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APLMAN99 11/3/2022 6:33am
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swordfish wrote:
https://youtu.be/d4yt16j-Ah8
You have interesting sources of information.

Isn’t this the guy who ripped off people in a phony rental property scam and then moved to Portugal to avoid the lawsuits?!?!

Yeah, seems trustworthy……
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7I3N 11/3/2022 7:11am
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APLMAN99 wrote:
You have interesting sources of information. Isn’t this the guy who ripped off people in a phony rental property scam and then moved to Portugal to...
You have interesting sources of information.

Isn’t this the guy who ripped off people in a phony rental property scam and then moved to Portugal to avoid the lawsuits?!?!

Yeah, seems trustworthy……

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swordfish 11/3/2022 7:38am
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swordfish wrote:
https://youtu.be/d4yt16j-Ah8
APLMAN99 wrote:
You have interesting sources of information. Isn’t this the guy who ripped off people in a phony rental property scam and then moved to Portugal to...
You have interesting sources of information.

Isn’t this the guy who ripped off people in a phony rental property scam and then moved to Portugal to avoid the lawsuits?!?!

Yeah, seems trustworthy……
I’d be curious to know the amount of people in Non Moto that would love to spend a day in your head to comprehend the scale of delusion and rationalization that occurs up there in the run of 24 hours.
Do you think we look up to you as the social arbiter of trusted sources?
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colintrax 11/3/2022 7:46am
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Now the US has boots on the ground in Ukraine. First inspectors, then no doubt “advisors”. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna54891 Russia is sending US trained Afghans to Ukraine now...
Now the US has boots on the ground in Ukraine.
First inspectors, then no doubt “advisors”.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna54891

Russia is sending US trained Afghans to Ukraine now reportedly.

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2022/11/1/russia-recruiting-us-train…
Here's the official transcript of that conversation

https://www.defense.gov/News/Transcripts/Transcript/Article/3206756/pen…

It's a no win situation with people like you. Send people in to monitor weapon movement and ensure stuff is used properly at the risk of US soldiers getting killed. Or send weapons blind and take the risk they get sold off by corrupt assholes and end of on the wrong side.

Yeah we dropped the ball on Afghanistan. Those soldiers are in weird place where everyone wants to kill them. Russia is offering asylum if they go fight in Ukraine. Smart move by Putin.
Are you ok with Afghan soldiers being able to move into your neighborhood? I didn't think so. Cause you're part of the problem.
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swordfish wrote:
I’d be curious to know the amount of people in Non Moto that would love to spend a day in your head to comprehend the scale...
I’d be curious to know the amount of people in Non Moto that would love to spend a day in your head to comprehend the scale of delusion and rationalization that occurs up there in the run of 24 hours.
Do you think we look up to you as the social arbiter of trusted sources?
Lol
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swordfish 11/3/2022 7:57am
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swordfish wrote:
Now the US has boots on the ground in Ukraine. First inspectors, then no doubt “advisors”. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna54891 Russia is sending US trained Afghans to Ukraine now...
Now the US has boots on the ground in Ukraine.
First inspectors, then no doubt “advisors”.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna54891

Russia is sending US trained Afghans to Ukraine now reportedly.

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2022/11/1/russia-recruiting-us-train…
colintrax wrote:
Here's the official transcript of that conversation https://www.defense.gov/News/Transcripts/Transcript/Article/3206756/pentagon-press-secretary-air-force-brig-gen-pat-ryder-holds-an-on-camera-press/ It's a no win situation with people like you. Send people in to monitor weapon movement and ensure...
Here's the official transcript of that conversation

https://www.defense.gov/News/Transcripts/Transcript/Article/3206756/pen…

It's a no win situation with people like you. Send people in to monitor weapon movement and ensure stuff is used properly at the risk of US soldiers getting killed. Or send weapons blind and take the risk they get sold off by corrupt assholes and end of on the wrong side.

Yeah we dropped the ball on Afghanistan. Those soldiers are in weird place where everyone wants to kill them. Russia is offering asylum if they go fight in Ukraine. Smart move by Putin.
Are you ok with Afghan soldiers being able to move into your neighborhood? I didn't think so. Cause you're part of the problem.
I guess you are missing the part where I’m posting links to news sources, not expressing my opinion. No where am I taking sides. I think it’s more like people like me can’t win because everything we post is viewed by people like you as partisan or pushing a narrative
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swordfish 11/3/2022 7:58am
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swordfish wrote:
I’d be curious to know the amount of people in Non Moto that would love to spend a day in your head to comprehend the scale...
I’d be curious to know the amount of people in Non Moto that would love to spend a day in your head to comprehend the scale of delusion and rationalization that occurs up there in the run of 24 hours.
Do you think we look up to you as the social arbiter of trusted sources?
early wrote:
Lol [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/11/03/575551/s1200_Screenshot_20221103_104640.jpg[/img]
Lol
You’re really reaching there and drawing conclusions.
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APLMAN99 11/3/2022 8:04am
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APLMAN99 wrote:
You have interesting sources of information. Isn’t this the guy who ripped off people in a phony rental property scam and then moved to Portugal to...
You have interesting sources of information.

Isn’t this the guy who ripped off people in a phony rental property scam and then moved to Portugal to avoid the lawsuits?!?!

Yeah, seems trustworthy……
7I3N wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/11/03/575548/s1200_messenger_season.jpg[/img]

I’m pretty sure that irony is lost on you since you constantly harp on news sources that don’t echo your views as dishonest…..
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colintrax 11/3/2022 8:18am
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swordfish wrote:
I guess you are missing the part where I’m posting links to news sources, not expressing my opinion. No where am I taking sides. I think...
I guess you are missing the part where I’m posting links to news sources, not expressing my opinion. No where am I taking sides. I think it’s more like people like me can’t win because everything we post is viewed by people like you as partisan or pushing a narrative
"First inspectors, then no doubt “advisors”."

Sounds like an opinion to me. Your narrative is well known. And I dont respect it.

Btw periods go inside quotation marks.
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swordfish 11/3/2022 8:21am
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APLMAN99 wrote:
You have interesting sources of information. Isn’t this the guy who ripped off people in a phony rental property scam and then moved to Portugal to...
You have interesting sources of information.

Isn’t this the guy who ripped off people in a phony rental property scam and then moved to Portugal to avoid the lawsuits?!?!

Yeah, seems trustworthy……
7I3N wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/11/03/575548/s1200_messenger_season.jpg[/img]

APLMAN99 wrote:
I’m pretty sure that irony is lost on you since you constantly harp on news sources that don’t echo your views as dishonest…..
Oh no, I see the attempted display of irony. It just wasn’t a great example. I didn’t go on a diatribe about shady dealings or questionable ethics relating to accuracy in reporting. I made a casual comment based on an observation that many people questioned the Kiel institute and posted breakdowns on the inaccuracy of the stats in that graphic along with many others.
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APLMAN99 11/3/2022 8:23am
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7I3N wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/11/03/575548/s1200_messenger_season.jpg[/img]

APLMAN99 wrote:
I’m pretty sure that irony is lost on you since you constantly harp on news sources that don’t echo your views as dishonest…..
swordfish wrote:
Oh no, I see the attempted display of irony. It just wasn’t a great example. I didn’t go on a diatribe about shady dealings or questionable...
Oh no, I see the attempted display of irony. It just wasn’t a great example. I didn’t go on a diatribe about shady dealings or questionable ethics relating to accuracy in reporting. I made a casual comment based on an observation that many people questioned the Kiel institute and posted breakdowns on the inaccuracy of the stats in that graphic along with many others.
Are you Neil now?
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swordfish 11/3/2022 8:23am
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I think you’d have a better case on the rationalization aspect of my last comment if you’re looking to point something out.
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swordfish 11/3/2022 8:26am
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swordfish wrote:
I guess you are missing the part where I’m posting links to news sources, not expressing my opinion. No where am I taking sides. I think...
I guess you are missing the part where I’m posting links to news sources, not expressing my opinion. No where am I taking sides. I think it’s more like people like me can’t win because everything we post is viewed by people like you as partisan or pushing a narrative
colintrax wrote:
"First inspectors, then no doubt “advisors”." Sounds like an opinion to me. Your narrative is well known. And I dont respect it. Btw periods go inside...
"First inspectors, then no doubt “advisors”."

Sounds like an opinion to me. Your narrative is well known. And I dont respect it.

Btw periods go inside quotation marks.
Thanks for the Pro tip. More of an assumption based on history, not an opinion per se.
I’m not concerned with your personal feelings. Pretty irrelevant to the topic.
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early 11/3/2022 8:30am
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swordfish wrote:
You guys who think Russia is just gonna roll into NATO countries really are out of touch. Big difference between Russia trying to push regime change...
You guys who think Russia is just gonna roll into NATO countries really are out of touch. Big difference between Russia trying to push regime change or annex part of Ukraine and invading NATO partner countries.
The most cohesive argument Russia has made for invading Ukraine is that Russia doesn't want NATO and the West's influence pushed closer to Russian borders via Ukraine. Why should anyone think that sentiment would stop at Ukrainian borders if Russia was successful there? History tells us differently.

2014 Russia rolled into Crimea
2022 Russia tried to roll into Kiev
2030 ????
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swordfish 11/3/2022 8:44am
11/3/2022 8:44am
swordfish wrote:
You guys who think Russia is just gonna roll into NATO countries really are out of touch. Big difference between Russia trying to push regime change...
You guys who think Russia is just gonna roll into NATO countries really are out of touch. Big difference between Russia trying to push regime change or annex part of Ukraine and invading NATO partner countries.
early wrote:
The most cohesive argument Russia has made for invading Ukraine is that Russia doesn't want NATO and the West's influence pushed closer to Russian borders via...
The most cohesive argument Russia has made for invading Ukraine is that Russia doesn't want NATO and the West's influence pushed closer to Russian borders via Ukraine. Why should anyone think that sentiment would stop at Ukrainian borders if Russia was successful there? History tells us differently.

2014 Russia rolled into Crimea
2022 Russia tried to roll into Kiev
2030 ????
Would be a much better argument if the regions you listed were NATO members. I think that’s a pretty important detail.
Maybe Moldova is next?
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APLMAN99 11/3/2022 9:10am
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swordfish wrote:
https://youtu.be/d4yt16j-Ah8
APLMAN99 wrote:
You have interesting sources of information. Isn’t this the guy who ripped off people in a phony rental property scam and then moved to Portugal to...
You have interesting sources of information.

Isn’t this the guy who ripped off people in a phony rental property scam and then moved to Portugal to avoid the lawsuits?!?!

Yeah, seems trustworthy……
swordfish wrote:
I’d be curious to know the amount of people in Non Moto that would love to spend a day in your head to comprehend the scale...
I’d be curious to know the amount of people in Non Moto that would love to spend a day in your head to comprehend the scale of delusion and rationalization that occurs up there in the run of 24 hours.
Do you think we look up to you as the social arbiter of trusted sources?
I'm not concerned with whether you look up to me or not. Doesn't even register on my radar.
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early 11/3/2022 10:10am
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swordfish wrote:
You guys who think Russia is just gonna roll into NATO countries really are out of touch. Big difference between Russia trying to push regime change...
You guys who think Russia is just gonna roll into NATO countries really are out of touch. Big difference between Russia trying to push regime change or annex part of Ukraine and invading NATO partner countries.
early wrote:
The most cohesive argument Russia has made for invading Ukraine is that Russia doesn't want NATO and the West's influence pushed closer to Russian borders via...
The most cohesive argument Russia has made for invading Ukraine is that Russia doesn't want NATO and the West's influence pushed closer to Russian borders via Ukraine. Why should anyone think that sentiment would stop at Ukrainian borders if Russia was successful there? History tells us differently.

2014 Russia rolled into Crimea
2022 Russia tried to roll into Kiev
2030 ????
swordfish wrote:
Would be a much better argument if the regions you listed were NATO members. I think that’s a pretty important detail.
Maybe Moldova is next?
This argument hinges on the degree to which you belivieve Russia has or has not attempted to undermine NATO and other western alliances in the recent past through non-combative measures.
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APLMAN99 11/3/2022 10:42am
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SEEMEFIRST wrote:
And it will probably sound like this...
https://youtu.be/N60WtGC4ejo
I can't imagine how bad that would sound if you are on the receiving end of it's love taps......

Nor can I fully imagine how great it would sound if that were your backup coming to save the day!!!!!!
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swordfish 11/3/2022 10:46am
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early wrote:
The most cohesive argument Russia has made for invading Ukraine is that Russia doesn't want NATO and the West's influence pushed closer to Russian borders via...
The most cohesive argument Russia has made for invading Ukraine is that Russia doesn't want NATO and the West's influence pushed closer to Russian borders via Ukraine. Why should anyone think that sentiment would stop at Ukrainian borders if Russia was successful there? History tells us differently.

2014 Russia rolled into Crimea
2022 Russia tried to roll into Kiev
2030 ????
swordfish wrote:
Would be a much better argument if the regions you listed were NATO members. I think that’s a pretty important detail.
Maybe Moldova is next?
early wrote:
This argument hinges on the degree to which you belivieve Russia has or has not attempted to undermine NATO and other western alliances in the recent...
This argument hinges on the degree to which you belivieve Russia has or has not attempted to undermine NATO and other western alliances in the recent past through non-combative measures.
I would say most major powers are trying to undermine other non aligned ally countries, some even ally countries. I just don’t see Russia invading a NATO country. I could see possible Russian strikes against a NATO country, especially if that country was a staging area for aggression against them. Like for instance if NATO or the EU stage troops in Western Ukraine from Poland.
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LungButter 11/3/2022 10:47am
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TLDR

Did you guys finally run off Kongols from posting here?
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swordfish wrote:
I would say most major powers are trying to undermine other non aligned ally countries, some even ally countries. I just don’t see Russia invading a...
I would say most major powers are trying to undermine other non aligned ally countries, some even ally countries. I just don’t see Russia invading a NATO country. I could see possible Russian strikes against a NATO country, especially if that country was a staging area for aggression against them. Like for instance if NATO or the EU stage troops in Western Ukraine from Poland.
That's fair, unfortunately I think we are at the beginning of a time when just about everything is on the table for many players.
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IanMac138 11/3/2022 11:08am
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Great FRONTLINE episode diving into Putin's mindset, rise to power and authoritarianism and the road to invading Ukraine. Long story short...master manipulator with a passionate hatred of Democracy. Worth the watch. 55min.

FRONTLINE - Putin's Road to War
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swordfish 11/3/2022 11:29am
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swordfish wrote:
I would say most major powers are trying to undermine other non aligned ally countries, some even ally countries. I just don’t see Russia invading a...
I would say most major powers are trying to undermine other non aligned ally countries, some even ally countries. I just don’t see Russia invading a NATO country. I could see possible Russian strikes against a NATO country, especially if that country was a staging area for aggression against them. Like for instance if NATO or the EU stage troops in Western Ukraine from Poland.
early wrote:
That's fair, unfortunately I think we are at the beginning of a time when just about everything is on the table for many players.
Agreed.
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7I3N 11/3/2022 4:56pm
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APLMAN99 wrote:
You have interesting sources of information. Isn’t this the guy who ripped off people in a phony rental property scam and then moved to Portugal to...
You have interesting sources of information.

Isn’t this the guy who ripped off people in a phony rental property scam and then moved to Portugal to avoid the lawsuits?!?!

Yeah, seems trustworthy……
7I3N wrote:
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APLMAN99 wrote:
I’m pretty sure that irony is lost on you since you constantly harp on news sources that don’t echo your views as dishonest…..
Your constant use of the “kill the messenger” fallacy is getting old. It’s a cheap trick that lets you avoid having to actually debate an issue you disagree with but can’t refute. If you want to discuss the contents of the video like adults, let me know.
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Fast Forward 270 11/3/2022 6:03pm
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swordfish wrote:
https://youtu.be/d4yt16j-Ah8
APLMAN99 wrote:
You have interesting sources of information. Isn’t this the guy who ripped off people in a phony rental property scam and then moved to Portugal to...
You have interesting sources of information.

Isn’t this the guy who ripped off people in a phony rental property scam and then moved to Portugal to avoid the lawsuits?!?!

Yeah, seems trustworthy……
swordfish wrote:
I’d be curious to know the amount of people in Non Moto that would love to spend a day in your head to comprehend the scale...
I’d be curious to know the amount of people in Non Moto that would love to spend a day in your head to comprehend the scale of delusion and rationalization that occurs up there in the run of 24 hours.
Do you think we look up to you as the social arbiter of trusted sources?
I'm in non-moto, and honestly, I think you are a fucking moron on most. . . .(hold on), no, all your posts.
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-MAVERICK- 11/3/2022 6:14pm
11/3/2022 6:14pm Edited Date/Time 11/3/2022 6:51pm
The Fifth Estate: Investigating War Crimes In Ukraine

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Even as war in Ukraine continues to rage, in villages where Russian soldiers have retreated, war crimes investigators have moved in. The Fifth Estate shows you some of what’s been discovered, and reveals what happened when some Russian soldiers who’d left were tracked down by journalists, including a surprising confession.

About 45 minutes long.

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7I3N 11/3/2022 6:42pm
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I'm in non-moto, and honestly, I think you are a fucking moron on most. . . .(hold on), no, all your posts.
You don't contribute much around here. 90 percent of your posts are just insults.
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Fast Forward 270 11/3/2022 6:52pm
11/3/2022 6:52pm
Fast Forward 270 wrote:
I'm in non-moto, and honestly, I think you are a fucking moron on most. . . .(hold on), no, all your posts.
7I3N wrote:
You don't contribute much around here. 90 percent of your posts are just insults.
I used to come here for entertainment. Now it's just sad.
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Jeff Roberts 11/3/2022 6:59pm
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Fast Forward 270 wrote:
I used to come here for entertainment. Now it's just sad.
Gosh, we are so sorry we couldn’t live up to your standards. Perhaps barneythedinosaur.com would be more befitting of a man of your status?
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