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7/18/2022 3:56pm
early wrote:
Why did this 20 year old kid walk into a mall on a Sunday and kill 3 people with Hispanic names in Indiana?
TeamGreen wrote:
Because he was Evil?
Yeah, these public shootings of random strangers really suck. News said cops went to this guy's house and he had his laptop baking in the oven.
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7/18/2022 4:47pm
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Safest place in the USA is standing next to SeeMeFirst. Not kidding.
TeamGreen wrote:
Yup!
SEEMEFIRST wrote:
Ha!

The spin I just saw was that he was carrying against the rules of the mall.
The shooter probably just didn't see the "Gun free zone" signs. Better make 'em bigger.
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7/18/2022 5:21pm
plowboy wrote:
Look bud...I ain't arguing with you. I'd do the same but don't go using the bible to justify anything. The old testament was written by and...
Look bud...I ain't arguing with you. I'd do the same but don't go using the bible to justify anything. The old testament was written by and for Jews. All that stuff in red is for us gentiles. I'm pretty sure Jesus might have something to say about your interpretation.

The bottom line is...we can protect ourselves best we can or eat lead from every nutcase with a gun. God and Jesus are busy I guess.

It's all very confusing.
TXDirt wrote:
Jesus was the one who turned over the tables in righteous anger. That’s not my interpretation. That’s what it says. If you don’t care, that’s fine...
Jesus was the one who turned over the tables in righteous anger. That’s not my interpretation. That’s what it says.

If you don’t care, that’s fine. But you are making very wild and inaccurate generalizations.

Why not just say…”what I was taught is that Christian’s are to be pacifists”.

Not everyone is taught that or believes that. If you do fine.

Carry on and have a good day.
TeamGreen wrote:
Man, I hope he (TalinH112) doesn't go and read the Old Testament...

His head will explode!
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Nope Team Green, I know the Old Testament well. Heads still here. 😂
7/18/2022 5:29pm
The dreaded ‘money changers’.
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7/18/2022 5:39pm Edited Date/Time 7/18/2022 5:42pm
TalinH112 wrote:
If more of this happened maybe these mental midgets who are out to inflict as much damage as possible would be deterred. Just my two cents...
If more of this happened maybe these mental midgets who are out to inflict as much damage as possible would be deterred. Just my two cents, through out history evil has been stopped by good men willing to do evil deeds.
JustMX wrote:
what was "evil deed" about this?
TalinH112 wrote:
Killing a person is an evil deed in my book. Wether that person deserves it or not, taking a human life is inherently evil.
TalinH112 you are operating on an extremely naive view of life. Killing someone is awful to do, but there is such a thing as bad people that need to be exterminated. Even God supposedly kills people, right?
This guy shot a 12-year-old girl. I'm happy his ass is dead.
Elisjsha Dicken was the hero's name. This will certainly complicate the conversation around guns. I have shifted from a liberal on this topic to a feeling that being able to defend yourself is a basic right. The toothpaste is out of the tube as far as guns in America.
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7/18/2022 5:50pm
This happened in the town I live in. I was just about to walk in when this happened. I think most people in the community view the Good Samaritan as a hero. The mayor, governor, and the mall has called him a hero. The mall does have a no gun policy. But from my understanding from what I’ve read and seen is state law take over. If someone is seen with a gun that can be trespassed. So I doubt charges will be pressed.

I just view it as the media and certain people trying to push a headline. Indiana is a very conservative state so I’ve been surprised by the push local media has taken. I believe this man to be a hero for his actions and saved many lives. The shooter brought in at least 100 rounds according to the last police report.
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7/18/2022 6:11pm
This happened in the town I live in. I was just about to walk in when this happened. I think most people in the community view...
This happened in the town I live in. I was just about to walk in when this happened. I think most people in the community view the Good Samaritan as a hero. The mayor, governor, and the mall has called him a hero. The mall does have a no gun policy. But from my understanding from what I’ve read and seen is state law take over. If someone is seen with a gun that can be trespassed. So I doubt charges will be pressed.

I just view it as the media and certain people trying to push a headline. Indiana is a very conservative state so I’ve been surprised by the push local media has taken. I believe this man to be a hero for his actions and saved many lives. The shooter brought in at least 100 rounds according to the last police report.
Absolutely a hero, no matter how the media spin it.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
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7/18/2022 6:17pm
JustMX wrote:
what was "evil deed" about this?
TalinH112 wrote:
Killing a person is an evil deed in my book. Wether that person deserves it or not, taking a human life is inherently evil.
Moto Nomad wrote:
TalinH112 you are operating on an extremely naive view of life. Killing someone is awful to do, but there is such a thing as bad people...
TalinH112 you are operating on an extremely naive view of life. Killing someone is awful to do, but there is such a thing as bad people that need to be exterminated. Even God supposedly kills people, right?
This guy shot a 12-year-old girl. I'm happy his ass is dead.
Elisjsha Dicken was the hero's name. This will certainly complicate the conversation around guns. I have shifted from a liberal on this topic to a feeling that being able to defend yourself is a basic right. The toothpaste is out of the tube as far as guns in America.
You should read my other replies, my point of view is not naive. I carry a firearm every day because I know the dangers of other human beings.
7/18/2022 6:22pm Edited Date/Time 7/18/2022 6:25pm
And so it begins.

Timestamp 7:40-7:52. EDIT "I mean but are we all supposed to rely on an armed 22 year old?"

Just wow! What a backhanded slap to the face of every law abiding citizen. From the sheep of course. These people have literally lost touch with reality.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCLtbGOrR8g

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7/18/2022 6:33pm
And so it begins. Timestamp 7:40-7:52. EDIT "I mean but are we all supposed to rely on an armed 22 year old?" Just wow! What a...
And so it begins.

Timestamp 7:40-7:52. EDIT "I mean but are we all supposed to rely on an armed 22 year old?"

Just wow! What a backhanded slap to the face of every law abiding citizen. From the sheep of course. These people have literally lost touch with reality.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCLtbGOrR8g

I'm pretty sure I was better at 22 than I am now.

Certainly quicker at target acquisition, and definitely better eyesight.
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7/18/2022 6:41pm Edited Date/Time 7/18/2022 6:44pm
And so it begins. Timestamp 7:40-7:52. EDIT "I mean but are we all supposed to rely on an armed 22 year old?" Just wow! What a...
And so it begins.

Timestamp 7:40-7:52. EDIT "I mean but are we all supposed to rely on an armed 22 year old?"

Just wow! What a backhanded slap to the face of every law abiding citizen. From the sheep of course. These people have literally lost touch with reality.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCLtbGOrR8g

SEEMEFIRST wrote:
I'm pretty sure I was better at 22 than I am now.

Certainly quicker at target acquisition, and definitely better eyesight.
I mean, seriously! There are so many things wrong with this statement. EDIT: @SEEMEFIRST - not your statement. The one I posted.

How many cops are 22? How many armed forces are 22? The list goes on.

These people are absolute morans IMO!!
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7/18/2022 6:51pm
plowboy wrote:
Look bud...I ain't arguing with you. I'd do the same but don't go using the bible to justify anything. The old testament was written by and...
Look bud...I ain't arguing with you. I'd do the same but don't go using the bible to justify anything. The old testament was written by and for Jews. All that stuff in red is for us gentiles. I'm pretty sure Jesus might have something to say about your interpretation.

The bottom line is...we can protect ourselves best we can or eat lead from every nutcase with a gun. God and Jesus are busy I guess.

It's all very confusing.
Ever read Luke 22:36? Just curious what your take is on this. Legit question, not arguing with you as I have struggled with this in the past.
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7/18/2022 7:14pm
TXDirt wrote:
Jesus was the one who turned over the tables in righteous anger. That’s not my interpretation. That’s what it says. If you don’t care, that’s fine...
Jesus was the one who turned over the tables in righteous anger. That’s not my interpretation. That’s what it says.

If you don’t care, that’s fine. But you are making very wild and inaccurate generalizations.

Why not just say…”what I was taught is that Christian’s are to be pacifists”.

Not everyone is taught that or believes that. If you do fine.

Carry on and have a good day.
TeamGreen wrote:
Man, I hope he (TalinH112) doesn't go and read the Old Testament...

His head will explode!
Wink
TalinH112 wrote:
Nope Team Green, I know the Old Testament well. Heads still here. 😂
Well, then ya know, there's some Dark-Crazy stuff goin' on back then...Dizzy
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7/18/2022 7:20pm
And so it begins. Timestamp 7:40-7:52. EDIT "I mean but are we all supposed to rely on an armed 22 year old?" Just wow! What a...
And so it begins.

Timestamp 7:40-7:52. EDIT "I mean but are we all supposed to rely on an armed 22 year old?"

Just wow! What a backhanded slap to the face of every law abiding citizen. From the sheep of course. These people have literally lost touch with reality.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCLtbGOrR8g

SEEMEFIRST wrote:
I'm pretty sure I was better at 22 than I am now.

Certainly quicker at target acquisition, and definitely better eyesight.
I mean, seriously! There are so many things wrong with this statement. EDIT: @SEEMEFIRST - not your statement. The one I posted. How many cops are...
I mean, seriously! There are so many things wrong with this statement. EDIT: @SEEMEFIRST - not your statement. The one I posted.

How many cops are 22? How many armed forces are 22? The list goes on.

These people are absolute morans IMO!!
Copied that.
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7/18/2022 7:49pm
This man saves lives with a legally acquired firearm and the same group who can’t define what a woman is, insists they know EXACTLY what a “Good Samaritan” is, and this hero does not fit their definition.

This is is just another example of how liberalism is truly a mental disorder.
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7/18/2022 8:09pm
TXDirt wrote:
This man saves lives with a legally acquired firearm and the same group who can’t define what a woman is, insists they know EXACTLY what a...
This man saves lives with a legally acquired firearm and the same group who can’t define what a woman is, insists they know EXACTLY what a “Good Samaritan” is, and this hero does not fit their definition.

This is is just another example of how liberalism is truly a mental disorder.
According to the local news, he got shot, too.

CNN, the Leftist Agenda Narrative Spewers that they are...they just can't "Report the News" without shitting all over it & themselves.
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7/18/2022 8:24pm
plowboy wrote:
Look bud...I ain't arguing with you. I'd do the same but don't go using the bible to justify anything. The old testament was written by and...
Look bud...I ain't arguing with you. I'd do the same but don't go using the bible to justify anything. The old testament was written by and for Jews. All that stuff in red is for us gentiles. I'm pretty sure Jesus might have something to say about your interpretation.

The bottom line is...we can protect ourselves best we can or eat lead from every nutcase with a gun. God and Jesus are busy I guess.

It's all very confusing.
Ever read Luke 22:36? Just curious what your take is on this. Legit question, not arguing with you as I have struggled with this in the...
Ever read Luke 22:36? Just curious what your take is on this. Legit question, not arguing with you as I have struggled with this in the past.
I honestly don't know what it means.
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And so it begins. Timestamp 7:40-7:52. EDIT "I mean but are we all supposed to rely on an armed 22 year old?" Just wow! What a...
And so it begins.

Timestamp 7:40-7:52. EDIT "I mean but are we all supposed to rely on an armed 22 year old?"

Just wow! What a backhanded slap to the face of every law abiding citizen. From the sheep of course. These people have literally lost touch with reality.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCLtbGOrR8g

"I mean but are we all supposed to rely on an armed 22 year old?"

So much fail in that question. lol
One can only hope that someday they'll both grow up and be just like that responsible 22 year old. Laughing
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Left, right - they all have foot in mouth disease.
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Greenwood Park Mall was posted “no guns”. That’s probably why the attacker chose it. No resistance, fish in a barrel. Or so he thought.

Eli Dicken carried anyway, and ignored the signs, because in his state, posted signs don’t carry the force of law, other than allowing a property or business owner to ask you to leave if they know you are carrying, and only if you refuse can they trespass you.

If you didn’t know, this is the same in Texas.

So always remember three things:

1. Concealed means concealed.
2. The bad guys don’t obey those signs either.
3. Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
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https://coloradosun.com/2022/07/17/downtown-denver-police-shooting/

Five bystanders injured in downtown Denver as police officers shoot at man authorities say was armed
The five people, three women and two men, are expected to survive their injuries.

Jesse Paul
7:07 AM MDT on Jul 17, 2022


Five people were hurt in Lower Downtown Denver early Sunday when police officers shot a man they say was armed as bars in the crowded entertainment district let out.

The five people, three women and two men, are expected to survive their injuries. They appear to have been innocent bystanders wounded in officers’ crossfire.

The Denver Police Department says they are investigating whether the bystanders’ injuries were directly a result of officers’ gunfire. Police, in a news release sent more than 12 hours after the shooting, said injuries caused by ricocheting bullets or shrapnel would be considered indirect wounds.

The suspect, who was also wounded in the shooting, does not appear to have fired his weapon. He, too, is expected to survive.
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7/21/2022 5:58am Edited Date/Time 7/21/2022 5:59am
APLMAN99 wrote:
https://coloradosun.com/2022/07/17/downtown-denver-police-shooting/ Five bystanders injured in downtown Denver as police officers shoot at man authorities say was armed The five people, three women and two men, are...
https://coloradosun.com/2022/07/17/downtown-denver-police-shooting/

Five bystanders injured in downtown Denver as police officers shoot at man authorities say was armed
The five people, three women and two men, are expected to survive their injuries.

Jesse Paul
7:07 AM MDT on Jul 17, 2022


Five people were hurt in Lower Downtown Denver early Sunday when police officers shot a man they say was armed as bars in the crowded entertainment district let out.

The five people, three women and two men, are expected to survive their injuries. They appear to have been innocent bystanders wounded in officers’ crossfire.

The Denver Police Department says they are investigating whether the bystanders’ injuries were directly a result of officers’ gunfire. Police, in a news release sent more than 12 hours after the shooting, said injuries caused by ricocheting bullets or shrapnel would be considered indirect wounds.

The suspect, who was also wounded in the shooting, does not appear to have fired his weapon. He, too, is expected to survive.
Glad nobody was killed.
Ricochet's ,fragments from bullets or even concrete/bricks etc.. They all can injure & even kill.
One of the reasons LE agencies have money set aside for risk management purposes.
There's a lot of liability and their jobs aren't easy that's for sure.
I assume those injured will all be compensated unless they failed to act in regards to police orders(if any were given) before they engaged the suspect.
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From CNN Journalist

"Even with a ‘good guy’ present, the Indiana mall shooter was still able to kill three people, injure two and traumatize many others. That's not a victory against gun violence; it's a horrific scenario by any measure. And even the ‘good guy’ with the gun wasn't exactly following the rules -- the mall doesn't allow weapons on its property, and he brought one in anyway," Filipovic wrote.

Wasn’t exactly following the rules……

Good one.
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7/21/2022 7:35am Edited Date/Time 7/21/2022 8:18am
TXDirt wrote:
From CNN Journalist [i]"Even with a ‘good guy’ present, the Indiana mall shooter was still able to kill three people, injure two and traumatize many others...
From CNN Journalist

"Even with a ‘good guy’ present, the Indiana mall shooter was still able to kill three people, injure two and traumatize many others. That's not a victory against gun violence; it's a horrific scenario by any measure. And even the ‘good guy’ with the gun wasn't exactly following the rules -- the mall doesn't allow weapons on its property, and he brought one in anyway," Filipovic wrote.

Wasn’t exactly following the rules……

Good one.
I'm pretty sure their state constitutional carry overrides their silly mall rules.
Just about every mall has some sorta rule like "Firearms Only Allowed By Peace Keepers".
I think they only thing they can do is ask you to leave the property if they know you have a weapon.
But if your weapon is concealed they'll never know unless you have to pull it.

‘good guy’ present
Every person in that area other than the attacker was a "good" person present,weapon or not IMO.
Hypothetically : I don't care if the attacker was stopped by a 12 year old girl who threw a softball off the second story
of the mall and hit him in the head. But the more society bands together to stop these sick maniacs in their tracks,the better off we'll be. Remain calm and have a plan(armed or not).
And stop reading/watching CNN LOL.



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APLMAN99 wrote:
https://coloradosun.com/2022/07/17/downtown-denver-police-shooting/ Five bystanders injured in downtown Denver as police officers shoot at man authorities say was armed The five people, three women and two men, are...
https://coloradosun.com/2022/07/17/downtown-denver-police-shooting/

Five bystanders injured in downtown Denver as police officers shoot at man authorities say was armed
The five people, three women and two men, are expected to survive their injuries.

Jesse Paul
7:07 AM MDT on Jul 17, 2022


Five people were hurt in Lower Downtown Denver early Sunday when police officers shot a man they say was armed as bars in the crowded entertainment district let out.

The five people, three women and two men, are expected to survive their injuries. They appear to have been innocent bystanders wounded in officers’ crossfire.

The Denver Police Department says they are investigating whether the bystanders’ injuries were directly a result of officers’ gunfire. Police, in a news release sent more than 12 hours after the shooting, said injuries caused by ricocheting bullets or shrapnel would be considered indirect wounds.

The suspect, who was also wounded in the shooting, does not appear to have fired his weapon. He, too, is expected to survive.
I would like to know more about this situation, was the armed man a threat? Was he carrying legally and someone called the police on him? Was he instructed to drop his weapon and refused? Did the cops act negligently in opening fire into a crowded area? I have read enough of your posts to know where you stand on the Gun issue and can only assume you posted this here to further make your point as it is not relevant to the topic being discussed here.
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APLMAN99 wrote:
https://coloradosun.com/2022/07/17/downtown-denver-police-shooting/ Five bystanders injured in downtown Denver as police officers shoot at man authorities say was armed The five people, three women and two men, are...
https://coloradosun.com/2022/07/17/downtown-denver-police-shooting/

Five bystanders injured in downtown Denver as police officers shoot at man authorities say was armed
The five people, three women and two men, are expected to survive their injuries.

Jesse Paul
7:07 AM MDT on Jul 17, 2022


Five people were hurt in Lower Downtown Denver early Sunday when police officers shot a man they say was armed as bars in the crowded entertainment district let out.

The five people, three women and two men, are expected to survive their injuries. They appear to have been innocent bystanders wounded in officers’ crossfire.

The Denver Police Department says they are investigating whether the bystanders’ injuries were directly a result of officers’ gunfire. Police, in a news release sent more than 12 hours after the shooting, said injuries caused by ricocheting bullets or shrapnel would be considered indirect wounds.

The suspect, who was also wounded in the shooting, does not appear to have fired his weapon. He, too, is expected to survive.
TalinH112 wrote:
I would like to know more about this situation, was the armed man a threat? Was he carrying legally and someone called the police on him...
I would like to know more about this situation, was the armed man a threat? Was he carrying legally and someone called the police on him? Was he instructed to drop his weapon and refused? Did the cops act negligently in opening fire into a crowded area? I have read enough of your posts to know where you stand on the Gun issue and can only assume you posted this here to further make your point as it is not relevant to the topic being discussed here.
Uh, what? I am a believer that the Second Amendment guarantees personal ownership of weapons, that's my stance on the "gun issue".

And the Second Amendment doesn't say anything about restricting someone for any reason, it explicitly says that the right shall not be infringed.

But time and time again we see the headlines that seem to justify people being stopped, detained, or even shot because they armed when all the while the Second Amendment should make that unconstitutional.

My posting this was more a display of what can also happen when good guys use their guns.
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Here's another very difficult situation of a good guy with a gun that doesn't have the same heroic ending. I'm not really critical of the police in this instance because I think that the whole notion of deciding who is the 'good guy' and who is the 'bad guy' is nearly impossible in some situations. Ideally we don't end up with Wild West style gunfights, but if everyone were armed there would be a much greater chance of that happening.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Emantic_Fitzgerald_Bradford_Jr.
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