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Ducon39 6/13/2022 3:25pm
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scott_nz wrote:
for the riders, the top guys make a bit through bonuses, , but most guys out of the top 10 will be paying there own way...
for the riders, the top guys make a bit through bonuses, , but most guys out of the top 10 will be paying there own way, id say most the sidecar teams would be like that too,

here is the prize money scale, 18K pounds is not that much,
https://sportscriber.com/money/isle-of-man-tt-prize-money/


by money being made, i meant by the riders and spectators spending money on accommodation meals etc, not so much the competitors making money
Bruce372 wrote:
It's probably the same as motocross, top 10 getting paid, next 10 riding for free, next ten paying to ride. Of course my estimates have error...
It's probably the same as motocross, top 10 getting paid, next 10 riding for free, next ten paying to ride. Of course my estimates have error bars, but its not like anyone is complaining for a wage cap in mx either.
brimx153 wrote:
Very top guys are getting payed good for it . But it's really only 5 guys . Like Michael Dunlop get s alot of start money...
Very top guys are getting payed good for it . But it's really only 5 guys . Like Michael Dunlop get s alot of start money . Other s will spend everything just to do it . My father raced in Ireland , never did the TT tho . I ve been brought up with it my entire life . I ve had friend s die doing it . Who I raced Motocross with before they did roads . End of the day they do it for the thrill , go look at Hickman s go pro of the entire lap on YouTube it's amazing . I can understand why people do it . But I would nt that's for sure . Or would I ever tell people not to do it . Climbing is far more risky imo . 1 out of 3 die climbing K2. Now that's crazy
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philG 6/13/2022 3:37pm
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ktmdan wrote:
I see what you mean. I look at people who ride street bikes (motorcycles or cyclists!) and think they’re bat shit crazy. Meanwhile I’ve had multiple...
I see what you mean. I look at people who ride street bikes (motorcycles or cyclists!) and think they’re bat shit crazy. Meanwhile I’ve had multiple surgeries, numerous life changing concussions and hospital stays riding Mx and I still do it 😂.
I guess I’m over the glorification of it all. Like oh they died doing what they loved, father and son. No that freakin sucks and is silly way to die.
My brother in law died fishing. My father in law was stood next to him and survived.

Didnt stop him going fishing.


I wont ride a motorcycle on the road, or even cycle because the Risk V Reward for me is way into negative numbers.


The guy who thinks i an nuts for racing MX, has lost more friends cycling on the roads, than i have on the track, and that is comparing the 5 years i have known him, to the 45 i have raced.

I have had TT racers sleep on my couch, and i am never telling them its too dangerous.
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Maicoman07 6/13/2022 4:03pm
6/13/2022 4:03pm
Ducon39 wrote:
Road 'the movie' is a must see. You may not understand why they do this and risk their life doing it, but this is their life...
Road 'the movie' is a must see. You may not understand why they do this and risk their life doing it, but this is their life. In 2008, Robert Dunlop died at the North West 200 ... 2 days later, his sons William and Michael were racing (I believe Michael won). In 2018, William died during practice for the 2018 Skerries 100 Road Races in County Dublin ... this year, his brother Michael won Isle of Man TT for a record 21st time.
Again, crazy for outsiders but this is their life, their choice (and who else better than Michael Dunlop understands the risks), don't tell them what they should do.

The last 15 minutes of that film is something else! During the Christmas holidays i came across a film called "3 wheeling" Had never heard of it before Got my daughter to put it on using her amazon prime account It was the best £2'*99p i will spend It is the 2017 sidecar tt which was a terrible year as 2 of the drivers would lose their lives World Sidecar Champion Klaus Klaffenbock said in it it was more of a achievement winning a TT than his world championships Well worth checking out
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Bruce372 wrote:
It's probably the same as motocross, top 10 getting paid, next 10 riding for free, next ten paying to ride. Of course my estimates have error...
It's probably the same as motocross, top 10 getting paid, next 10 riding for free, next ten paying to ride. Of course my estimates have error bars, but its not like anyone is complaining for a wage cap in mx either.
brimx153 wrote:
Very top guys are getting payed good for it . But it's really only 5 guys . Like Michael Dunlop get s alot of start money...
Very top guys are getting payed good for it . But it's really only 5 guys . Like Michael Dunlop get s alot of start money . Other s will spend everything just to do it . My father raced in Ireland , never did the TT tho . I ve been brought up with it my entire life . I ve had friend s die doing it . Who I raced Motocross with before they did roads . End of the day they do it for the thrill , go look at Hickman s go pro of the entire lap on YouTube it's amazing . I can understand why people do it . But I would nt that's for sure . Or would I ever tell people not to do it . Climbing is far more risky imo . 1 out of 3 die climbing K2. Now that's crazy
Ducon39 wrote:
That one is really good . The one I love is the chin mount for the full lap .

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Natester551v 6/13/2022 7:01pm
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js451 wrote:
Omg the hate on here! 😆 No where did I say I wanted it to banned, i said I was curious to hear everyone’s thoughts! Now...
Omg the hate on here! 😆 No where did I say I wanted it to banned, i said I was curious to hear everyone’s thoughts!
Now I’m a wet wipe calling for the ban of the race 😆

Learn how to read before you spew out your emotions 😆

Youse are the keyboard warriors not me 😆
Alan Dove wrote:
You called it barbaric, unnecessary and too dangerous. That's highly [i]emotive language [/i]and also mimics the exact language those who wan it to be prohibited use...
You called it barbaric, unnecessary and too dangerous. That's highly emotive language and also mimics the exact language those who wan it to be prohibited use. Unnecessary means not needed. Too dangerous infers that you believe there is an 'acceptable' danger level that shouldn't be surpassed. You don'y get to call anyone a keyboard warrior when you use that kind of language.

in addition the whole argument is flawed. To accuse the TT of being barbaric is to say it's savagely cruel. I find it somewhat odd that people from a sport where barely cognizant children are often victims of seriously life changing injuries (and worse) are accusing a sport where fully consenting adults compete is barbaric.

Absolutely zero self-awareness. To a lot of people dirtbikes are "barbaric, unnecessary and too dangerous"
This^^^
scott_nz 6/13/2022 7:11pm
6/13/2022 7:11pm Edited Date/Time 6/13/2022 8:23pm
ktmdan wrote:
To be fair though, if 250 people had died at a motocross race that happens once a year do you really think the race would still...
To be fair though, if 250 people had died at a motocross race that happens once a year do you really think the race would still be around? Just playing devils advocate here.
How many people have died in ama sx? I can only think of one. I suppose you could argue that the Baja1000 is the closest parallel.
All though it’s not much better , the 265 killed includes the Manx tt, (amateur) and the not currently run classic tt , so it’s 2-3 times a year

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dcg141 6/14/2022 10:15am
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You realize there a whole series in Ireland with just as many sketchy venues.
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Robbirob25 6/14/2022 11:11am
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js451 wrote:
Omg the hate on here! 😆 No where did I say I wanted it to banned, i said I was curious to hear everyone’s thoughts! Now...
Omg the hate on here! 😆 No where did I say I wanted it to banned, i said I was curious to hear everyone’s thoughts!
Now I’m a wet wipe calling for the ban of the race 😆

Learn how to read before you spew out your emotions 😆

Youse are the keyboard warriors not me 😆
Alan Dove wrote:
You called it barbaric, unnecessary and too dangerous. That's highly [i]emotive language [/i]and also mimics the exact language those who wan it to be prohibited use...
You called it barbaric, unnecessary and too dangerous. That's highly emotive language and also mimics the exact language those who wan it to be prohibited use. Unnecessary means not needed. Too dangerous infers that you believe there is an 'acceptable' danger level that shouldn't be surpassed. You don'y get to call anyone a keyboard warrior when you use that kind of language.

in addition the whole argument is flawed. To accuse the TT of being barbaric is to say it's savagely cruel. I find it somewhat odd that people from a sport where barely cognizant children are often victims of seriously life changing injuries (and worse) are accusing a sport where fully consenting adults compete is barbaric.

Absolutely zero self-awareness. To a lot of people dirtbikes are "barbaric, unnecessary and too dangerous"
This... Exactly. Who are we to judge, what these guys are doing? What if the tree huggers come for us next, and we were the one's to call out IOTT participants for their self belief and behaviors. Would I do it? Nope and i have road raced for years, but for me the "Juice ain't worth the squeeze" and it is none of my business to call these Dudes out. The OP needs to not worry about the participants, leave these guys the F#%K alone...
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Roostermx58 6/14/2022 11:30am
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Was supposed to go this year but ended up spending most of our time in Ireland and Scotland. My parents went though and we were able to snag a photo with Peter Hickman, this year's winner
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motoman617 6/14/2022 11:53am
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I’ve always enjoyed watching the TT. Sadly as others said here it was not on US TV this year. I always recorded the races and watched as time permitted. I was going to get the streaming service but had company during the racing so I missed the races. Has anybody used the streaming service and are the races still available there to watch now? Good quality?

I found the Road movie last night on the Plex app on my Apple TV. What an amazing documentary. Really enjoyed seeing all the old footage and interviews but it also left me sad. Got a little misty eyed there a few times. Well worth searching for and watching. Thank you for the recommendation.
psychotronBR 6/14/2022 12:25pm
6/14/2022 12:25pm
I love road racing. Done a couple myself, NOTHING beats the thrill and sheer violent power of a 1000cc bike going down a straight at +170mph.

With that being said, i do not have the titanium balls to do it on a public road like the TT. These guys are on a whole different level of brave / insane, and i have the utmost respect for them.
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MXMattii 6/14/2022 1:58pm
6/14/2022 1:58pm Edited Date/Time 6/14/2022 2:01pm
I will leave this here, there are more then "one" road race. The TT is one of many and at most of the races everyone goes home safely. The North West 200 had a fatal accident a few years back, but that track looks like it's drawn by a artist. Beside the Irish Road Racing you've also the European Road Racing in Hengelo, Chimay, Imatra and those crazy Czechia races! Racing on the roads creates corners no man can create on a short track, that is why riders love it and spectators love it, not?!



PS: Davey Todd is besides an incredible Superstock racer in the British Superbike series and a incredible Road Racer on any bike also multiple British Supermoto champion in the winter series if I'm not mistaken and could easily race some extreme enduro or some motocross.

Maicoman07 6/14/2022 2:18pm
6/14/2022 2:18pm
MXMattii wrote:
I will leave this here, there are more then "one" road race. The TT is one of many and at most of the races everyone goes...
I will leave this here, there are more then "one" road race. The TT is one of many and at most of the races everyone goes home safely. The North West 200 had a fatal accident a few years back, but that track looks like it's drawn by a artist. Beside the Irish Road Racing you've also the European Road Racing in Hengelo, Chimay, Imatra and those crazy Czechia races! Racing on the roads creates corners no man can create on a short track, that is why riders love it and spectators love it, not?!



PS: Davey Todd is besides an incredible Superstock racer in the British Superbike series and a incredible Road Racer on any bike also multiple British Supermoto champion in the winter series if I'm not mistaken and could easily race some extreme enduro or some motocross.

Yes at most of the road races everyone goes home The TT lasts a fortnight and the riders clock up over 40000 miles during that time You can not have that amount of miles without things going wrong
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MXMattii 6/14/2022 2:54pm
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Maicoman07 wrote:
Yes at most of the road races everyone goes home The TT lasts a fortnight and the riders clock up over 40000 miles during that time...
Yes at most of the road races everyone goes home The TT lasts a fortnight and the riders clock up over 40000 miles during that time You can not have that amount of miles without things going wrong
True and I think that most riders accept that. Because the TT isn't about the money, almost nobody is really making money, most of the top riders are happy when their program is on point and they can race +50k Superbike beasts without paying for it their own. It's hard to compare it with something else in the world except maybe the Ironman in Hawaii who is also dangerous but for different reasons, and most people who are there aren't there for the money but just because they want to prove themselves against themself, and winning brings some fame.

People who say it's maybe getting to dangerous: In motocross we've maybe not as much fatalities but we've so many life changing injuries who evolve in depression for example. So I'm not sure if we are the right crowd to judge, knowing that most of use would love to see their kid race at the age of 4 and so on.

For people who love to see the daily ITV coverage from outside the UK: CLiCK. This year was also the first year you could watch the races live on the internet for about 22 euro and I need to say it was well spend with all races brought to us from the tap on the shoulder to the finish line. I was on the edge of my seat with some of the races! (Don't want to spoil anything).
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troymoto2 6/14/2022 3:06pm
6/14/2022 3:06pm
backinthesaddleagain wrote:
From Top Gear magazine, 2013: SEVEN-TIME MotoGP world champion Valentino Rossi has expressed the view that the Isle of Man TT is too dangerous. Rossi made...
From Top Gear magazine, 2013:
SEVEN-TIME MotoGP world champion Valentino Rossi has expressed the view that the Isle of Man TT is too dangerous.

Rossi made the comments in an in-depth interview with Top Gear magazine, in which he told the interviewer that his biggest fear is being injured. He said: 'I did a lap of the Isle of Man, and I understand why people love this because it’s f**king awesome – it’s unbelievable, great. But, unfortunately, it’s too dangerous. Sometimes, riders are crazy.'

'The Isle of Man is very difficult. If you make a mistake, maybe it’s the last mistake.'


But he didn't say ban it. Loudon/Laconia/NH Motor Speedway (whatever you want to call it) was boycotted by Mladin and other pro riders one year due to lack of safety and it is no longer on the AMA/Moto America schedule, but the IOM is its own thing. I have some friends who go spectate every few years and say there is nothing like it.
I was so pissed at that crybaby Mladin for ruining the Louden Classic. I hope that pedo loser dies a horrific, painful death in exile.
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MXMattii 6/14/2022 3:32pm
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troymoto2 wrote:
I was so pissed at that crybaby Mladin for ruining the Louden Classic. I hope that pedo loser dies a horrific, painful death in exile.
I'm not gonna call people names, but isn't it a bit the same with the great Daytona 200 that used to be a AMA Superbike race but due to tire problems and safety they changed it to a 600cc race (first non-American Moto) now official championship race if I'm not mistaken.

But in this day and age you could create a safe track in Loudon with air fences, safety barriers, ... same with Daytona. Those Superbike races participial on an speedway/oval was something special! Also if you look at British Superbikes and the tracks they race... Some of them aren't super safe either with a jump in it for example...
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Alan Dove 6/14/2022 3:57pm
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MXMattii wrote:
I'm not gonna call people names, but isn't it a bit the same with the great Daytona 200 that used to be a AMA Superbike race...
I'm not gonna call people names, but isn't it a bit the same with the great Daytona 200 that used to be a AMA Superbike race but due to tire problems and safety they changed it to a 600cc race (first non-American Moto) now official championship race if I'm not mistaken.

But in this day and age you could create a safe track in Loudon with air fences, safety barriers, ... same with Daytona. Those Superbike races participial on an speedway/oval was something special! Also if you look at British Superbikes and the tracks they race... Some of them aren't super safe either with a jump in it for example...
Cadwell (with the jump), Oulton Park, and Brands Hatch.
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