The Ukraine is in a tight spot

Langston_fan 2/15/2022 5:38am
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Your point about pre-1997 is moot cause it's already in NATO...too late Mr Putin. Furthermore, the state of Russia's military in the 90s is not what it has been for the past 10 years.

I merely stated the current Russian position, which has not changed since Georgia tried the same move back in 2008 (again a combo of fault between false promises from the West and a foolish Georgian president).

Drawing parallels with pre-WW2 can just as easily be done the other way (not that I agree with either). Russia fought a fascist Germany in Ukraine where millions died. Since far-right (real nazis) elements were involved in the Maidan coup, it's not a far stretch to say Ukraine is controlled by Nazis. This is what locals that remember the war believe in Eastern Ukraine. Whether you agree with it or not is irrelevant.

Did I say I was OK with Russia dictating what Ukraine can or cannot do?

I am pragmatic. Ukraine has enormous strategic importance to Russia, therefore joining NATO is perceived as a direct threat to Putin's rule. The West must consider this very carefully cause there will be enormous repercussions if they move ahead with NATO membership. Ukraine would at the very least be flattened...even if article 5 was not honored. If it is honored...then game over for everyone. Hence, I don't think the US has the stomach for this....

Taiwan however....is a very different topic....that one scares me far more than the Ukraine crisis...
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A major concern for Putin is that the Ukraine joins NATO and now Zelensky has publicly said he would like to join NATO. There are three...
A major concern for Putin is that the Ukraine joins NATO and now Zelensky has publicly said he would like to join NATO.

There are three options for Putin. 1. Pack up and go home in shame. 2. Attack and face heavy sanctions and a long drawn out guerilla style war. (Unlikely China would want to get involved)
3. Stay as they are on the borders of Ukraine with continued threats until his demands are met.

Plowboy mentioned a reset. Well, Countries like Russia, China, Cuba and most of Africa need to be sorted out. These are the countries who will most likely stand together in the event if the worst case scenario.

Sub-Sahara Africa is rotten to the core and have sold out to the Chinese and will most likely side with the Russians.

The big reset button will be pushed at some point...and I daresay we have reached the point where it is needed.

swordfish wrote:
The Chinese were just the ones smart enough to capitalize on Africa, they’d sell out to anyone willing to enrich them. Just a slightly different playbook...
The Chinese were just the ones smart enough to capitalize on Africa, they’d sell out to anyone willing to enrich them. Just a slightly different playbook than the traditional western colonialism.
..and now resource rich Afghanistan too, since they don't care about human rights violations.
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No it`s not.

The claim originated in 2019
The source of the claim appears to be an Oct. 6, 2019, tweet by Jack Murphy, co-founder of conservative opinion outlet TrendingPolitics. Murphy's Twitter account was suspended along with the official account for TrendingPolitics in January, according to the website.

"Biden's son, Pelosi's son, Romney's son, Kerry’s son. All are on the board of directors for energy companies doing business in Ukraine… Coincidence? No," the tweet stated,
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I saw a headline today and didn't get a chance to read the story and of course my shit for brains forgot where I saw it. Was there something reported about russian forces leaving certain areas near the border?
GeorgiePorgie 2/15/2022 11:04am
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Could be a big flex to show the world they can mobilize forces, train and pull back. Might neber if had any intention of invading. Just flexin so Ukraine will never be invited into NATO.
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Jeremy A.K. wrote:
I saw a headline today and didn't get a chance to read the story and of course my shit for brains forgot where I saw it...
I saw a headline today and didn't get a chance to read the story and of course my shit for brains forgot where I saw it. Was there something reported about russian forces leaving certain areas near the border?
That`s what spokesperson for RUS military said. There has not been visible movement yet. They are wrapping up drills in Belarus and supossedly finishing drills in Russia. Packing up, getting equipment on trains and returning to their bases. We`ll see. 3 days ago I saw video and pictures of tanks arraiving near border.
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kongols wrote:
No it`s not. The claim originated in 2019 The source of the claim appears to be an Oct. 6, 2019, tweet by Jack Murphy, co-founder of...
No it`s not.

The claim originated in 2019
The source of the claim appears to be an Oct. 6, 2019, tweet by Jack Murphy, co-founder of conservative opinion outlet TrendingPolitics. Murphy's Twitter account was suspended along with the official account for TrendingPolitics in January, according to the website.

"Biden's son, Pelosi's son, Romney's son, Kerry’s son. All are on the board of directors for energy companies doing business in Ukraine… Coincidence? No," the tweet stated,
This is 2022, where people carry on about not being able to trust the MSM…. memes are where the real “truth” is exposed
😂
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kongols wrote:
No it`s not. The claim originated in 2019 The source of the claim appears to be an Oct. 6, 2019, tweet by Jack Murphy, co-founder of...
No it`s not.

The claim originated in 2019
The source of the claim appears to be an Oct. 6, 2019, tweet by Jack Murphy, co-founder of conservative opinion outlet TrendingPolitics. Murphy's Twitter account was suspended along with the official account for TrendingPolitics in January, according to the website.

"Biden's son, Pelosi's son, Romney's son, Kerry’s son. All are on the board of directors for energy companies doing business in Ukraine… Coincidence? No," the tweet stated,
MO 23 wrote:
This is 2022, where people carry on about not being able to trust the MSM…. memes are where the real “truth” is exposed
😂
So are you saying you rely on the MSM?

Do some soul searching, lad.
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kongols wrote:
No it`s not. The claim originated in 2019 The source of the claim appears to be an Oct. 6, 2019, tweet by Jack Murphy, co-founder of...
No it`s not.

The claim originated in 2019
The source of the claim appears to be an Oct. 6, 2019, tweet by Jack Murphy, co-founder of conservative opinion outlet TrendingPolitics. Murphy's Twitter account was suspended along with the official account for TrendingPolitics in January, according to the website.

"Biden's son, Pelosi's son, Romney's son, Kerry’s son. All are on the board of directors for energy companies doing business in Ukraine… Coincidence? No," the tweet stated,
MO 23 wrote:
This is 2022, where people carry on about not being able to trust the MSM…. memes are where the real “truth” is exposed
😂
SEEMEFIRST wrote:
So are you saying you rely on the MSM?

Do some soul searching, lad.
It has its issues, and a level of bias that is not really acceptable.
Truthfully in the world of clickbait and scrambling for views most media is pretty shit these days. But I blame the general society for not holding them to a better standard and just consuming all of the shit.

But yes, I trust the MSM media (especially when the stories have actual named sources and data) more than I trust memes on shitty Facebook pages, YouTube channels, Twitter accounts etc. The meme above is a perfect example. I guess it’s 25% correct and 75% an outright lie. Maybe that is acceptable these days?

However sadly even MSM you have to understand the bias it is coming from, and cut through it a bit.

My point stands, don’t get your news from unsourced memes. If you get your news from social media and anonymous memes, I would say the same to you, do some soul searching lad. 😂
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MO 23 wrote:
This is 2022, where people carry on about not being able to trust the MSM…. memes are where the real “truth” is exposed
😂
SEEMEFIRST wrote:
So are you saying you rely on the MSM?

Do some soul searching, lad.
MO 23 wrote:
It has its issues, and a level of bias that is not really acceptable. Truthfully in the world of clickbait and scrambling for views most media...
It has its issues, and a level of bias that is not really acceptable.
Truthfully in the world of clickbait and scrambling for views most media is pretty shit these days. But I blame the general society for not holding them to a better standard and just consuming all of the shit.

But yes, I trust the MSM media (especially when the stories have actual named sources and data) more than I trust memes on shitty Facebook pages, YouTube channels, Twitter accounts etc. The meme above is a perfect example. I guess it’s 25% correct and 75% an outright lie. Maybe that is acceptable these days?

However sadly even MSM you have to understand the bias it is coming from, and cut through it a bit.

My point stands, don’t get your news from unsourced memes. If you get your news from social media and anonymous memes, I would say the same to you, do some soul searching lad. 😂

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MO 23 wrote:
This is 2022, where people carry on about not being able to trust the MSM…. memes are where the real “truth” is exposed
😂
SEEMEFIRST wrote:
So are you saying you rely on the MSM?

Do some soul searching, lad.
MO 23 wrote:
It has its issues, and a level of bias that is not really acceptable. Truthfully in the world of clickbait and scrambling for views most media...
It has its issues, and a level of bias that is not really acceptable.
Truthfully in the world of clickbait and scrambling for views most media is pretty shit these days. But I blame the general society for not holding them to a better standard and just consuming all of the shit.

But yes, I trust the MSM media (especially when the stories have actual named sources and data) more than I trust memes on shitty Facebook pages, YouTube channels, Twitter accounts etc. The meme above is a perfect example. I guess it’s 25% correct and 75% an outright lie. Maybe that is acceptable these days?

However sadly even MSM you have to understand the bias it is coming from, and cut through it a bit.

My point stands, don’t get your news from unsourced memes. If you get your news from social media and anonymous memes, I would say the same to you, do some soul searching lad. 😂
OK, I am trying to be nice, but if you are listening to the MSM, I think you are being indoctrinated.

Just my opinion.
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SEEMEFIRST wrote:
So are you saying you rely on the MSM?

Do some soul searching, lad.
MO 23 wrote:
It has its issues, and a level of bias that is not really acceptable. Truthfully in the world of clickbait and scrambling for views most media...
It has its issues, and a level of bias that is not really acceptable.
Truthfully in the world of clickbait and scrambling for views most media is pretty shit these days. But I blame the general society for not holding them to a better standard and just consuming all of the shit.

But yes, I trust the MSM media (especially when the stories have actual named sources and data) more than I trust memes on shitty Facebook pages, YouTube channels, Twitter accounts etc. The meme above is a perfect example. I guess it’s 25% correct and 75% an outright lie. Maybe that is acceptable these days?

However sadly even MSM you have to understand the bias it is coming from, and cut through it a bit.

My point stands, don’t get your news from unsourced memes. If you get your news from social media and anonymous memes, I would say the same to you, do some soul searching lad. 😂
SEEMEFIRST wrote:
OK, I am trying to be nice, but if you are listening to the MSM, I think you are being indoctrinated.

Just my opinion.
I've been soaking up all the live streams of the Canada convoy. Hours and hours of unedited video. I have yet to see a swastika or hate of any type. There are people there supporting the protest from all races. They're completely peaceful and friendly. Yet, Justin Trudeau and his MSM paint them as terrorists. It's really unbelieveable.
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SEEMEFIRST wrote:
So are you saying you rely on the MSM?

Do some soul searching, lad.
MO 23 wrote:
It has its issues, and a level of bias that is not really acceptable. Truthfully in the world of clickbait and scrambling for views most media...
It has its issues, and a level of bias that is not really acceptable.
Truthfully in the world of clickbait and scrambling for views most media is pretty shit these days. But I blame the general society for not holding them to a better standard and just consuming all of the shit.

But yes, I trust the MSM media (especially when the stories have actual named sources and data) more than I trust memes on shitty Facebook pages, YouTube channels, Twitter accounts etc. The meme above is a perfect example. I guess it’s 25% correct and 75% an outright lie. Maybe that is acceptable these days?

However sadly even MSM you have to understand the bias it is coming from, and cut through it a bit.

My point stands, don’t get your news from unsourced memes. If you get your news from social media and anonymous memes, I would say the same to you, do some soul searching lad. 😂
SEEMEFIRST wrote:
OK, I am trying to be nice, but if you are listening to the MSM, I think you are being indoctrinated.

Just my opinion.
No problems, and if you are getting your news from social media I would say the same
Have a nice evening.
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MO 23 wrote:
It has its issues, and a level of bias that is not really acceptable. Truthfully in the world of clickbait and scrambling for views most media...
It has its issues, and a level of bias that is not really acceptable.
Truthfully in the world of clickbait and scrambling for views most media is pretty shit these days. But I blame the general society for not holding them to a better standard and just consuming all of the shit.

But yes, I trust the MSM media (especially when the stories have actual named sources and data) more than I trust memes on shitty Facebook pages, YouTube channels, Twitter accounts etc. The meme above is a perfect example. I guess it’s 25% correct and 75% an outright lie. Maybe that is acceptable these days?

However sadly even MSM you have to understand the bias it is coming from, and cut through it a bit.

My point stands, don’t get your news from unsourced memes. If you get your news from social media and anonymous memes, I would say the same to you, do some soul searching lad. 😂
SEEMEFIRST wrote:
OK, I am trying to be nice, but if you are listening to the MSM, I think you are being indoctrinated.

Just my opinion.
MO 23 wrote:
No problems, and if you are getting your news from social media I would say the same
Have a nice evening.
Social media?!?!
No, I don't get my news from social media.
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Here's a beer I brewed for you to explain to me about how I use social media.
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SEEMEFIRST wrote:
OK, I am trying to be nice, but if you are listening to the MSM, I think you are being indoctrinated.

Just my opinion.
MO 23 wrote:
No problems, and if you are getting your news from social media I would say the same
Have a nice evening.
SEEMEFIRST wrote:
Social media?!?!
No, I don't get my news from social media.
My original post was laughing at how people actually believe bullshit memes like the one posted

Let me ask you, do you believe the meme posted? I mean John Kerry doesn’t even have a son. 😂
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MO 23 wrote:
No problems, and if you are getting your news from social media I would say the same
Have a nice evening.
SEEMEFIRST wrote:
Social media?!?!
No, I don't get my news from social media.
MO 23 wrote:
My original post was laughing at how people actually believe bullshit memes like the one posted Let me ask you, do you believe the meme posted...
My original post was laughing at how people actually believe bullshit memes like the one posted

Let me ask you, do you believe the meme posted? I mean John Kerry doesn’t even have a son. 😂
I don't know which meme you speak of, so no.
I don't fix opinions upon memes.
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I get all my news from memes.
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XXVoid MainXX wrote:
I get all my news from memes.
Get it from COMMON SENCE; but where does that go?
These days of having an Opinion are regulated by the Agenda
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Here's a beer I brewed for you to explain to me about how I use social media. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/02/15/533770/s1200_20220215_224408.jpg[/img]
Here's a beer I brewed for you to explain to me about how I use social media.
Love ya Brother since you gave two shizz about my Dogs dying back in 2015
All good.

Post above?
Your on social Media my good friend. I Made that mistake too.
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MO 23 wrote:
It has its issues, and a level of bias that is not really acceptable. Truthfully in the world of clickbait and scrambling for views most media...
It has its issues, and a level of bias that is not really acceptable.
Truthfully in the world of clickbait and scrambling for views most media is pretty shit these days. But I blame the general society for not holding them to a better standard and just consuming all of the shit.

But yes, I trust the MSM media (especially when the stories have actual named sources and data) more than I trust memes on shitty Facebook pages, YouTube channels, Twitter accounts etc. The meme above is a perfect example. I guess it’s 25% correct and 75% an outright lie. Maybe that is acceptable these days?

However sadly even MSM you have to understand the bias it is coming from, and cut through it a bit.

My point stands, don’t get your news from unsourced memes. If you get your news from social media and anonymous memes, I would say the same to you, do some soul searching lad. 😂
SEEMEFIRST wrote:
OK, I am trying to be nice, but if you are listening to the MSM, I think you are being indoctrinated.

Just my opinion.
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I've been soaking up all the live streams of the Canada convoy. Hours and hours of unedited video. I have yet to see a swastika or...
I've been soaking up all the live streams of the Canada convoy. Hours and hours of unedited video. I have yet to see a swastika or hate of any type. There are people there supporting the protest from all races. They're completely peaceful and friendly. Yet, Justin Trudeau and his MSM paint them as terrorists. It's really unbelieveable.
They were real & they were there. On the very first weekend. Some have been talking like it's an ongoing thing, but as far as I know, it was only that first day or two.
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