Sad, where is the HEART?

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Edited Date/Time 1/27/2012 2:03am
Let me preface this post by saying:
1. It is close to the end of the season where many of the regulars are riding with injuries, burn out and self preservation.
2. Many of the riders just coming into the Nationals have nothing to lose and everything to gain by charging.

If any of the regulars are riding with injuries or other issues this is not for you.

Where is the heart of these riders? Where are the racers that actually want to win races and not give in? Has there been a change in what races are for or athletes in general within our sport?
I will not mention any names I know many of whom I am referring to and it saddens me to write this.
I have stood up for riders who I knew had injuries or issues not allowing them to ride to their potential but I feel this is not the case with ALL of them.
I have to say that riders like Regal, Dowd and Barcia are from a mold that appears to be hidden from the majority.
They never give up and give what they have each race. Win or lose you are seeing them work to win.
As Flarider said in another post, there are going to be more than a few meetings with team riders by their team managers.

Alan Gerkey
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8/29/2009 10:51pm
time will tell...
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8/29/2009 10:55pm Edited Date/Time 8/29/2009 10:56pm
Weege's theory on the latest RX podcast is what I subscribe to.

Paraphrasing

*Essentially, racers and their families sacrifice everything to make it to the pro class and the paycheck. After sacrificing everything and achieving that goal there are only a select few who refocus to be the best and avoid burnout.
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8/29/2009 11:15pm Edited Date/Time 8/30/2009 12:00am
8/30/2009 12:47am
95% of the guys out there don't ride with heart and it's been that way for a long time. the few that do wear their heart on their sleeves are either out injured or retired.

we're kind of in the dark ages for MX talent.

The Shop

8/30/2009 1:48am
95% of the guys out there don't ride with heart and it's been that way for a long time. the few that do wear their heart...
95% of the guys out there don't ride with heart and it's been that way for a long time. the few that do wear their heart on their sleeves are either out injured or retired.

we're kind of in the dark ages for MX talent.
I say 95% of the people who say this kind of $hit dont have a clue.
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8/30/2009 3:53pm
Or theres the ones that are busting there ass and they keep having mechanical issues.
8/30/2009 3:55pm Edited Date/Time 8/30/2009 3:55pm
Seems like a bunch of spoiled ass kids. They grow up with Daddy's washing their bikes for them, doing all the work on them, changing oil, air filters, etc...
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8/30/2009 3:55pm
Well, a lot of guys have been getting hurt on 450's.

Only a few guys can run these things to their max. Until the bikes get slower, you aren't going to see much aggressive balls to the wall type riding.
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8/30/2009 4:01pm Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 1:52am
There should be some pissed off managers and there damn well better be some pissed off riders, if not....fire all of them


I may catch shit for this within the industry, but all these "pros" got SPANKED BY A 44 YR OLD ONCE A YEAR RACER....44 yrs old!! Races one national a year!!


WTF??


And no offense to Matt Goerke, I am very happy and proud of him for his win, but c'mon guys...he's a part timer with limited testing and experience on the bike probably not even getting crap for a salary...IF AT ALL....and he kicked everyone's ass!!


If I was in a big office in one of the OEM buildings, I'd be having a few meetings, a lot of yelling and be shit canning a few people and slashing budgets


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8/30/2009 4:02pm
Personally I'm surprised by this post Alan.

You are not towing the company line, this should be a post offering excuses for many a rider.

Be careful, before long you will get labled a cranky old man.

I must say I do agree with you though.
8/30/2009 4:09pm
While its not a new thing but a lot of racers don't realize that working hard to make the pros doesn't mean once your there thats it, each step up the ladder means more hard work and dedication to get it done.
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8/30/2009 4:24pm
I think the season is too long for SX and MX together. The factory vs privateer is not equal either and the 450's are brutally fast and powerful now. If the playing field on equipment was level you would see more effort by all . jmo
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8/30/2009 5:00pm Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 1:52am
Alan, I read you loud & clear.
Having run programs, again I get it.
1st, there's no perfect wheel.
In or out of the gym, she doesn't exist.
In every generation & over time, standouts appear.
They seem to shine no matter what.
Regardless of money, support, infrastructure, whatever,
as they say, "the cream rises to the top".
It's the same here too.............
Building a team, program, whatever takes time.
It takes heart too.
You have to assemble a crew of people that want the same beyond a paycheck!
Once you have that, the athlete is next.
Many times it's a crap-shoot, many times it's a given, but in each & every case
you expect that willingness to win. To rise to the top of the class, & you do this
times how many you have in your control.
Some get it, most don't.
All seem good, your picks anyways going in.
However, over time, say pre-season testing, you start to see the hits & misses,
& then it's a game of not letting that happen & take over your guy or guys.
Most it seems had the heart to make it this far, into the Pros, yet many get lost
along the way. For me, that's part of the challenge.
For the athletes, you must keep that challenge alive & the fight that goes with it
if he's searching himself.
Unfortunately, many of today's athletes are lost!
Confused!
Many go through the motions & before you know it they're done!
What's the secret?
I don't think there is 1, except giving it your all, all the time & going the extra
miles needed to reach your goals.
That's what gets me up in the morning & hopefully all else follow!
Dave O.Wink
8/30/2009 5:05pm
From the viewpoint of an avid fan, I can see validation in Alan's post. There has been riders that fit that bill ever since we started having riders like MC and RC dominating. Maybe it is worst now than it has been and being in the industry it is even more apparent. There are many factory riders that have not been up to par this season.

One thing I don't think is fair is to take away from the miraculous ride that John Dowd had this weekend in making Alan's point. There is no shame in getting beat at Southwick by John Dowd. The man has done this year in and year out prior to and after retiring. Same with Henry before being injured. Racing one race a year and being retired, both riders have run competitive laps with RC at Southwick. What has it been, 3 years or 4 years since he was on the same ride as Reed? He was a top 5 rider when he retired with both RC and JS racing. Where is the shame in that? They guy still has the skills to kill it on his favorite track. I just don't think that using John Dowd as a gauge or his age (which has never been a factor for him) to make a point about the topic. John Dowd was one of the greats of our sport and he keeps proving why. I'm so stoked for Dowd but in truth I am not overly surprised. Matter of fact, after missing the races, I rushed home to see if Dowd got a top 5. That is exactly what I was expecting.
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8/30/2009 5:11pm
Al the guy's riding with heart are in the 250 class! Top 3 in that class, move them up next year! In that class for 3 years, move them up next year! There are riders in the 250 class that seem to have been there forever...
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8/30/2009 5:12pm
I loved watching Dowd and Goerke lay the wood to what factory riders are left. Showed how ill prepared some of them really are. Actually made some of them look downright stupid, home track advantage or not. Dowd is old enough to be most of those racers dad! At one point the factories were so disinterested in open class bikes that some of them quit offering them. Too powerful , too fast or too difficult to ride. So the open class disappeared altogether only to be reborn a few years down the road as the 450 class. Maybe it needs to be done away with again. Nobody left to race the outdoors by the time the SX season is over. That is if they even want to race the outdoors on the current crop of open class bikes. Bring back the 125 class so some entry level talent can shine, perfect class for those pro level 16 year olds that are looking to head to Europe. We are seriously fucking up MX here in the US if we don't provide a class for these kids to ride. The 250F class isn't what it was supposed to be , definitely not bikes that were designed to compete with 125's, but rather made them obsolete. And it no longer is a class for entry level pros to step up to the premier class. For the most part, it currently is the premier class.
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8/30/2009 5:19pm
MXTRAINER1 wrote:
Let me preface this post by saying: 1. It is close to the end of the season where many of the regulars are riding with injuries...
Let me preface this post by saying:
1. It is close to the end of the season where many of the regulars are riding with injuries, burn out and self preservation.
2. Many of the riders just coming into the Nationals have nothing to lose and everything to gain by charging.

If any of the regulars are riding with injuries or other issues this is not for you.

Where is the heart of these riders? Where are the racers that actually want to win races and not give in? Has there been a change in what races are for or athletes in general within our sport?
I will not mention any names I know many of whom I am referring to and it saddens me to write this.
I have stood up for riders who I knew had injuries or issues not allowing them to ride to their potential but I feel this is not the case with ALL of them.
I have to say that riders like Regal, Dowd and Barcia are from a mold that appears to be hidden from the majority.
They never give up and give what they have each race. Win or lose you are seeing them work to win.
As Flarider said in another post, there are going to be more than a few meetings with team riders by their team managers.

Alan Gerkey
heart is simply put...DESIRE.

where you have easy money the heart is small for the most part... but when the cash is small all you got is heart
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flarider wrote:
There should be some pissed off managers and there damn well better be some pissed off riders, if not....fire all of them I may catch shit...
There should be some pissed off managers and there damn well better be some pissed off riders, if not....fire all of them


I may catch shit for this within the industry, but all these "pros" got SPANKED BY A 44 YR OLD ONCE A YEAR RACER....44 yrs old!! Races one national a year!!


WTF??


And no offense to Matt Goerke, I am very happy and proud of him for his win, but c'mon guys...he's a part timer with limited testing and experience on the bike probably not even getting crap for a salary...IF AT ALL....and he kicked everyone's ass!!


If I was in a big office in one of the OEM buildings, I'd be having a few meetings, a lot of yelling and be shit canning a few people and slashing budgets


Had to be said again.

It's becoming a pattern here and even though Dowd is a legend at his home track his dominating performance just amplified what's already being seen. AT the Factory level we have riders that get a bad start and charge as far forward as possible till the checkers drop then there are other riders who get a bad start and just stay there. Then there are guys that ride with enough heart to collect a paycheck then once it's close to contract time the same few wick it up and suprisingly get rehired only to do the same thing over and over.

The way these contracts are written needs to change
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newmann wrote:
I loved watching Dowd and Goerke lay the wood to what factory riders are left. Showed how ill prepared some of them really are. Actually made...
I loved watching Dowd and Goerke lay the wood to what factory riders are left. Showed how ill prepared some of them really are. Actually made some of them look downright stupid, home track advantage or not. Dowd is old enough to be most of those racers dad! At one point the factories were so disinterested in open class bikes that some of them quit offering them. Too powerful , too fast or too difficult to ride. So the open class disappeared altogether only to be reborn a few years down the road as the 450 class. Maybe it needs to be done away with again. Nobody left to race the outdoors by the time the SX season is over. That is if they even want to race the outdoors on the current crop of open class bikes. Bring back the 125 class so some entry level talent can shine, perfect class for those pro level 16 year olds that are looking to head to Europe. We are seriously fucking up MX here in the US if we don't provide a class for these kids to ride. The 250F class isn't what it was supposed to be , definitely not bikes that were designed to compete with 125's, but rather made them obsolete. And it no longer is a class for entry level pros to step up to the premier class. For the most part, it currently is the premier class.
great post!
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8/30/2009 6:21pm Edited Date/Time 8/30/2009 6:26pm
95% of the guys out there don't ride with heart and it's been that way for a long time. the few that do wear their heart...
95% of the guys out there don't ride with heart and it's been that way for a long time. the few that do wear their heart on their sleeves are either out injured or retired.

we're kind of in the dark ages for MX talent.
lostboy819 wrote:
I say 95% of the people who say this kind of $hit dont have a clue.
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8/30/2009 6:24pm Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 1:53am
95% of the guys out there don't ride with heart and it's been that way for a long time. the few that do wear their heart...
95% of the guys out there don't ride with heart and it's been that way for a long time. the few that do wear their heart on their sleeves are either out injured or retired.

we're kind of in the dark ages for MX talent.
lostboy819 wrote:
I say 95% of the people who say this kind of $hit dont have a clue.
BS.


I'm over hearing about how tough it is to be a professional MX racer with all the travel, testing, and racing.


I spent 39 months working 70 to 80 hours a week, traveling around the country, making quota, handling the company's largest account while growing another account to surpass the biggest account the company ever had only to get a douche bag boss that made my life hell and made sure I left the company. I didn't fulfill some of the responsibilities of being a father while I was traveling 3 plus days a week or stuck in my office 18 hours a day, getting up for five AM conference calls after not getting to bed until after midnight...............


I do not feel sorry for the rock stars that are factory riders. Some of these guys should be ashamed of themselves IMO


Also please no talk about doing away with Open bikes. If you want to further kill the sport just put everyone on 250Fs to further bankrupt racers' families. Our sport hasn't gotten it yet to quiet the 450s down to reduce sound and making them more tractable in the process.
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8/30/2009 6:24pm
Pay them by how they finish with an injury clause so they have some security.
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The Rock wrote:
BS. I'm over hearing about how tough it is to be a professional MX racer with all the travel, testing, and racing. I spent 39 months...
BS.


I'm over hearing about how tough it is to be a professional MX racer with all the travel, testing, and racing.


I spent 39 months working 70 to 80 hours a week, traveling around the country, making quota, handling the company's largest account while growing another account to surpass the biggest account the company ever had only to get a douche bag boss that made my life hell and made sure I left the company. I didn't fulfill some of the responsibilities of being a father while I was traveling 3 plus days a week or stuck in my office 18 hours a day, getting up for five AM conference calls after not getting to bed until after midnight...............


I do not feel sorry for the rock stars that are factory riders. Some of these guys should be ashamed of themselves IMO


Also please no talk about doing away with Open bikes. If you want to further kill the sport just put everyone on 250Fs to further bankrupt racers' families. Our sport hasn't gotten it yet to quiet the 450s down to reduce sound and making them more tractable in the process.
I agree.
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8/30/2009 6:39pm
I disagree.

Neglecting family is not a sign of hard work.
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8/30/2009 6:53pm
I feel like I need to answer Alan's question

Where is the Heart ? That would be in the upper left Chest cavity. he he
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8/30/2009 7:08pm
Send all the slackers to the GP's. Josh Coppins will teach them a thing or 2 about desire ( heart ) to win.

I think the riders have found a comfort zone in their riding and instead of fighting all the way, they pick up a top 10 and get paid just as much for a win.
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8/30/2009 7:31pm
Wheelchair manufacturers love MX bunch of pussies with no heart. Pffffft.

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flarider wrote:
There should be some pissed off managers and there damn well better be some pissed off riders, if not....fire all of them I may catch shit...
There should be some pissed off managers and there damn well better be some pissed off riders, if not....fire all of them


I may catch shit for this within the industry, but all these "pros" got SPANKED BY A 44 YR OLD ONCE A YEAR RACER....44 yrs old!! Races one national a year!!


WTF??


And no offense to Matt Goerke, I am very happy and proud of him for his win, but c'mon guys...he's a part timer with limited testing and experience on the bike probably not even getting crap for a salary...IF AT ALL....and he kicked everyone's ass!!


If I was in a big office in one of the OEM buildings, I'd be having a few meetings, a lot of yelling and be shit canning a few people and slashing budgets


I put up an almost identicle post to your above last night! But removed it thinking that I may catch a lot of grief. As you can see my post above was edited and not it contains nothing.

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