Forkner and Varize Collision Replay

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Joey_Bridges 4/23/2022 1:52pm
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No way that was on Varize.
A flying dive bomb into the center of the corner.
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aeffertz 4/23/2022 1:53pm
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Not that smart to cut over on the landing if you double a triple. I believe we saw something very similar with Friese earlier this year, though it could’ve been someone else.

But the race line was to triple into the corner. Not double on the right and cut to the left on the landing. Bad move by Varize, IMO.
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aeffertz wrote:
Not that smart to cut over on the landing if you double a triple. I believe we saw something very similar with Friese earlier this year...
Not that smart to cut over on the landing if you double a triple. I believe we saw something very similar with Friese earlier this year, though it could’ve been someone else.

But the race line was to triple into the corner. Not double on the right and cut to the left on the landing. Bad move by Varize, IMO.
💯, gotta be smarter there if you’re Varize
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The problem with Varize was, he thought only Chiz was behind him. He never realized that Forkner was coming up so fast on them, otherwise he would have take notice IMO.

Forkner on the other side took the gamble and risk, sometimes you get the bad end. 2nd or 3rd in a heat doesn’t really matter either..
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moto162 4/23/2022 2:47pm
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Bad on variez to move over at that point. Bad on forkner trying to thread the needle for one better gate pick. Looks like Forkner OJd a lil bit to.
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thewrizzle 4/23/2022 4:31pm
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That’s like 95% Varize and 5% Forkner.
Forkner could have been more patient but he was in the race line.
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tomlopez 4/23/2022 4:34pm
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Forkner has been responsible for most of his crashes over the years, but it does seem like he's been cursed this season, even though his unforced errors are less frequent. Thank God he wasn't injured again.
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Zycki11 4/23/2022 5:36pm
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Forkner was racing forward and was already committed to the left side of the whoops. When you have that speed you don't slam on the brakes to double/single when you see Chisolm go up the inside on the same line. Varize darted like an idiot to the inside like he was going to pass Chisolm back. Racing incident yes, but stupidity was involved and it wasn't Austins lack of patience in this instance.
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mxracer816 4/25/2022 7:38pm
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Just watched the replay, I undoubtedly saw it differently than you guys. Forkner left the face of that triple in 3rd place, there was NO WAY he was turning before the top line on the OUTSIDE of the track. Varize definitely made a bad call and turned early, but forkner was gonna hit him even if Varize followed the outside line through the berm IMO. Horrible decision by Forkner for literally zero gains.
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LungButter 4/25/2022 8:55pm
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mxracer816 wrote:
Just watched the replay, I undoubtedly saw it differently than you guys. Forkner left the face of that triple in 3rd place, there was NO WAY...
Just watched the replay, I undoubtedly saw it differently than you guys. Forkner left the face of that triple in 3rd place, there was NO WAY he was turning before the top line on the OUTSIDE of the track. Varize definitely made a bad call and turned early, but forkner was gonna hit him even if Varize followed the outside line through the berm IMO. Horrible decision by Forkner for literally zero gains.
Except if Forkner makes the pass happen he LITERALLY gets a better gate pick for the main.

So he LITERALLY did have something to gain.

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Magoofan 4/25/2022 9:53pm
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Just glad neither got injured.... that looked gnarly.
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Nathaniel129 4/25/2022 10:56pm
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mxracer816 wrote:
Just watched the replay, I undoubtedly saw it differently than you guys. Forkner left the face of that triple in 3rd place, there was NO WAY...
Just watched the replay, I undoubtedly saw it differently than you guys. Forkner left the face of that triple in 3rd place, there was NO WAY he was turning before the top line on the OUTSIDE of the track. Varize definitely made a bad call and turned early, but forkner was gonna hit him even if Varize followed the outside line through the berm IMO. Horrible decision by Forkner for literally zero gains.
Some of you guys have never raced at a decent level and it shows.

Forkner is committed to that triple as he's exiting the whoops, and there is no way he should have anticipated Varize turning down that hard.

Watch it again, if Varize doesn't cut over and holds his outside line, Forkner goes by. Maybe there is some contact but that's fine for a better gate pick.

I typically can't stand Forkner, by the way, so I'm not a fanboy defending his guy. In the moment watching those last couple laps, I was actually REALLY hoping Varize would hold on for the win. Would have been a cool moment for him.
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Varize’s fault, but there was going to be contact either way. Forkner over jumped the landing and wouldn’t have been able to make a clean pass, even if Varize held his line further out.
Good to see Forkner getting back in the mix, however he’s got to be smarter than that to be a title contender. It was only a heat race after all.
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Juck 4/26/2022 12:04am
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CPR wrote:
Varize’s fault, but there was going to be contact either way. Forkner over jumped the landing and wouldn’t have been able to make a clean pass...
Varize’s fault, but there was going to be contact either way. Forkner over jumped the landing and wouldn’t have been able to make a clean pass, even if Varize held his line further out.
Good to see Forkner getting back in the mix, however he’s got to be smarter than that to be a title contender. It was only a heat race after all.
Well Forkner isn't a title contender this season, so he doesn't have much to lose. I think he's just trying to show that he still has the speed to run up front, heat race or not.
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Crush 4/26/2022 12:10am
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It's on Varize but I can't say i'm surprised Austin wasn't a little more patient..

The kid just got passed back for his first potential heat win, he might try the inside on the last corner... Austin is just back from injury, you want to do well and stay healthy for outdoors right? Maybe check up. It was just a heat and only worth a gate pick or so for the main.

He's fast as hell but the racecraft...
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thewrizzle 4/26/2022 12:36am
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CPR wrote:
Varize’s fault, but there was going to be contact either way. Forkner over jumped the landing and wouldn’t have been able to make a clean pass...
Varize’s fault, but there was going to be contact either way. Forkner over jumped the landing and wouldn’t have been able to make a clean pass, even if Varize held his line further out.
Good to see Forkner getting back in the mix, however he’s got to be smarter than that to be a title contender. It was only a heat race after all.
Juck wrote:
Well Forkner isn't a title contender this season, so he doesn't have much to lose. I think he's just trying to show that he still has...
Well Forkner isn't a title contender this season, so he doesn't have much to lose. I think he's just trying to show that he still has the speed to run up front, heat race or not.
Why wasn’t Forkner a title contender this year?
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Richy 4/26/2022 12:37am
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Varize did come over crazy early, but looked like it was purely to try and get back at the inside of Chiz? Is this not his right when fighting for position and a (heat) win? We're talking about him like he was a lapper doing unpredictable stuff without a reason.

It was unlucky for both of them, it's just racing imo, calling it Varize's fault kinda takes away from him having his own battle to fight. Did he not have as much right to double and move over to try and get back in front as Forkner did to try and make his move? Granted Forkner's was the conventional line.

Seriously asking.
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Juck 4/26/2022 12:45am
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CPR wrote:
Varize’s fault, but there was going to be contact either way. Forkner over jumped the landing and wouldn’t have been able to make a clean pass...
Varize’s fault, but there was going to be contact either way. Forkner over jumped the landing and wouldn’t have been able to make a clean pass, even if Varize held his line further out.
Good to see Forkner getting back in the mix, however he’s got to be smarter than that to be a title contender. It was only a heat race after all.
Juck wrote:
Well Forkner isn't a title contender this season, so he doesn't have much to lose. I think he's just trying to show that he still has...
Well Forkner isn't a title contender this season, so he doesn't have much to lose. I think he's just trying to show that he still has the speed to run up front, heat race or not.
thewrizzle wrote:
Why wasn’t Forkner a title contender this year?
He was, he isn't anymore and the reason he isn't ironically enough is that someone else wasn't riding smart.
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mxracer816 4/26/2022 1:59am
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mxracer816 wrote:
Just watched the replay, I undoubtedly saw it differently than you guys. Forkner left the face of that triple in 3rd place, there was NO WAY...
Just watched the replay, I undoubtedly saw it differently than you guys. Forkner left the face of that triple in 3rd place, there was NO WAY he was turning before the top line on the OUTSIDE of the track. Varize definitely made a bad call and turned early, but forkner was gonna hit him even if Varize followed the outside line through the berm IMO. Horrible decision by Forkner for literally zero gains.
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Some of you guys have never raced at a decent level and it shows. Forkner is committed to that triple as he's exiting the whoops, and...
Some of you guys have never raced at a decent level and it shows.

Forkner is committed to that triple as he's exiting the whoops, and there is no way he should have anticipated Varize turning down that hard.

Watch it again, if Varize doesn't cut over and holds his outside line, Forkner goes by. Maybe there is some contact but that's fine for a better gate pick.

I typically can't stand Forkner, by the way, so I'm not a fanboy defending his guy. In the moment watching those last couple laps, I was actually REALLY hoping Varize would hold on for the win. Would have been a cool moment for him.
So the leader of the race needs to have eyes in the back of his head because forkner was "committed"? I said there was blame on both sides, if you think the responsibility to not get dive bombed is on Varize then it definitely shows you have never ridden at "decent level" or have never been throat punched for pulling such a dumb move on someone. I don't need to verify my skills on a bike to you to or anyone. My opinion is Austin made an impatient, childish move and took himself and a guy that was STOKED to be leading his first heat race out, be different if it wasn't his MO throughout his entire career. Kid makes shit split second decisions almost every race. That's why he doesn't have a title. Has the speed, but not the ability to ride smart and stay on two wheels.
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scott_nz 4/26/2022 2:09am
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Richy wrote:
Varize did come over crazy early, but looked like it was purely to try and get back at the inside of Chiz? Is this not his...
Varize did come over crazy early, but looked like it was purely to try and get back at the inside of Chiz? Is this not his right when fighting for position and a (heat) win? We're talking about him like he was a lapper doing unpredictable stuff without a reason.

It was unlucky for both of them, it's just racing imo, calling it Varize's fault kinda takes away from him having his own battle to fight. Did he not have as much right to double and move over to try and get back in front as Forkner did to try and make his move? Granted Forkner's was the conventional line.

Seriously asking.
It’s just as bad as cross jumping he went from full rh side to full left while not jumping the triple all leaders where doing through the day. It’s on him
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Camp332 4/26/2022 5:20am
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Hopefully Forkner learned this lesson again, and it actually sticks in his head this time.
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Nathaniel129 4/26/2022 8:44am
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mxracer816 wrote:
So the leader of the race needs to have eyes in the back of his head because forkner was "committed"? I said there was blame on...
So the leader of the race needs to have eyes in the back of his head because forkner was "committed"? I said there was blame on both sides, if you think the responsibility to not get dive bombed is on Varize then it definitely shows you have never ridden at "decent level" or have never been throat punched for pulling such a dumb move on someone. I don't need to verify my skills on a bike to you to or anyone. My opinion is Austin made an impatient, childish move and took himself and a guy that was STOKED to be leading his first heat race out, be different if it wasn't his MO throughout his entire career. Kid makes shit split second decisions almost every race. That's why he doesn't have a title. Has the speed, but not the ability to ride smart and stay on two wheels.
If you are going to ride nearly perpendicular to the track, then yes you better be absolutely sure there isn't someone in THE RACING LINE. If Forkner was taking some crazy angle then yes he should take some of the blame, but he wasn't. He took the same exact line Chisholm took.

Forkner has made terrible decisions, many times. This wasn't one of them.
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ProKawi24 4/26/2022 9:21am
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As soon as I saw him slam into the berm I thought oh fk there goes his collarbone again. Thankfully he wasn't injured, really want to see what he can do outdoors this year being healthy and up to speed.
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mxracer816 4/26/2022 9:42am
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mxracer816 wrote:
So the leader of the race needs to have eyes in the back of his head because forkner was "committed"? I said there was blame on...
So the leader of the race needs to have eyes in the back of his head because forkner was "committed"? I said there was blame on both sides, if you think the responsibility to not get dive bombed is on Varize then it definitely shows you have never ridden at "decent level" or have never been throat punched for pulling such a dumb move on someone. I don't need to verify my skills on a bike to you to or anyone. My opinion is Austin made an impatient, childish move and took himself and a guy that was STOKED to be leading his first heat race out, be different if it wasn't his MO throughout his entire career. Kid makes shit split second decisions almost every race. That's why he doesn't have a title. Has the speed, but not the ability to ride smart and stay on two wheels.
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If you are going to ride nearly perpendicular to the track, then yes you better be absolutely sure there isn't someone in THE RACING LINE. If...
If you are going to ride nearly perpendicular to the track, then yes you better be absolutely sure there isn't someone in THE RACING LINE. If Forkner was taking some crazy angle then yes he should take some of the blame, but he wasn't. He took the same exact line Chisholm took.

Forkner has made terrible decisions, many times. This wasn't one of them.
He was 5' farther inside than Chisholm, if he lands that trip and can make the inside rut then everything fine, my issue is that he can not stop or turn until he slams someone or gets to the very outside line at the top of the berm. If Austin could hold the inside line there's absolutely no issue, but guess what you can't triple in and go inside, if you tripled you have to go middle or higher in the berm. Period.
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mxracer816 wrote:
So the leader of the race needs to have eyes in the back of his head because forkner was "committed"? I said there was blame on...
So the leader of the race needs to have eyes in the back of his head because forkner was "committed"? I said there was blame on both sides, if you think the responsibility to not get dive bombed is on Varize then it definitely shows you have never ridden at "decent level" or have never been throat punched for pulling such a dumb move on someone. I don't need to verify my skills on a bike to you to or anyone. My opinion is Austin made an impatient, childish move and took himself and a guy that was STOKED to be leading his first heat race out, be different if it wasn't his MO throughout his entire career. Kid makes shit split second decisions almost every race. That's why he doesn't have a title. Has the speed, but not the ability to ride smart and stay on two wheels.
Nathaniel129 wrote:
If you are going to ride nearly perpendicular to the track, then yes you better be absolutely sure there isn't someone in THE RACING LINE. If...
If you are going to ride nearly perpendicular to the track, then yes you better be absolutely sure there isn't someone in THE RACING LINE. If Forkner was taking some crazy angle then yes he should take some of the blame, but he wasn't. He took the same exact line Chisholm took.

Forkner has made terrible decisions, many times. This wasn't one of them.
mxracer816 wrote:
He was 5' farther inside than Chisholm, if he lands that trip and can make the inside rut then everything fine, my issue is that he...
He was 5' farther inside than Chisholm, if he lands that trip and can make the inside rut then everything fine, my issue is that he can not stop or turn until he slams someone or gets to the very outside line at the top of the berm. If Austin could hold the inside line there's absolutely no issue, but guess what you can't triple in and go inside, if you tripled you have to go middle or higher in the berm. Period.
He was 5' further because he had to be to avoid running up Varizes tailpipe. If Varize holds his line Forkner likely goes to the top of that berm with zero contact between the two. Watch the replay, Varize is barely moving... Forkner would have been long gone before Varize hit that section of the berm.
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Nathaniel129 4/26/2022 9:51am
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mxracer816 wrote:
He was 5' farther inside than Chisholm, if he lands that trip and can make the inside rut then everything fine, my issue is that he...
He was 5' farther inside than Chisholm, if he lands that trip and can make the inside rut then everything fine, my issue is that he can not stop or turn until he slams someone or gets to the very outside line at the top of the berm. If Austin could hold the inside line there's absolutely no issue, but guess what you can't triple in and go inside, if you tripled you have to go middle or higher in the berm. Period.
5 feet, huh? He's in the exact same line as Chisholm. He did land a little long, but we'll never know if he was making the same rut as Chisholm because Varize put his bike in the way.

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Gworm 4/26/2022 9:59am
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mxracer816 wrote:
He was 5' farther inside than Chisholm, if he lands that trip and can make the inside rut then everything fine, my issue is that he...
He was 5' farther inside than Chisholm, if he lands that trip and can make the inside rut then everything fine, my issue is that he can not stop or turn until he slams someone or gets to the very outside line at the top of the berm. If Austin could hold the inside line there's absolutely no issue, but guess what you can't triple in and go inside, if you tripled you have to go middle or higher in the berm. Period.
There is no way Varize could have got Chiz back taking the line he took.

There was no way Austin could have predicted Varize would turn nearly 90deg to the direction of the track, taking probably the slowest way to get around that corner.

There is no way Austin could avoid the collision since he was in the air when Varize decided to try that line. I would guess that was the first and only time all night anyone took that line. That was worse than a cross jump in my opinion.

But yeah, let’s go with it's Austin’s fault.
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