Desalle on AMA v GP

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Edited Date/Time 1/26/2012 6:16pm
Desalle - "The speed is similar, not so many riders go fast there, in the World Championship it's strong until the top ten, there (America) it's more like top five is fast, but after that it isn't that strong. My bike there was stock, I just got the frame, then the engine came later and I had to work with my father on the Friday to fix everything. My bike there was just stock and it wasn't anything like my bike at the Grand Prix's. I was close to Reed, my speed was good.”

Which is pretty much what I and others have been saying for a while...
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DirtyFilter75 8/20/2009 8:45am
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Yeah OK so sign a contract in America and show us some results.
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P 8/20/2009 8:48am
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JS, RV, MA, JG all out and Ferry just returning. I'd say that the top 10 are pretty fast normally.


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peelout719 8/20/2009 9:09am
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sorry but his speed was close to reed?

then how the f did reed go from outside 12 seconds from the lead to running those guys down and ditching them with 2 laps to go and desalle was in 7th?

the dude is a great rider no doubt, and obviously, it's all he said she said. but what i saw was reed kicking everyones asses at washougal and desalle finishing a very respectable 7th, nowhere near reed.

the end.
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swizcore 8/20/2009 9:38am
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His reality is a tad skewed.

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GuyB 8/20/2009 9:54am
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swizcore wrote:
His reality is a tad skewed.
I'm sure his reality is as he saw it on that weekend. And P, JG was in the lineup that weekend.

He's not joking about putting the bike together. A lot of it came in Tupperware tubs.

The biggest difference I saw? How differently he rode compared to the U.S. guys. His bike was somewhere extremely low in the rev range, while our guys like to run it at the rev limiter.
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ehr400 8/20/2009 9:55am
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Who is he again? He barely makes the top 10 when most of the top ten guys are hurt or not running the nationals. Gaurantee he wouldn't crack the top 10 or top 15 in the 250f class.
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mccread 8/20/2009 9:55am
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peelout719 wrote:
sorry but his speed was close to reed? then how the f did reed go from outside 12 seconds from the lead to running those guys...
sorry but his speed was close to reed?

then how the f did reed go from outside 12 seconds from the lead to running those guys down and ditching them with 2 laps to go and desalle was in 7th?

the dude is a great rider no doubt, and obviously, it's all he said she said. but what i saw was reed kicking everyones asses at washougal and desalle finishing a very respectable 7th, nowhere near reed.

the end.
That didnt happen Desalle got taken out in race 2. I believe he was talking about the first race.

I think Desalle would have a better idea of the speed and any armchair American motocross watching only fans.

And there have been at least 5 injuries in the GPs this year too... Barragan, De Reuver, Pourcel, Strijbos, MAckenzie, Mellote, Ramon, even DV...

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swizcore wrote:
His reality is a tad skewed.
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I'm sure his reality is as he saw it on that weekend. And P, JG was in the lineup that weekend. He's not joking about putting...
I'm sure his reality is as he saw it on that weekend. And P, JG was in the lineup that weekend.

He's not joking about putting the bike together. A lot of it came in Tupperware tubs.

The biggest difference I saw? How differently he rode compared to the U.S. guys. His bike was somewhere extremely low in the rev range, while our guys like to run it at the rev limiter.
Sorry about the JG deal. Just throw RC in instead.Wink Smile


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mccread 8/20/2009 9:58am
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ehr400 wrote:
Who is he again? He barely makes the top 10 when most of the top ten guys are hurt or not running the nationals. Gaurantee he...
Who is he again? He barely makes the top 10 when most of the top ten guys are hurt or not running the nationals. Gaurantee he wouldn't crack the top 10 or top 15 in the 250f class.
he got 3rd on a stock bike in race and was fastest in the first practice session.... again your ignorance of non AMA based riders is exposed... stop being blinded by patriotic arrogance and look at the facts. Fast is fast. GPs or AMA the top riders will be top riders in either series the GPs just have a bit more depth right now...
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Adam43 8/20/2009 10:09am
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You guys have to lend some credibility to it....Desalle has raced both this year and is as qualified as anyone to offer his opinion.

He was awesome in one moto and gave up and quit in the second.

The field at Washougal was definitely depleted somewhat by injuries, but the GPs have been cut down pretty bad this year in that department as well.
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Butters 8/20/2009 10:16am
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I love you, McCread.
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peelout719 8/20/2009 10:17am
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sorry McCread, but desalle's 7th in moto one was not close to reed. it was close to 6th and close to 8th.

not doubting his ability or his speed, just his judgment in saying he was close to reed. armchair racing nothing, i will call a spade a spade. tommy hahn was close to reed, clement desalle was nowhere near him.
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GuyB 8/20/2009 10:23am
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P wrote:
Sorry about the JG deal. Just throw RC in instead.Wink Smile


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Ryan Clark? He doesn't ride in that class.

mccread, there are fast guys on both sides of the pond. That's why we have one race every year to check out the fast guys from each country, in one place at one time. It's coming up in October in Italy. You should check it out.
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GuyB 8/20/2009 10:33am
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Here's a quote from Gareth Swanepoel after last weekend. (You can check out more from him in a bit.)

"I'd say here the guys are fast, they definitely go fast straight away, but nowadays, especially in MX1, it's stacked. You've got guys who are winning Grand Prixs one weekend who are finishing ninth the next. Anyone can win there."
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ehr400 8/20/2009 10:33am
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Ignorance? I am sorry you guys have limited talent and gene pool on your island. Like the other guy said, 7th is close to 8th and 6th not 1st. Also how many GP's has he won, major accomplishments? Your EU patriotic ignorance is very obvious. Like Guy B said, we will see how everyone does in a few months in europe. Also what about De Ruever? He is suppose to be a sand expert? Tried to keep up with Stewart last year and got smoked first moto and no energy in the second. Eat it you limey.
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GuyB 8/20/2009 10:35am
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I think Desalle just won his first GP recently. He's definitely on his way up.
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ehr400 8/20/2009 10:38am
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Sorry you are right he won a moto. Doesn't matter, weak fields right now on both sides of the pond, alot of injuries. I still don't think he is champion material.

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peelout719 wrote:
sorry McCread, but desalle's 7th in moto one was not close to reed. it was close to 6th and close to 8th. not doubting his ability...
sorry McCread, but desalle's 7th in moto one was not close to reed. it was close to 6th and close to 8th.

not doubting his ability or his speed, just his judgment in saying he was close to reed. armchair racing nothing, i will call a spade a spade. tommy hahn was close to reed, clement desalle was nowhere near him.
Except that he got 3rd in the first moto. Not 7th. And he actually was fairly close to Reed.
neverwas 8/20/2009 10:42am
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Mccread, why are you so desperate to have us see it your way?
We get it you love the World Championship; I can always count on your post to say the same thing over and over again.
Some guys here on Vital don’t give a shit about the GP’s
Deal with it.
I have been to Europe and been to a few World rounds and had a blast.
I love the GP’s and think the speed of both series is similar.
So please give it a rest. Wee know where your coming from already
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Sorry you are right he won a moto. Doesn't matter, weak fields right now on both sides of the pond, alot of injuries. I still don't...
Sorry you are right he won a moto. Doesn't matter, weak fields right now on both sides of the pond, alot of injuries. I still don't think he is champion material.
He also got the overall.
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ehr400 8/20/2009 10:46am
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Good for him.
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ayearinmx 8/20/2009 10:46am
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peelout.... i don't know where you are getting this 7th place from, but Desalle finished 3rd in moto one at washougal


which was pretty damn impressive
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GuyB 8/20/2009 10:51am
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I'm not sure what I'm more impressed by. When guys show up and go fast for one moto, or do like Gareth Swanepoel did last weekend, and go 7-6.
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ehr400 8/20/2009 10:52am
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Hey I met you at Steel City in '07 on your tour.
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ehr400 8/20/2009 10:53am
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I agree there GuyB. However I saw him at the MXDN in '07 and he barely made it thru his qualifiers.
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peelout719 8/20/2009 10:53am
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yep, my bad on the 7th. it was 3rd. 18 seconds back.
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ayearinmx 8/20/2009 10:56am
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both equally impressive

of course, some people aren't allowed to appreciate it... for some dumb reason
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i appreciate it very well. but when was the last time Ricky beat Reed by 18 seconds and people considered Reed close? his 3rd is very impressive, however, like stated earlier there are about 5 or 6 guys that were injured that would have been up there.

i like desalle and wish he would have done better in the second moto so he could have some tv time. i missed the live moto online... so i didn't get to see him really. can't wait for the MXdN Smile
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swizcore 8/20/2009 11:14am
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swizcore wrote:
His reality is a tad skewed.
GuyB wrote:
I'm sure his reality is as he saw it on that weekend. And P, JG was in the lineup that weekend. He's not joking about putting...
I'm sure his reality is as he saw it on that weekend. And P, JG was in the lineup that weekend.

He's not joking about putting the bike together. A lot of it came in Tupperware tubs.

The biggest difference I saw? How differently he rode compared to the U.S. guys. His bike was somewhere extremely low in the rev range, while our guys like to run it at the rev limiter.
I was referring to the reality being skewed due to some of the fastest guys not being around. But your right he only knows what he faced so that's no fault of his. I like the guy, it was good to see a new fast guy in the mix.

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