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How does one of the biggest markets in the country for motocross not get ONE pro round? You have florida, plenty of facilities that would work in SC, Alabama, muddy creek in Tennessee..
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crowe660 6/5/2022 11:53am
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It’s too hot.
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Logan_Ryall 6/5/2022 12:38pm
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crowe660 wrote:
It’s too hot.
No it’s not. Lame excuse. Redbud is blazing in July
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swe292 6/5/2022 1:32pm
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Gatorback would be perfect but I don’t think that’s an option anymore unfortunately. Muddy creek is great amateur track but too narrow and one-lined imo. Monster mountain facility isn’t big enough imo. Ww track is cool but I imagine not good spectator track. Never been there though.

Edit. Now that I think of it. Two day format would be perfect for southeast National if heat is an issue. Practice Saturday race Sunday.
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JustMX 6/5/2022 2:16pm
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What an innovative and fresh topic.

It is hard to believe that there haven't been many, many articulate and informative discussions as to the possibile reasons there is no mx national in the southeast.

I am curious if there have been any discussions about the lack of a mx national in texas as well.
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Landonious217 6/5/2022 2:44pm
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Swan MX in Tyler, TX is a beautiful facility with incredible dirt and great for spectators.
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Logan_Ryall 6/5/2022 3:20pm
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swe292 wrote:
Gatorback would be perfect but I don’t think that’s an option anymore unfortunately. Muddy creek is great amateur track but too narrow and one-lined imo. Monster...
Gatorback would be perfect but I don’t think that’s an option anymore unfortunately. Muddy creek is great amateur track but too narrow and one-lined imo. Monster mountain facility isn’t big enough imo. Ww track is cool but I imagine not good spectator track. Never been there though.

Edit. Now that I think of it. Two day format would be perfect for southeast National if heat is an issue. Practice Saturday race Sunday.
I don’t see how it’s a heat issue. They all train in central florida. The swamp. As far as muddy creek goes, it’s not the best pro track but it always provided great racing when there imo. Better than fox raceway
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its been a topic for many years. the gulf region has been deemed too hot and humid and has presented itself as a health risk for riders to be out for 2 motos.

when they ran florida it was during spring but when they raced in texas during june some riders were on verge of heat injuries.

also of note Josh lichlte died of a head stroke in 2011 and it was in Michigan where its not near as hot as the southern region.
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captmoto 6/5/2022 3:24pm
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It costs a lot of money to get a sanction and costs a ton to upgrade a facility to hold a national. The track itself is the easy part.
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Leeham 6/5/2022 3:26pm
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It seems people who live in the SE, are the majority of people asking for one. BUT its probably not gonna happen. Gonna have to drive/fly to one if you wanna watch.
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Logan_Ryall 6/5/2022 3:39pm
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Phillip_Lamb wrote:
its been a topic for many years. the gulf region has been deemed too hot and humid and has presented itself as a health risk for...
its been a topic for many years. the gulf region has been deemed too hot and humid and has presented itself as a health risk for riders to be out for 2 motos.

when they ran florida it was during spring but when they raced in texas during june some riders were on verge of heat injuries.

also of note Josh lichlte died of a head stroke in 2011 and it was in Michigan where its not near as hot as the southern region.
They literally train in central florida for this exact reason. So that they’re prepared for all conditions.
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chasetwo79 6/5/2022 3:40pm
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At this point I think it’s more likely we see world SX rounds in the Southeast than an AMA national.
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Brownie281 6/5/2022 3:48pm
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May 16th Pulp show with DC had a caller ask him exactly this. Why no Texas or Florida rounds and he has stated because of the heat. He delves more into detail about facilities like red bud (july 4th weekend is a staple) and some of the other reasons but eluded to it being specifically a heat problem.
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Brownie281 wrote:
May 16th Pulp show with DC had a caller ask him exactly this. Why no Texas or Florida rounds and he has stated because of the...
May 16th Pulp show with DC had a caller ask him exactly this. Why no Texas or Florida rounds and he has stated because of the heat. He delves more into detail about facilities like red bud (july 4th weekend is a staple) and some of the other reasons but eluded to it being specifically a heat problem.
That is BS but we have 2 nationals on planet Pala in a 12 race series ???? Come on DC don't let the outdoors dies because we can't score new tracks to make things interesting.
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bite_the_curb 6/5/2022 5:15pm
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That is BS but we have 2 nationals on planet Pala in a 12 race series ???? Come on DC don't let the outdoors dies because...
That is BS but we have 2 nationals on planet Pala in a 12 race series ???? Come on DC don't let the outdoors dies because we can't score new tracks to make things interesting.
the humididity is something that doesnt really exist in socal like it does in the south

they ought to run a national in the south in september
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Logan_Ryall 6/5/2022 5:19pm
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mb60 wrote:
That is BS but we have 2 nationals on planet Pala in a 12 race series ???? Come on DC don't let the outdoors dies because...
That is BS but we have 2 nationals on planet Pala in a 12 race series ???? Come on DC don't let the outdoors dies because we can't score new tracks to make things interesting.
bite_the_curb wrote:
the humididity is something that doesnt really exist in socal like it does in the south they ought to run a national in the south in...
the humididity is something that doesnt really exist in socal like it does in the south

they ought to run a national in the south in september
Once again, the riders literally train in 95 degree temps with 90% humidity. I don’t buy it
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bite_the_curb 6/5/2022 5:31pm
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Logan_Ryall wrote:
Once again, the riders literally train in 95 degree temps with 90% humidity. I don’t buy it
i would suggest listening to the whiskey throttle podcast with guy cooper and listen very closely to the segment about when he owned cooperland and how he tried to host a national there

you'll get your answer to this thread.
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mb60 6/5/2022 5:36pm
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bite_the_curb wrote:
the humididity is something that doesnt really exist in socal like it does in the south they ought to run a national in the south in...
the humididity is something that doesnt really exist in socal like it does in the south

they ought to run a national in the south in september
Texas could be the last national on the way back west in the series. I don't by the weather factor at all. They ran national races in Texas in the 70 and 80 years. The same way they have 2 nationals at Pala. I'm sorry but that does not fly as popular as tracks are at the amateur level
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JustMX wrote:
What an innovative and fresh topic. It is hard to believe that there haven't been many, many articulate and informative discussions as to the possibile reasons...
What an innovative and fresh topic.

It is hard to believe that there haven't been many, many articulate and informative discussions as to the possibile reasons there is no mx national in the southeast.

I am curious if there have been any discussions about the lack of a mx national in texas as well.
Moto Joe,
I always enjoy your response's!
Always classic!
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Cygrace74 6/5/2022 6:13pm
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Idk southwick 2018 or 2019 was 98 degrees and humid and riders and spectators had heat stroke. I’ve lived in Florida and of course the south is a guarantee to be hot, but any July or August National can be hot as hell
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HD1200 6/5/2022 6:24pm
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Logan_Ryall wrote:
Once again, the riders literally train in 95 degree temps with 90% humidity. I don’t buy it
bite_the_curb wrote:
i would suggest listening to the whiskey throttle podcast with guy cooper and listen very closely to the segment about when he owned cooperland and how...
i would suggest listening to the whiskey throttle podcast with guy cooper and listen very closely to the segment about when he owned cooperland and how he tried to host a national there

you'll get your answer to this thread.
Now I have to listen to 4 hours of a podcast to get the answer? They hold races here in Ga, they hold races in Fla and Al, I'm with Logan, it's a crock. They can do something to accommodate the rides. I understand the risk but the risk is essentially the same in other states. Wear camel backs like the 800 used to do. I grew up here in the south and I know the heat can be brutal but we used to ride all day and not one of us died.
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JustMX 6/5/2022 7:00pm
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swe292 wrote:
Gatorback would be perfect but I don’t think that’s an option anymore unfortunately. Muddy creek is great amateur track but too narrow and one-lined imo. Monster...
Gatorback would be perfect but I don’t think that’s an option anymore unfortunately. Muddy creek is great amateur track but too narrow and one-lined imo. Monster mountain facility isn’t big enough imo. Ww track is cool but I imagine not good spectator track. Never been there though.

Edit. Now that I think of it. Two day format would be perfect for southeast National if heat is an issue. Practice Saturday race Sunday.
Logan_Ryall wrote:
I don’t see how it’s a heat issue. They all train in central florida. The swamp. As far as muddy creek goes, it’s not the best...
I don’t see how it’s a heat issue. They all train in central florida. The swamp. As far as muddy creek goes, it’s not the best pro track but it always provided great racing when there imo. Better than fox raceway
It is not so much the heat affecting the riders as it is spectators not willing to come out to be cooked.

You seem willing to bet that people will come out in the oppressive Florida/Georgia/Alabama heat and humidity, but you aren't playing with real chips.

There is a reason the National isn't in Jacksonville Florida anymore.

I would also argue that getting an outdoor national is not the jackpot that some might think.

I can think of 5 tracks that had them since about 2010 that don't anymore. and would suggest with most it was their decision as much as anybody's.

Texas
Lake Elsinore
Glen Helen
Muddy Creek
WW Ranch in Florida
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JustMX wrote:
It is not so much the heat affecting the riders as it is spectators not willing to come out to be cooked. You seem willing to...
It is not so much the heat affecting the riders as it is spectators not willing to come out to be cooked.

You seem willing to bet that people will come out in the oppressive Florida/Georgia/Alabama heat and humidity, but you aren't playing with real chips.

There is a reason the National isn't in Jacksonville Florida anymore.

I would also argue that getting an outdoor national is not the jackpot that some might think.

I can think of 5 tracks that had them since about 2010 that don't anymore. and would suggest with most it was their decision as much as anybody's.

Texas
Lake Elsinore
Glen Helen
Muddy Creek
WW Ranch in Florida
Guarantee more people would show up to a place like gatorback compared to WW ranch.
LouisianaMotocross 6/5/2022 7:39pm
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They have at least 5-10 tracks in the south that are capable of holding a pro national. It’s just not that simple unfortunately even if you remove the heat factor.
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JustMX wrote:
It is not so much the heat affecting the riders as it is spectators not willing to come out to be cooked. You seem willing to...
It is not so much the heat affecting the riders as it is spectators not willing to come out to be cooked.

You seem willing to bet that people will come out in the oppressive Florida/Georgia/Alabama heat and humidity, but you aren't playing with real chips.

There is a reason the National isn't in Jacksonville Florida anymore.

I would also argue that getting an outdoor national is not the jackpot that some might think.

I can think of 5 tracks that had them since about 2010 that don't anymore. and would suggest with most it was their decision as much as anybody's.

Texas
Lake Elsinore
Glen Helen
Muddy Creek
WW Ranch in Florida
swe292 wrote:
Guarantee more people would show up to a place like gatorback compared to WW ranch.
Gatorback is not a good facility for viewing at a national level. The view from the fence is great and will handle a Mini-O crowd but a national would be shit for viewing with so many people. If they could open up the infield but it would most likely take a lot of earth moving to flatten and make it walkable etc.

As far as WW Ranch I attended every national and the MXGP there. It was blazing hot. The first year national I had my camper there and halfway through Thursday my generator couldn't keep up with the air conditioner and I had to go buy a new one. My dog would have cooked in the camper. As far as the facility, they made improvements every year and, in my mind if it would have stayed on the schedule for ten years it would not take a back seat to any facility in the country. As far as the riders, that is where Sexton cooked himself wining the first moto and DNS the second and Roczen threw the anchor out in the second moto after getting 2nd in the first.

Bring back the orphan national but hold it at WW Ranch.
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Motohead279 6/5/2022 10:14pm
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I was at the GP and the national. The first National was brutally hot to sit out there all day as a spectator. The last year said screw that and watched it on TV.
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Motohead279 wrote:
I was at the GP and the national. The first National was brutally hot to sit out there all day as a spectator. The last year...
I was at the GP and the national. The first National was brutally hot to sit out there all day as a spectator. The last year said screw that and watched it on TV.
This. I am born and raised in Florida and no one wants to go to an outdoor event in Summer, during the day, that doesn’t have water
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If Club MX combine their front track and OG sand track, you would have one of the best tracks in the country.

I honestly think besides a grandstand, they have everything else. Facilities, parking, location from Charlotte airport.

If you've been to their property, you know what Im talking about, its EPIC!

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Motohead279 wrote:
I was at the GP and the national. The first National was brutally hot to sit out there all day as a spectator. The last year...
I was at the GP and the national. The first National was brutally hot to sit out there all day as a spectator. The last year said screw that and watched it on TV.
chasetwo79 wrote:
This. I am born and raised in Florida and no one wants to go to an outdoor event in Summer, during the day, that doesn’t have...
This. I am born and raised in Florida and no one wants to go to an outdoor event in Summer, during the day, that doesn’t have water
Disney is sold out every day in the summer.
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chasetwo79 6/6/2022 8:33am
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Motohead279 wrote:
I was at the GP and the national. The first National was brutally hot to sit out there all day as a spectator. The last year...
I was at the GP and the national. The first National was brutally hot to sit out there all day as a spectator. The last year said screw that and watched it on TV.
chasetwo79 wrote:
This. I am born and raised in Florida and no one wants to go to an outdoor event in Summer, during the day, that doesn’t have...
This. I am born and raised in Florida and no one wants to go to an outdoor event in Summer, during the day, that doesn’t have water
Logan_Ryall wrote:
Disney is sold out every day in the summer.
And they go in and out of air conditioned buildings all day. Eat in air conditioned restaurants. Also if you’ve ever been to Disney in Florida in the summer you’ll also know it is fucking awful too.

Also, pro athletes aren’t competing at Disney in summer in the heat.
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