Another Matthes gem - Alessi

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i just want to get in on the biggest thread in moto history.

that's all.
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8/12/2009 10:31am Edited Date/Time 8/12/2009 10:32am
FLvet wrote:
BTW who's gonna tell Bauer he's not part of WWR?
Bauer is the founder and part-owner of WWR.

You sure? Check with the Hog.
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Sorry my spelling is not that great, I am a CPA, numbers are my specialty, not these word thingys. The good news from the Alessi camp...
Sorry my spelling is not that great, I am a CPA, numbers are my specialty, not these word thingys.

The good news from the Alessi camp is that Mike will be at 100% before the start of SX season. They decided to go full term with the recovery this round, and he will have plenty of time to practice before season starts.

So no matter what steed he will be piloting (and he does have several bike options, apparently he has not "burned" through as many brands as Matthes indicated), he will be ready to charge full speed!
There is a big difference between riding for a Factory Team and "bike options".

So is it going to be Alessi camp racing or ?

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8/12/2009 10:48am

Grendel - great summary.

Iampkrfn - you might be just a bit off in this progression of a young athlete. In many situations, there is no point where the parents just "steps back". Depending on the age/maturity of the kid, that process may take many years. In some cases, the families work together for a very long time, even throughout the entire career of the athlete.

Just because the parent stays involved, does not mean they are always evil. Depending on the sport, being successful; requires the efforts of many, and not all athletes are capable of managing all these relationships. So in many cases, several family members are involved in their careers. They are not all in it for just the money, and they usually care a great deal about the well being of their kids.

So first of all, the parents have to stay involved until the kid is 18 (most states). Then they usually stay involved to some degree until they either feel their kid has the right team of professionals, or in some cases, they stay involved until the kid says he is ready to handle things on their own. It’s rare any kid these days makes it to the professional level without the huge dedication of his/her family. And it’s pretty rare you see a professional athlete remain successful and financially well off through retirement without family support all along the way.

Tony does not make Mike get up every morning to train to win. Mike has to do that himself, every day he is able to. But Mike is able to focus on training and winning because he has great family support that allows him this focus. If Tony were to really “step back”, Mike would be responsible for managing the many tracks/facilities, the business professionals (accountants, attorneys, PR agents, risk/financial planners, etc), the support workforce (drivers, mechanics, track workers, admin staff, etc) and many other aspects of the business of MX/SX.

Where Matthes may need to adjust his thoughts a bit…..is that Mike Alessi is still a strong product in the sport. And he stays that way because of the program he is involved in, which is still managed in part by Tony. And as you will see when SX season rolls around, Mike may not have burned through as many brands, and as many chances for a championship as Matthes indicates.

Time will tell.

Carry on.

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Just wanting to be a part of history here!
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I can't believe this turd is still floating around in the bowl especially with the quick trigger fingers around here these days.
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Sounds like someone is trying to protect a paycheck to me. Not that anythings wrong with that.

You are right on this: Time will tell.
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8/12/2009 11:03am
jbomx363 wrote:
There is a big difference between riding for a Factory Team and "bike options".

So is it going to be Alessi camp racing or ?
Is there really a big difference?? Reed and James come to mind real quick about not being on a factory team and doing pretty good.

The "Factory Rider" may become a thing of the past here pretty soon. It's been proven you can win without being on a factory team. Wouldn't "bike options" mean there is more than one factory prepared to give him bikes and parts to start his own program with??
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8/12/2009 11:04am
Just in :Team Alessi/Discount Pool Supplies Racing formed!
8/12/2009 11:06am
Sorry my spelling is not that great, I am a CPA, numbers are my specialty, not these word thingys. The good news from the Alessi camp...
Sorry my spelling is not that great, I am a CPA, numbers are my specialty, not these word thingys.

The good news from the Alessi camp is that Mike will be at 100% before the start of SX season. They decided to go full term with the recovery this round, and he will have plenty of time to practice before season starts.

So no matter what steed he will be piloting (and he does have several bike options, apparently he has not "burned" through as many brands as Matthes indicated), he will be ready to charge full speed!
jbomx363 wrote:
There is a big difference between riding for a Factory Team and "bike options".

So is it going to be Alessi camp racing or ?
Great point. I can tell you the have several options, and all involved factory support in one capacity or another. This is Mike Alessi we are talking about. Thats almost a commense sense answer, but I guess the point is he no where near the level needing to run full privateer.

Think about it this way....

What do sponsors want to see? They want thier brands in the media, associated with a winner.

How do you get that? Most media coverage consists of the race start (whole shot) the podium shot, the sick finish line whip, and the TV race coverage (when your brands are very visable).

Now hold up one hand and count the factory teams. Hold your other hand and count the riders that have the potential for getting the most media coverage (above).

What does that tell ya? It tells you that Mike has a lot of branding potential that sponsors desire. So when sponsors are looking to maximize thier coverage for thier brands, the fact that Tony had a shock examined in the past or what ever, is not as big of a concern as what Mike can do for their brand right now.

So this "burned through" teams/bike brands concept is not really relavent in todays business environment. But it does make for really good reading!
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8/12/2009 11:18am Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 1:29am
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Grendel - great summary. Iampkrfn - you might be just a bit off in this progression of a young athlete. In many situations, there is no...

Grendel - great summary.

Iampkrfn - you might be just a bit off in this progression of a young athlete. In many situations, there is no point where the parents just "steps back". Depending on the age/maturity of the kid, that process may take many years. In some cases, the families work together for a very long time, even throughout the entire career of the athlete.

Just because the parent stays involved, does not mean they are always evil. Depending on the sport, being successful; requires the efforts of many, and not all athletes are capable of managing all these relationships. So in many cases, several family members are involved in their careers. They are not all in it for just the money, and they usually care a great deal about the well being of their kids.

So first of all, the parents have to stay involved until the kid is 18 (most states). Then they usually stay involved to some degree until they either feel their kid has the right team of professionals, or in some cases, they stay involved until the kid says he is ready to handle things on their own. It’s rare any kid these days makes it to the professional level without the huge dedication of his/her family. And it’s pretty rare you see a professional athlete remain successful and financially well off through retirement without family support all along the way.

Tony does not make Mike get up every morning to train to win. Mike has to do that himself, every day he is able to. But Mike is able to focus on training and winning because he has great family support that allows him this focus. If Tony were to really “step back”, Mike would be responsible for managing the many tracks/facilities, the business professionals (accountants, attorneys, PR agents, risk/financial planners, etc), the support workforce (drivers, mechanics, track workers, admin staff, etc) and many other aspects of the business of MX/SX.

Where Matthes may need to adjust his thoughts a bit…..is that Mike Alessi is still a strong product in the sport. And he stays that way because of the program he is involved in, which is still managed in part by Tony. And as you will see when SX season rolls around, Mike may not have burned through as many brands, and as many chances for a championship as Matthes indicates.

Time will tell.

Carry on.

Name 1 NFL "prodigy" (high draft pick) that has their parent(s) as their manager/trainer/agent once they turn pro - and several years afterward. I stand by what I typed, most parents do step back when the kid goes "pro". Sure, they are still involved in his life and offer advice, but run the show - no.

I'm not accusing Tony of being after Mike's money, but sometimes parents have to know when to cut the cord.



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hammertime wrote:
i just want to get in on the biggest thread in moto history.

that's all.
I just want to make my mark by staying out of the biggest thread in Moto history.........Doh!Blink
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8/12/2009 11:36am
Maybe if every Vital Member posts here this thread will self destruct....

I'll give it a shot.

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Grendel - great summary. Iampkrfn - you might be just a bit off in this progression of a young athlete. In many situations, there is no...

Grendel - great summary.

Iampkrfn - you might be just a bit off in this progression of a young athlete. In many situations, there is no point where the parents just "steps back". Depending on the age/maturity of the kid, that process may take many years. In some cases, the families work together for a very long time, even throughout the entire career of the athlete.

Just because the parent stays involved, does not mean they are always evil. Depending on the sport, being successful; requires the efforts of many, and not all athletes are capable of managing all these relationships. So in many cases, several family members are involved in their careers. They are not all in it for just the money, and they usually care a great deal about the well being of their kids.

So first of all, the parents have to stay involved until the kid is 18 (most states). Then they usually stay involved to some degree until they either feel their kid has the right team of professionals, or in some cases, they stay involved until the kid says he is ready to handle things on their own. It’s rare any kid these days makes it to the professional level without the huge dedication of his/her family. And it’s pretty rare you see a professional athlete remain successful and financially well off through retirement without family support all along the way.

Tony does not make Mike get up every morning to train to win. Mike has to do that himself, every day he is able to. But Mike is able to focus on training and winning because he has great family support that allows him this focus. If Tony were to really “step back”, Mike would be responsible for managing the many tracks/facilities, the business professionals (accountants, attorneys, PR agents, risk/financial planners, etc), the support workforce (drivers, mechanics, track workers, admin staff, etc) and many other aspects of the business of MX/SX.

Where Matthes may need to adjust his thoughts a bit…..is that Mike Alessi is still a strong product in the sport. And he stays that way because of the program he is involved in, which is still managed in part by Tony. And as you will see when SX season rolls around, Mike may not have burned through as many brands, and as many chances for a championship as Matthes indicates.

Time will tell.

Carry on.

BRILLIANT!! I wonder how Archie Manning splits his time between Giant Stadium and Lucas oil Field. Maybe he spends Monday through Wednesday working with Eli and then heads over to Peyton's place on Thursday through Saturday.

Dungey's parents are pretty smart dontcha think?


I hope to hell whoever is in charge has mike on a strict supercross diet with a side of whoops everyday for breakfast. guarantee the kid can ride sx with the best of them. after reed and stewart it's mikes to lose and hell he might even be able to beat those guys once or twice.
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8/12/2009 11:54am
I ran out popcorn like 10 pages ago. Like someone said " I feel dumber for reading all of this"
8/12/2009 11:56am
A part of my firm specializes in various financial services for young professional athletes. So in part you are definitely correct, but not all professional athletes are the same when it comes to managing their careers. You are very correct in that many high draft pick athletes do not have very much family involvement after the contract is signed. Why is that? Simple, they pay enough for really good agents and professionals. So they don’t need as much (if any) support

Now let’s look at the players that come out on the 4th and 5th rounds of the draft (where my firm’s specialty is). They just do not get the same attention from the top agents/professionals, because 4% of their gross earnings is not enough to make the agents private jet monthly payments. So they do rely more on way more family support than those first round folks.

MX is not that different. When you look at the 40 riders starting a national, do you think more or less than half are there mostly because of the support of their families? Heck, look at the top 15. Do you think all their families have “stepped back” from their careers? That’s just not the way it is once you get below the guys at the very top.

Also, some sports are different when it comes to what it takes to keep the athlete on top. In the NFL, you don’t have to build a stadium to practice in.

Just another view point, and my efforts to keep the longest thread in history alive.
8/12/2009 12:00pm
Bobby M - I can tell you whoops are already on the top of the menu. Lets just say the practice tracks have been changed a bit already to make whoops the main entre!
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A part of my firm specializes in various financial services for young professional athletes. So in part you are definitely correct, but not all professional athletes...
A part of my firm specializes in various financial services for young professional athletes. So in part you are definitely correct, but not all professional athletes are the same when it comes to managing their careers. You are very correct in that many high draft pick athletes do not have very much family involvement after the contract is signed. Why is that? Simple, they pay enough for really good agents and professionals. So they don’t need as much (if any) support

Now let’s look at the players that come out on the 4th and 5th rounds of the draft (where my firm’s specialty is). They just do not get the same attention from the top agents/professionals, because 4% of their gross earnings is not enough to make the agents private jet monthly payments. So they do rely more on way more family support than those first round folks.

MX is not that different. When you look at the 40 riders starting a national, do you think more or less than half are there mostly because of the support of their families? Heck, look at the top 15. Do you think all their families have “stepped back” from their careers? That’s just not the way it is once you get below the guys at the very top.

Also, some sports are different when it comes to what it takes to keep the athlete on top. In the NFL, you don’t have to build a stadium to practice in.

Just another view point, and my efforts to keep the longest thread in history alive.
yer comparing mike alessi to a 4th or 5th round nfl draftee?

a...yer fucking fired. tony...fire this douche immediately....lmao
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8/12/2009 12:08pm
If you want to use an example of "How to be a good minicycle/motorcycle racer parent" look no further than Jack and Ann McGrath. Jeremy was and still is a very respectable, well rounded person who was just as good a PR machine as he was a SX racer.

btw...I also agree with other examples given previously, such as Dungey and Carmichaels parents. Tony could learn a bit from these folks.
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A part of my firm specializes in various financial services for young professional athletes. So in part you are definitely correct, but not all professional athletes...
A part of my firm specializes in various financial services for young professional athletes. So in part you are definitely correct, but not all professional athletes are the same when it comes to managing their careers. You are very correct in that many high draft pick athletes do not have very much family involvement after the contract is signed. Why is that? Simple, they pay enough for really good agents and professionals. So they don’t need as much (if any) support

Now let’s look at the players that come out on the 4th and 5th rounds of the draft (where my firm’s specialty is). They just do not get the same attention from the top agents/professionals, because 4% of their gross earnings is not enough to make the agents private jet monthly payments. So they do rely more on way more family support than those first round folks.

MX is not that different. When you look at the 40 riders starting a national, do you think more or less than half are there mostly because of the support of their families? Heck, look at the top 15. Do you think all their families have “stepped back” from their careers? That’s just not the way it is once you get below the guys at the very top.

Also, some sports are different when it comes to what it takes to keep the athlete on top. In the NFL, you don’t have to build a stadium to practice in.

Just another view point, and my efforts to keep the longest thread in history alive.
To draw the closest comparison from a MX standpoint, look at how the careers of RC and JS were handled by their families. A little different, yet similar to each other (at least from the outside looking in). A tremendous amount of sacrifice and money spent during the amatuer years (some would contend Tony was by far the best equipped money-wise of the 3), but when junior hit the big-time, Ma/Pa stepped back a tad at first, then a little more.

MA was just about as highly touted coming out as those 2 and where does he sit now in comparison?

No one disputes Mike has the ability, so what's the difference then?
8/12/2009 12:10pm
bwahahaha....got me on that one.....

I will turn in my resignation....
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8/12/2009 12:19pm
Someone better quickly tell Trey that his mom is bringing his career down. He should leave her at home, he'll never win a championship with her around. LOL

He's out injured too, guess if Tony is to blame for Mikes crashing, we need to put this one on momma Canard for Trey crashing.

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8/12/2009 12:22pm
how old is canard? i dont think canards momma is trying out his geico bike and see's if its good...

sorry...but that just disturbed me
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8/12/2009 12:29pm
24 pages.....oh....em.....gee........
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RuFfRyDaH wrote:
how old is canard? i dont think canards momma is trying out his geico bike and see's if its good...

sorry...but that just disturbed me
psssst, hey....it was joke...maybe stick around a while and get a feel for how it works, before you go spouting off???
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Bobby M - I can tell you whoops are already on the top of the menu. Lets just say the practice tracks have been changed a...
Bobby M - I can tell you whoops are already on the top of the menu. Lets just say the practice tracks have been changed a bit already to make whoops the main entre!
Im very disappoint in you RL, this is your first post which was not at least 4 respectable paragraphs. Damn you must be able to type fast as shite!
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