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Regis 8/29/2009 9:09pm
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500guy wrote:
So you are saying guy's like Josh Hansen do not get rides atleast partially because of their last name ? I already know about The dad...
So you are saying guy's like Josh Hansen do not get rides atleast partially because of their last name ?

I already know about The dad not being a good guy but you can't take away the fact he was a baddass rider and people will know it's in his kids gene's.
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It is all in good fun bud, and I get what you're saying about this topic but I truly wish you or anybody discrediting the 37 riders behind Dowd had had a chance to ride the other 11 or so tracks and then this one, it is unique and one of a kind and can make the factory of factory riders look stupid sometimes.....





As far as Craig or Hanson... no matter who daddy is, teams aren't just going to give rides out because of your last name. Even though Hanson may not have panned out, the right people saw the talent as we all do, and as he showed at X games (and tying for a SX championship). In this sport a name can help or hurt you...... something to consider. People on this very board think because Christian pulled off at Unadilla he is like pops (the apple doesn't fall far from the tree)... Is that right? Nope. In this case, the name before you can actual hurt you and make you have to work harder and overcome the image your father created to fans and teams alike......... bud, I have been in discussions where the last name "craig" could have hurt this kid. true story, and I am really sad it was that way, I was truly the biggest Mike Craig fan ever.
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88sdad 8/29/2009 9:11pm
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It don't matter if Southwick is his home track and that he always rides great there. The guy is44 years old, and this is nothing short...
It don't matter if Southwick is his home track and that he always rides great there.

The guy is44 years old, and this is nothing short of amazing.
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Absolutely!!! You're right it is amazing. But there is no coincidence that he chose THIS race to race. Southwick is one in its own a "specialty"...
Absolutely!!! You're right it is amazing. But there is no coincidence that he chose THIS race to race.

Southwick is one in its own a "specialty" track if you will and he is truly a specialist at this race.
OK, If 44 y/o isn't old enough, lets say he does this again when he's 50.

Will you give him more credit then him just being a specialist at Southwick?



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88sdad wrote:
It don't matter if Southwick is his home track and that he always rides great there. The guy is44 years old, and this is nothing short...
It don't matter if Southwick is his home track and that he always rides great there.

The guy is44 years old, and this is nothing short of amazing.
Regis wrote:
Absolutely!!! You're right it is amazing. But there is no coincidence that he chose THIS race to race. Southwick is one in its own a "specialty"...
Absolutely!!! You're right it is amazing. But there is no coincidence that he chose THIS race to race.

Southwick is one in its own a "specialty" track if you will and he is truly a specialist at this race.
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OK, If 44 y/o isn't old enough, lets say he does this again when he's 50. Will you give him more credit then him just being...
OK, If 44 y/o isn't old enough, lets say he does this again when he's 50.

Will you give him more credit then him just being a specialist at Southwick?



I will give him the credit he deserves and in this sport 44 years old is older than the dirt they race on!!!!. Credit is due to the man, he is indeed "The man" especialyy this weekend.



please don't twist what I am saying. I get in this argument every year when JYD does this.



here it is- JYD is the man and he is an animal, BUT he choses this race and does good at this race every time he enters because it is a specialty track. I am sorry to offend ANYONE but even JYD knows that and that is why he comes back and does good every year here. Where was he last weekend? or the week before? Do you think he will get third at Steel City?

Robbie Marshall? (btw- I think the kid rips but is it coincidence he had a breakout race here?)
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People might get a chance because of a name, but ultimately you can either run up front or you can't.

Racing is an equalizer like that.

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Regis 8/29/2009 9:31pm
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Nerd wrote:
People might get a chance because of a name, but ultimately you can either run up front or you can't.

Racing is an equalizer like that.
what do you know Nerd?


You thought "Supercross the movie" was going to flop from the very beginning..... Smile



Another topic here but-I agree on the name, but again, I was there, in the conversation where Christian Craigs name came up for his "chance" (before JGR- X games invite) and the relationship to Mike Craig was hurting Christian before others who saw the talent vouched for him. and trust me BIG NAMES vouched for the kids talent and got him into X games. Christians management team took a gamble on knowing X games would get him more exposure than LL's and got his name in front of the right people at the right time. unfortunetly, if Mike would have been attached with the deal, Christian would not have been at X. sad but true. and again I was the biggest Mike Craig fan ever and I hope he can get back on track.
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Nerd 8/29/2009 9:37pm
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Nerd wrote:
People might get a chance because of a name, but ultimately you can either run up front or you can't.

Racing is an equalizer like that.
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what do you know Nerd? You thought "Supercross the movie" was going to flop from the very beginning..... :) Another topic here but-I agree on the...
what do you know Nerd?


You thought "Supercross the movie" was going to flop from the very beginning..... Smile



Another topic here but-I agree on the name, but again, I was there, in the conversation where Christian Craigs name came up for his "chance" (before JGR- X games invite) and the relationship to Mike Craig was hurting Christian before others who saw the talent vouched for him. and trust me BIG NAMES vouched for the kids talent and got him into X games. Christians management team took a gamble on knowing X games would get him more exposure than LL's and got his name in front of the right people at the right time. unfortunetly, if Mike would have been attached with the deal, Christian would not have been at X. sad but true. and again I was the biggest Mike Craig fan ever and I hope he can get back on track.
I'm a regular Nostra-dumbass...

I'm objective to a fault, which means I saw it for what it was. Sorry. Smile
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Regis 8/29/2009 9:43pm
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Nerd wrote:
People might get a chance because of a name, but ultimately you can either run up front or you can't.

Racing is an equalizer like that.
Regis wrote:
what do you know Nerd? You thought "Supercross the movie" was going to flop from the very beginning..... :) Another topic here but-I agree on the...
what do you know Nerd?


You thought "Supercross the movie" was going to flop from the very beginning..... Smile



Another topic here but-I agree on the name, but again, I was there, in the conversation where Christian Craigs name came up for his "chance" (before JGR- X games invite) and the relationship to Mike Craig was hurting Christian before others who saw the talent vouched for him. and trust me BIG NAMES vouched for the kids talent and got him into X games. Christians management team took a gamble on knowing X games would get him more exposure than LL's and got his name in front of the right people at the right time. unfortunetly, if Mike would have been attached with the deal, Christian would not have been at X. sad but true. and again I was the biggest Mike Craig fan ever and I hope he can get back on track.
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I'm a regular Nostra-dumbass...

I'm objective to a fault, which means I saw it for what it was. Sorry. Smile
LMAO- if you would have seen the original script, with the original staring cast, it would have been a HIT!


hehehe.......!


sorry to get off topic!
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500guy wrote:
Byrne lost the overall to a 44 yr old man and a replacement rider. All the rest did even worse, Say what you want but that...
Byrne lost the overall to a 44 yr old man and a replacement rider.

All the rest did even worse, Say what you want but that was very lame for everyone of the guy's getting paid to race.
Actually Jay, Byrner was the only fulltime " Factory" guy to beat Dowdy in the overall.

Goerke 40
Byrne 40
Dowd 33
Hahn 30
Marshall 30

Fantastic bait though haha
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Looped Out 8/29/2009 10:19pm
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Like people have been saying all year, the level of comp this year is way down. Dowd came to Southwick out of shape and at a rip age of 44 and blew everyone away. The riders should be a shamed of themselves. Dowd is oldschool and showed what the difference is.

I loved it.
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Looped Out wrote:
Like people have been saying all year, the level of comp this year is way down. Dowd came to Southwick out of shape and at a...
Like people have been saying all year, the level of comp this year is way down. Dowd came to Southwick out of shape and at a rip age of 44 and blew everyone away. The riders should be a shamed of themselves. Dowd is oldschool and showed what the difference is.

I loved it.
OK I have to take exception to this remark.

I know that Dowd does better at Southwick than he will do anywhere else on the circuit....it is just that kind of track.

However;
Calling John Dowd "out of shape" is bullshit......the guy is a rock and in better shape than some of the guys that race full time.
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Looped Out 8/29/2009 11:06pm
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Like people have been saying all year, the level of comp this year is way down. Dowd came to Southwick out of shape and at a...
Like people have been saying all year, the level of comp this year is way down. Dowd came to Southwick out of shape and at a rip age of 44 and blew everyone away. The riders should be a shamed of themselves. Dowd is oldschool and showed what the difference is.

I loved it.
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OK I have to take exception to this remark. I know that Dowd does better at Southwick than he will do anywhere else on the circuit....it...
OK I have to take exception to this remark.

I know that Dowd does better at Southwick than he will do anywhere else on the circuit....it is just that kind of track.

However;
Calling John Dowd "out of shape" is bullshit......the guy is a rock and in better shape than some of the guys that race full time.
I didn't mean it like it sounded or like I wrote it. My comment came from what Erin Bates was saying John Dowd was saying to her. Didn't mean he was tired type of out of shape, just saying "old" out of shape. Sorry, I love Dowdy.
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All anyone needs to know about Dowd and Southwick you know by looking at last year's results. Dowd showed up at Unadilla and went 19-33 for 27th overall.

Then, only a month later (and three rounds later), he went 9-5 for sixth overall at Southwick.

That's the story. Very simple.
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jndmx 8/29/2009 11:23pm
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Looped Out wrote:
Like people have been saying all year, the level of comp this year is way down. Dowd came to Southwick out of shape and at a...
Like people have been saying all year, the level of comp this year is way down. Dowd came to Southwick out of shape and at a rip age of 44 and blew everyone away. The riders should be a shamed of themselves. Dowd is oldschool and showed what the difference is.

I loved it.
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OK I have to take exception to this remark. I know that Dowd does better at Southwick than he will do anywhere else on the circuit....it...
OK I have to take exception to this remark.

I know that Dowd does better at Southwick than he will do anywhere else on the circuit....it is just that kind of track.

However;
Calling John Dowd "out of shape" is bullshit......the guy is a rock and in better shape than some of the guys that race full time.
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I didn't mean it like it sounded or like I wrote it. My comment came from what Erin Bates was saying John Dowd was saying to...
I didn't mean it like it sounded or like I wrote it. My comment came from what Erin Bates was saying John Dowd was saying to her. Didn't mean he was tired type of out of shape, just saying "old" out of shape. Sorry, I love Dowdy.
No sweat man.

No arguments by the way on the whole "home track advantage".

Believe me I know that Dowdy is almost certainly not going to go to another round and podium but damn it is nice watching him do it at home.
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FIREfish148 8/29/2009 11:54pm
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Dowdy is a sav-v dude. I bet he can even kick kimbo slice's ass.Huh
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He tied for the overall on the day. And John Dowd isn't just "an old man". He's a bad man at Southwick. He went 9-5 last...
He tied for the overall on the day.

And John Dowd isn't just "an old man". He's a bad man at Southwick.

He went 9-5 last year for sixth with bad starts. He hasn't finished a moto outside the top 10 at Southwick since he retired, and in 2005, at 40 years old, he went 3-3 behind RC and Reed here.

He beat all but two guys today, so I guess by your standard, all of them should be out of the running for a factory ride, huh?
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You win, I'm done. You so smart we so dumb , sorry massa
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jay is right...most of these pooseys racing today wouldn't last a fucking minute over 40 in a 45. that is a fact. there are a few...
jay is right...most of these pooseys racing today wouldn't last a fucking minute over 40 in a 45. that is a fact.

there are a few badass's...there are a few more fuckass's. look around...tedesco blows ass...short needs to grow some balls. hill needs to quit quitting, hepler needs...well fuck who knows what he needs.

sure these guys..all these guys racing are great...to a fat fuck like me and jay but to the sport many are a fucking disgrace..jlaw leads the fucking sorry ass pack. i might add.

i love motocross none the less
the 450 class is a joke and has been for quite a long time.
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500guy you dont know shit.
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Reminds me of the old Jody's boxes with good old crazy Dave, just beating up on the factory guys again down at Chicken Licks Raceway.

Good for John.

That Robbie Marshall made all the factory guys except 2 look pretty stupid for 35+1 in the first moto. Even 5th is a great result, but there's another Southwick local who was almost on the podium.
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RuFfRyDaH 8/30/2009 12:51am
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maybe its, that southwick is a different track, not like the other ones that are all disked deep and pretty equal soilwise...

i think unadilla and southwick are the real different ones and show if a rider is good at all or just disked tracks

btw. good job to dowd and goerke

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Shimokitazawa 8/30/2009 12:59am
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could dowd podium or even get a top 10 at glen helen


lostboy819 8/30/2009 1:46am
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I think Byrne has been doing great this season and im glad to see it. No shame in getting beat by Dowd at any track even if he is 44 the guys a muntant and I bet his voice didnt change and start shaving untill he was in his mid 30s.
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Darren@sx 8/30/2009 2:17am
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I dont see dowds name in for the MXdN, I do however see Byrnes.
The Aussies have a great chance of winning it this year...
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500guy wrote:
You win, I'm done. You so smart we so dumb , sorry massa
BobbyM wrote:
jay is right...most of these pooseys racing today wouldn't last a fucking minute over 40 in a 45. that is a fact. there are a few...
jay is right...most of these pooseys racing today wouldn't last a fucking minute over 40 in a 45. that is a fact.

there are a few badass's...there are a few more fuckass's. look around...tedesco blows ass...short needs to grow some balls. hill needs to quit quitting, hepler needs...well fuck who knows what he needs.

sure these guys..all these guys racing are great...to a fat fuck like me and jay but to the sport many are a fucking disgrace..jlaw leads the fucking sorry ass pack. i might add.

i love motocross none the less
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Here we go again, Jay and Bobby talking about the "good ol days." YawnWink
Doesn't totally have to do with the good old days... As recent as a few years back it was a different sport. Different work ethic, different management, different upbringing, not sure???? I was at Unadilla this year and for the first time in 25+ years of attending national and GP events I left without being WOWED. There is a complete lack of intensity in the 450 class right now. I know the field isn't what it should have been die to injury but other than Regal and a few other three digits looking to get points, nobody was riding the edge of the envelope. All of this is just my 2¢ and I realize I couldn’t hold a candle to their boot straps. It was way boring to see everyone ride well within their comfort zones and be content not pushing for the lead. Maybe this economy will force som no salary performance based only payouts from teams and this will light some fires? Who knows...

BTW Cudos for Dowdy! Podium at 44, now that is WOWING!
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Darren@sx wrote:
I dont see dowds name in for the MXdN, I do however see Byrnes.
The Aussies have a great chance of winning it this year...
Not sure if the MXdN is a sand track this year? If it is maybe Dowdy should go... Smile
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Darren@sx 8/30/2009 5:13am
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Darren@sx wrote:
I dont see dowds name in for the MXdN, I do however see Byrnes.
The Aussies have a great chance of winning it this year...
Shocker wrote:
Not sure if the MXdN is a sand track this year? If it is maybe Dowdy should go... Smile
Its more like an SX track
Look at the latest reports here.. http://www.motocrossactionmag.com/ME2/dirmod.asp?sid=&nm=&type=news&mod…
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Huckster 8/30/2009 5:24am
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Nerd wrote:
All anyone needs to know about Dowd and Southwick you know by looking at last year's results. Dowd showed up at Unadilla and went 19-33 for...
All anyone needs to know about Dowd and Southwick you know by looking at last year's results. Dowd showed up at Unadilla and went 19-33 for 27th overall.

Then, only a month later (and three rounds later), he went 9-5 for sixth overall at Southwick.

That's the story. Very simple.
Yes, he may be considered a "southwick specialist" now that he is in his 40's but lets not forget the guy ran up front and won at different tracks during his career. John Dowd is a very talented motocross rider, regardless of his age. He won both a Lites SX title and a 250 SX race. He also was runner up several times in the Outdoor Nationals.

To discredit his accomplishment this weekend is very disrespectfull of his talent. To get beat by him is nothing to be embarrassed by.
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petegrath 8/30/2009 5:38am
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I don't think I've ever seen someone with a bigger smile on the podium!

I personally loved it. At least he's racing for the love of racing. So for that alone I thought it was awesome.
killerdwarf 8/30/2009 5:56am
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44 yrs. old and able to ride a 45 minute moto at the front of the pack is simply amazing. Doing it at a pro level, and in the sand is fucking astonishing! GREAT JOB JYD!
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swizcore 8/30/2009 6:05am
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Shimokitazawa wrote:
could dowd podium or even get a top 10 at glen helen


I doubt it, that's why Jays point of this thread is moot.


Dowd podium'd at the track he's been riding his whole life. He's been preparing for this race on this track.


Its a great single instance story. No need to conjure up some drama over it.


Its not like Dowd just got back on a bike for the first time since he retired. Shit, he's THE JUNKYARD DOG; he amazed the industry when he signed his first factory ride at his "advanced" age. We're not talking about a normal "old" guy here.
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I can run with the fast guys here at my place when I go to Aztec I am lucky to top ten.


I will be 44 next week. Go Dowd!!!
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Motodude 8/30/2009 6:43am
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500guy wrote:
Yup there's a Factory ride for someone in the future.

Just not him
What sort of bullshit topic heading is this Jay???

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