have to say that riders like Regal, Dowd and Barcia are from a mold that appears to be hidden from the majority." I suggest you re evaluate your criteria, then come back to the question because there are many races that the riders "with heart" have had days that would make you accuse them of not trying hard enough. (That is what you mean by heart, isn't it?)

3)Has there been a change in what races are for or athletes in general within our sport?

This is the first year in a long time that the nats haven't been completely DOMINATED. The question of heart was asked then, and now that riders have a shot to win its the same question. In fact, more riders are winning and fighting for wins than have been for a long time. The only change is that there aren't any superheroes racing this year.

Anyone questioning heart based on one race or even moto, needs to look in the mirror and evaluate themselves. There was a similar post back when Ernie got hurt about him not trying hard enough. A week later, he is fucking paralyzed. The guy can never walk again. In that week to the people that post on these forums, the guy went from slacker with no heart to having the biggest heart in the world.

Quit being so god damn narrow minded.
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teggers 8/30/2009 10:47pm
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BobbyM wrote:
heart is simply put...DESIRE. where you have easy money the heart is small for the most part... but when the cash is small all you got...
heart is simply put...DESIRE.

where you have easy money the heart is small for the most part... but when the cash is small all you got is heart
Heart is simply put ....Goerke. 18 years of training at 23 years old. I saw every year.
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teggers 8/30/2009 10:57pm
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teggers 8/30/2009 10:57pm
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JB 19 8/30/2009 11:09pm
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With the pay rapidly decreasing in this sport and the crop of fast kids coming up I look for a big change in the next few years.

The guys who have been crusing for the past 5 years and buying 10,000 SQ ft homes will get mowed over by the kids who are fighting for a couple bucks.
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Goride333 8/30/2009 11:20pm
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Like someone already said, pay on results. The Factory bikes arent being handed out for people to ride around in 10th. The money in the sport these days gives the riders reason to just ride around and try not to get hurt. If you wanted to get paid REAL money years ago you had to win. Riders werent buying houses and cars and "bling" before they had even shown anything. Rookies make more now then great riders made not too long ago. That is why they care less about winning. And that isnt ment to shit talk anyone, its just reality.
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Devil1nNj 8/31/2009 5:29am
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I agree with Allen.
Look at Barcia, stuck in the gate -2nd. That's heart.
Something you do not see happening with way, way, too many riders.

I'm of the hope that, with the shortage of money, and more performance based contracts, we will start seeing more tenacious riders coming up. There will be no room for "coasters cashing paychecks" . Smile
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davis224 8/31/2009 5:46am
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did anybody ever think, just maaybe, that some people are just faster than others in different conditions? I know, it's hard to believe every single person can't just get extra talent out of thin air, but hey, it's possible!

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