So......Bobrychev "wanted " to race the USA Nationals.......but...

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Bobrychev is a capable, healthy adult. He's wealthy, secure, and safe. There's zero reason to worry for him.

Anyone who tells you that you need to be concerned about Russian athletes, is distracting you for their own political or financial gain. Don't fall for it.

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NATEP231 wrote:
So when will we start to see the ban of American riders world wide? [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/04/07/542410/s1200_311E6584_06D8_4B62_AD1A_5AF2F91CD4FF.jpg[/img]
So when will we start to see the ban of American riders world wide?

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If you haven't noticed from recent video. NO AMERICAN acknowledges Biden as the US President.
If you haven't noticed from recent video. NO AMERICAN acknowledges Biden as the US President.
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You’re wrong, it’s just the idiots who believe the election was stolen who don’t.
An avowed Canadian Trudeau supporter calling Americans idiots. You can’t make this stuff up folks!
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Roczoff wrote:
Bobrychev is a capable, healthy adult. He's wealthy, secure, and safe. There's zero reason to worry for him. Anyone who tells you that you need to...
Bobrychev is a capable, healthy adult. He's wealthy, secure, and safe. There's zero reason to worry for him.

Anyone who tells you that you need to be concerned about Russian athletes, is distracting you for their own political or financial gain. Don't fall for it.

Who’s worried?
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So everyone here that is for banning Russian athletes also thinks that internment camps for Japanese Americans was the correct move?
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So everyone here that is for banning Russian athletes also thinks that internment camps for Japanese Americans was the correct move?
Let’s bring up 80 years ago? Guess we should still be penalizing Germany for the Holocaust?

Please, enlighten me with your thinking?
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So everyone here that is for banning Russian athletes also thinks that internment camps for Japanese Americans was the correct move?
Muttly wrote:
Let’s bring up 80 years ago? Guess we should still be penalizing Germany for the Holocaust?

Please, enlighten me with your thinking?
I think they must have left the door unlocked in Non Moto. Maybe they gave you a day pass.
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So everyone here that is for banning Russian athletes also thinks that internment camps for Japanese Americans was the correct move?
Muttly wrote:
Let’s bring up 80 years ago? Guess we should still be penalizing Germany for the Holocaust?

Please, enlighten me with your thinking?
swordfish wrote:
I think they must have left the door unlocked in Non Moto. Maybe they gave you a day pass.
It’s kind of a slow news day in Non-Moto. Wandered over here and having browsed some threads and replies, I feel dumberer!
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So everyone here that is for banning Russian athletes also thinks that internment camps for Japanese Americans was the correct move?
This is a dumb take.

Russians haven't attacked US soil and we're not rounding them up and putting them in camps, and it's also not the US government deciding these athletes are not allowed to compete.

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Man Bobry.. Always been one off mine favorite riders. This one is tough on them as also other Russian GP/EMX Riders.

Hate to say it, but this War will continue for awhile and sadly enough his Pro career will be over, as they won’t remove that rule or simply put a big finger to the FIM and let him line up at the Nationals.
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If he was smart he’d be applying for, “asylum”.
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So everyone here that is for banning Russian athletes also thinks that internment camps for Japanese Americans was the correct move?
Muttly wrote:
Let’s bring up 80 years ago? Guess we should still be penalizing Germany for the Holocaust?

Please, enlighten me with your thinking?
That's my point. No we should not and common citizens who aren't bad actors shouldn't be punished for misdeeds of their country in this way. Sanctions within their country are one thing, cherry picking random people outside of said country who have absolutely nothing to do with their countries policies is a whole nothing thing.

The first company to start doing business or not be publicly 100% opposed to Russia is going to get eviscerated worldwide so that country will inevitably become an isolated country doing business with worse actors around the world. I'm not sure why after the Soviet Union fell that the west still despised them and made them out to be the bad guy of the world. Would we be in the same situation today? Maybe, but it seems less likely. The whole point of NATO is to flex and show strength toward Russia. Why wasn't it disbanded in 1991 after the fall? It's a pact of aggression. I'm not that well versed in Russia geo politics but I've never understood some of the narrative I've grown up with in regards to Russia.
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Lots of folk who dont grasp the basic concept of war here... but that is hardly surprising. .

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So everyone here that is for banning Russian athletes also thinks that internment camps for Japanese Americans was the correct move?
Muttly wrote:
Let’s bring up 80 years ago? Guess we should still be penalizing Germany for the Holocaust?

Please, enlighten me with your thinking?
That's my point. No we should not and common citizens who aren't bad actors shouldn't be punished for misdeeds of their country in this way. Sanctions...
That's my point. No we should not and common citizens who aren't bad actors shouldn't be punished for misdeeds of their country in this way. Sanctions within their country are one thing, cherry picking random people outside of said country who have absolutely nothing to do with their countries policies is a whole nothing thing.

The first company to start doing business or not be publicly 100% opposed to Russia is going to get eviscerated worldwide so that country will inevitably become an isolated country doing business with worse actors around the world. I'm not sure why after the Soviet Union fell that the west still despised them and made them out to be the bad guy of the world. Would we be in the same situation today? Maybe, but it seems less likely. The whole point of NATO is to flex and show strength toward Russia. Why wasn't it disbanded in 1991 after the fall? It's a pact of aggression. I'm not that well versed in Russia geo politics but I've never understood some of the narrative I've grown up with in regards to Russia.
Do you have an understanding of Socialism/Communism? Stalin killed 2-3 million of his own people. Just because the USSR fell, didn’t mean that the Russian political machine changed its ways.

If you’re trying to implement a regime change, the best way for that to occur, is from within. That’s done by “sanctions” that inflict pain on the general populace.

Let’s take Afghanistan for example. The Russians controlled their land for 24 years, but couldn’t effect change on the culture or what they believed. The United States did the same thing later, for about the same period of time. True liberation, freedom if you will, is only going to occur from within, by the people with “skin” in the game.

We’re not even discussing the past. We are talking about current affairs. Russia invaded a sovereign nation, with no other intent, but to occupy and control that nation.

It’s not as easy as saying, but so and so is a good guy let him race. Or we need oil, so we’ll buy that. Olympic athletes have boycotted games also. Others haven’t been allowed to compete because of their nations actions.

Unfortunately, we all love MX and want to see the best riders all compete together. The sad truth is though, in the grand scheme of things, real people are dying, and MX really isn’t all that important.
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Think Stalin killed way more than that. And this is also not a simple black and white "Russia evil" situation. Ukraine is a strategic point in Europe that both sides have been messing with for at least the past decade. Before 2014, they had a Russian-leaning government and our CIA overthrew it.... Russia thinks, if Ukraine goes Nato, US is within a few hundred miles of Moscow. This is simply two of the biggest kids on the block fighting over an important piece of land.

Relating back to EB, the FIM are a bunch of virtue signaling pussies, and it is ridiculous what they have done. Not much more to say than that. FIM has always been a complete pain in the dick. They don't care about the war, they just want cool kid points.
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jeffro503 wrote:
BTW....UFC , Hockey , ect.....aren't banning Russian athletes.
Why is our sport doing it?
UFC is actually one of the worst companies out there. Look at their fighter pay out. They are associated with some shady people. Money rules everything and people love entertainment at any cost.
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swe292 wrote:
Think Stalin killed way more than that. And this is also not a simple black and white "Russia evil" situation. Ukraine is a strategic point in...
Think Stalin killed way more than that. And this is also not a simple black and white "Russia evil" situation. Ukraine is a strategic point in Europe that both sides have been messing with for at least the past decade. Before 2014, they had a Russian-leaning government and our CIA overthrew it.... Russia thinks, if Ukraine goes Nato, US is within a few hundred miles of Moscow. This is simply two of the biggest kids on the block fighting over an important piece of land.

Relating back to EB, the FIM are a bunch of virtue signaling pussies, and it is ridiculous what they have done. Not much more to say than that. FIM has always been a complete pain in the dick. They don't care about the war, they just want cool kid points.
I’m attempting to not go full Non-Moto in this thread, but oh well. Joe and Hunter were/are nose deep in Ukrainian business. First Trump impeachment, threatening to with hold Ukrainian Foreign Aide, unless the Biden Burisma ties were investigated. Ukraine joining NATO, yeah, that’s piss the Russians off as bad as it did the US when they were moving nukes to Cuba; if you care to remember, “The Bay of Pigs” and “The Cuban Missile Crisis”.

Yes, government/politician/CIA meddling has never worked out real well. Iraq, because we hated Iran more. Nicaraguan Contra scandal. Panamanian Manuel Noriega, the Mujaheddin/Taliban et al;.

Now, innocent Ukrainians are dying! That’s what sucks.

I’m going to duck out of here before my friend, ML512, has to sideline me because I forced his hand!

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jeffro503 wrote:
BTW....UFC , Hockey , ect.....aren't banning Russian athletes.
Why is our sport doing it?
JMR1976 wrote:
UFC is actually one of the worst companies out there. Look at their fighter pay out. They are associated with some shady people. Money rules everything...
UFC is actually one of the worst companies out there. Look at their fighter pay out. They are associated with some shady people. Money rules everything and people love entertainment at any cost.
If the NHL bans Russians, will they have any one in the net? Grinning
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So why don't American athletes get punished for all the middle eastern kids killed by drones? Or is that okay? The irony here is out of fucking control.
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So why don't American athletes get punished for all the middle eastern kids killed by drones? Or is that okay? The irony here is out of...
So why don't American athletes get punished for all the middle eastern kids killed by drones? Or is that okay? The irony here is out of fucking control.
Ban American riders in a American series, that makes sense. If the Middle East want to ban our riders then fine. They’re more likely to hire our riders to sports wash the situation in their own countries.
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fanger wrote:
So why don't American athletes get punished for all the middle eastern kids killed by drones? Or is that okay? The irony here is out of...
So why don't American athletes get punished for all the middle eastern kids killed by drones? Or is that okay? The irony here is out of fucking control.
I’ve got to turn off email responses.

Are you unaware that shit happens in war? There are mistakes and things go awry. Russian troops are targeting civilians, not by accident, shooting down, men, women, and children like dogs.

We’ve actually got some members giving real life, first hand accounts, not what the media is spoon feeding you. Here, go look for yourself:

https://www.vitalmx.com/forums/Non-Moto,21/UKRAINE,1400783
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fanger wrote:
So why don't American athletes get punished for all the middle eastern kids killed by drones? Or is that okay? The irony here is out of...
So why don't American athletes get punished for all the middle eastern kids killed by drones? Or is that okay? The irony here is out of fucking control.
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I’ve got to turn off email responses. Are you unaware that shit happens in war? There are mistakes and things go awry. Russian troops are targeting...
I’ve got to turn off email responses.

Are you unaware that shit happens in war? There are mistakes and things go awry. Russian troops are targeting civilians, not by accident, shooting down, men, women, and children like dogs.

We’ve actually got some members giving real life, first hand accounts, not what the media is spoon feeding you. Here, go look for yourself:

https://www.vitalmx.com/forums/Non-Moto,21/UKRAINE,1400783
And there has also been reports of Ukrainian soldiers straight up executing Russian prisoners of war.

The main thing we can take out of this conflict is that the powers at he want it to escalate badly. Hard to believe anything. So much disinformation.
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As long as it not funded by Russian money. See Mas Spin
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And there has also been reports of Ukrainian soldiers straight up executing Russian prisoners of war. The main thing we can take out of this conflict...
And there has also been reports of Ukrainian soldiers straight up executing Russian prisoners of war.

The main thing we can take out of this conflict is that the powers at he want it to escalate badly. Hard to believe anything. So much disinformation.
Again, Sir, I concur. There’s been a huge misinformation campaign lodged against the World. It started around the middle of March 2020, if you ask me. Possibly before that, but that’s when I tilted my head and said, “huh”. All kinds of diversionary tactics and attempts to incite violence. The media has proven time and again, they can’t be trusted.

While I hope I’m wrong, my prediction remains, “Batten down the hatches”. I’m not trying to speak in riddles, just scared of getting my membership revoked, again.
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"Virtue Signaling" The rallying cry of those with no virtues who are triggered by people who do.
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Roczoff wrote:
Bobrychev is a capable, healthy adult. He's wealthy, secure, and safe. There's zero reason to worry for him. Anyone who tells you that you need to...
Bobrychev is a capable, healthy adult. He's wealthy, secure, and safe. There's zero reason to worry for him.

Anyone who tells you that you need to be concerned about Russian athletes, is distracting you for their own political or financial gain. Don't fall for it.

Fixed it for ya....

“Anyone who tells you that you need to be concerned about WMDs / climate change / White Supremacy / C19 / Ukraine, is distracting you for their own political or financial gain. Don't fall for it.”
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Some things are way, way bigger and more important than a semi-retired dirt bike riders right to participate in races. Have you seen the pictures and...
Some things are way, way bigger and more important than a semi-retired dirt bike riders right to participate in races.

Have you seen the pictures and read the reports from Bucha?
like what? not changing a thing to stop him from racing. pure bullshit. alot of countries does WORSE things then russia, but hey lets only hate russia because its them.
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Motofinne wrote:
Some things are way, way bigger and more important than a semi-retired dirt bike riders right to participate in races. Have you seen the pictures and...
Some things are way, way bigger and more important than a semi-retired dirt bike riders right to participate in races.

Have you seen the pictures and read the reports from Bucha?
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like what? not changing a thing to stop him from racing. pure bullshit. alot of countries does WORSE things then russia, but hey lets only hate...
like what? not changing a thing to stop him from racing. pure bullshit. alot of countries does WORSE things then russia, but hey lets only hate russia because its them.
Please clarify your position with a list of these alleged countries and WORSE things. Or your point and emotional tirade are moot.
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Muttly wrote:
Please clarify your position with a list of these alleged countries and WORSE things. Or your point and emotional tirade are moot.
Biden’s drone strike of a car full of civilians during the Afghan evac blunder was infinitely worse than Putin’s reaction to Ukraine flirting with joining NATO - something he is more than justified to be upset about.

If the American media wasnt so compromised, that incident in Afghanistan along with many other Biden blunders would’ve gotten JoBama ran out of office. In fact, he never would’ve even gotten elected in the first place because the Hunter Biden / Ukraine scandal wouldnt have been buried during the election campaigns. Which if we’re being honest, the Biden business dealings in Ukraine are the ONLY reason the public are being programmed to give a rats ass.

And the media wont double back because they’re already pot committed to the Biden administration, no matter how ugly it gets.

This is what we get for electing a president the CCP wanted. Whom by the way, those commie bastards are way worse than Putin and they openly hate America.

We got so many issues in this country more important than what the MSM tells us we should care about. I figured the last 2+ years would’ve made that obvious by now.

When we no longer have public school teachers teaching kids to hate America & the Constitution, I MIGHT care about the freedom of some far away eastern euro nowhere. And when our media & politicians can answer basic questions like “what is a woman?” Then maybe I’ll assume they got their heads in the right place when it comes to far more complex issues like diplomacy & sanctions.

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Motofinne wrote:
Some things are way, way bigger and more important than a semi-retired dirt bike riders right to participate in races. Have you seen the pictures and...
Some things are way, way bigger and more important than a semi-retired dirt bike riders right to participate in races.

Have you seen the pictures and read the reports from Bucha?
Hrzk75 wrote:
like what? not changing a thing to stop him from racing. pure bullshit. alot of countries does WORSE things then russia, but hey lets only hate...
like what? not changing a thing to stop him from racing. pure bullshit. alot of countries does WORSE things then russia, but hey lets only hate russia because its them.
Muttly wrote:
Please clarify your position with a list of these alleged countries and WORSE things. Or your point and emotional tirade are moot.
there is alot, even this year.

just google what countries are at war, or check back what happened the last 10 years. why limit what the normal guys from russia can do over this? they got nothing to do with it, and should all countries who start a war receive the same sanctions moving on? good luck usa Smile
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