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2/14/2022 7:20pm
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Midterms are coming. Who`s surprized?
moto162 wrote:
Last Monday they were crying the science, mask up get the jab ect ect. Now half of them are crying follow the science end mask no...
Last Monday they were crying the science, mask up get the jab ect ect. Now half of them are crying follow the science end mask no jab mandates ect ect on friday..Friday...
What changed midterms coming up. Just like in the 2020 presidential election debates, The Vax isn't coming until summer Trumps a liar we are in contact with big pharma. (Was announced ready for EU a week after election) Would you trust a Vax trump supported, free college, forgive loans all the normal promises they makes to the black community for the last 30-40 years but can't seem to figure out how to do a month after the elction. It's always the same thing every fucking 2 years almost to the day.
Yep, that was a great summary, I'm sure you saw the crowd at the super bowl on Sunday in the most covid conscious state in the country, celebrities, and politicians preached all day about how dangerous the China virus was, about how masks save lives, about social distancing save lives, about how the vaccine is so great, and about how this is all the orange man's fault... And none of them are distancing, and none of them have masks on. Strange how they are all doing this after we now know that even vaccinated people are likely to spread the virus too. At the end of the day, they invested a lot of money in that big brand new stadium, and they would be damned if they weren't going to make as much money as possible selling beer and filling every seat in the whole stadium. Oh yeah, but you can't go to the ultrasound appointment to figure out the sex of your newborn...and you can't visit your grandma in a nursing home either. We wouldn't want you to spread the virus. This is a national emergency.
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Anybody remember the Swift boat Veterans for truth?
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Of course we had to spy on trump, my god he's such an idiot our natl security depended on it.. surprised he didn't just hand Putin...
Of course we had to spy on trump, my god he's such an idiot our natl security depended on it.. surprised he didn't just hand Putin our nuke suitcase,,


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2/14/2022 9:03pm Edited Date/Time 2/14/2022 9:04pm
It is just mind blowing how some people can view facts depending on their bias.

Yes, that includes both sides of the political spectrum.

But to defend the politically motivated lies of the past 5 years, as "distractions" or "conspiracy theories", even when people are being criminally charged (not convicted yet), given all of the emails and financial paper trails tying the Russian collusion BS is just insane.

Yes not one conviction yet, but if you have 1/2 a brain you can see that this is not a conspiracy theory or a Russian collusion hoax. It is a politically motivated hack job, paid for by the Clinton campaign as a way to smear her opponent (who they never thought could actually win). When he did win, they had to double down to cover up their corruption and lies. Mueller anyone?

The "Trumper's" have had 5 years of lies, "conspiracy theories", and cancel culture BS. Turns out everything the left wing "Elite" was accusing the "Trumper's" of doing was actually what they were the one's ACTUALLY doing.

But I am sure Webster's Dictionary will change the definition of irony to fit the preferred woke agenda.
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2/14/2022 9:30pm
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Anybody remember the Swift boat Veterans for truth?
Damn, it has been a while, but it rings a bell, I'm going to have to do a Google search on that one
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Read the motion for the court to consider change of counsel. What I get out of it was a Clinton campaign attorney goes to the FBI with some dirt regarding alleged Russian ties, fails to inform them he is doing it for the Clinton campaign and also an unknown tech executive? also an unknown internet company? What I find exceptionally disturbing is the FBI didn't get to the bottom of it just took said Clinton dudes word for it.

These people have some balls unnamed tech executive for unnamed internet company and the Clinton campaign? they were spying on presidential candidate, and then a sitting president in the Oval office.
I don't really care what side of the isle you're on this is disturbingly problematic on any level for real Democracy.
Are they spying on Joe Biden right now? Not ok with that either,

This is just unbelievable. Americans have the right to know who is really fucking with elections and creating political discourse, inventing bs and creating it through cloak and dagger clandestine operations.

Lets see if any heads roll, with this.
Certainly looks like the people claiming no one is above the law are full of shit.

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Y'all do realize, Trump was the one who kept saying collusion, the media just picked up on what he said.

Government never said collusion with Russia
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Apparently this happened yesterday too. Fall guy? Where is Julian Assange right now?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/russia-hacker-hillary-cli…

Who's spying on you, and for what ends? How much does this guy know about you? When someone tells you who they are, you should believe them. Do you believe democracy is important? Or is it more important you get your way?
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flarider wrote:
Y'all do realize, Trump was the one who kept saying collusion, the media just picked up on what he said.

Government never said collusion with Russia
"He was asking for it"?
Really strong argument, there Dave.
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flarider wrote:
Y'all do realize, Trump was the one who kept saying collusion, the media just picked up on what he said.

Government never said collusion with Russia
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"He was asking for it"?
Really strong argument, there Dave.
Not an argument, just a statement of fact. Gov't never accused Trump of "collusion" or even said they were investigating collusion.

Trump kept saying it and you know how it goes, if you say something enough times, people believe it.

I know I never said he colluded with Russia, here or anywhere, because I have said the same thing all along, Trump is who kept saying collusion, not the government.

Media picked up on what the Donald was throwing down
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What I always find interesting about these recent revelations is that during the four years he had absolute power, no one could figure any of this out?

The most brilliant man in the world (He is, ask him) with all the power in the world and all the investigative powers than any one man should ever have, and in four years.....zip on Hillary

Benghazi....Benghazi!!

Nope

EMAILS!!
Nope

Obama spying!!
Nope

Now....Hillary spying!!
Nope...again

It's all distraction, sleight of hand.....don't look at the man behind the curtain
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2/15/2022 5:59am Edited Date/Time 2/15/2022 6:03am
flarider wrote:
Y'all do realize, Trump was the one who kept saying collusion, the media just picked up on what he said.

Government never said collusion with Russia
vet323 wrote:
"He was asking for it"?
Really strong argument, there Dave.
flarider wrote:
Not an argument, just a statement of fact. Gov't never accused Trump of "collusion" or even said they were investigating collusion. Trump kept saying it and...
Not an argument, just a statement of fact. Gov't never accused Trump of "collusion" or even said they were investigating collusion.

Trump kept saying it and you know how it goes, if you say something enough times, people believe it.

I know I never said he colluded with Russia, here or anywhere, because I have said the same thing all along, Trump is who kept saying collusion, not the government.

Media picked up on what the Donald was throwing down
Yeah the Clinton Campaign, the FBI, the CIA, the DOJ, Mueller and the hundreds of agents involved in his BS investigation for 2 years, the Steele Dossier, Carter Page, FISA court, none of that happened and it was all because Trump was saying Russia Russia Russia.

So basically you are saying that the thousands of hours of news coverage was all because Trump said Russia?

No one else from the Government ever went on TV and said anything about Russian collusion? The heads of the CIA and FBI practically lived on TV saying they had proof Trump was acting as a Russian agent. Adam Schiff spent many hours on TV saying he had seen proof Trump was in bed with Putin. None of them are part of the Government?

The Mueller investigation was not a Government investigation?

What world do you live in that you think that it was Trump that created this whole Russian hoax to begin with and the Government had nothing to do with it?

Did Steve Cox steal your password and take over your Vital account(s)?
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2/15/2022 6:24am
vet323 wrote:
"He was asking for it"?
Really strong argument, there Dave.
flarider wrote:
Not an argument, just a statement of fact. Gov't never accused Trump of "collusion" or even said they were investigating collusion. Trump kept saying it and...
Not an argument, just a statement of fact. Gov't never accused Trump of "collusion" or even said they were investigating collusion.

Trump kept saying it and you know how it goes, if you say something enough times, people believe it.

I know I never said he colluded with Russia, here or anywhere, because I have said the same thing all along, Trump is who kept saying collusion, not the government.

Media picked up on what the Donald was throwing down
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Yeah the Clinton Campaign, the FBI, the CIA, the DOJ, Mueller and the hundreds of agents involved in his BS investigation for 2 years, the Steele...
Yeah the Clinton Campaign, the FBI, the CIA, the DOJ, Mueller and the hundreds of agents involved in his BS investigation for 2 years, the Steele Dossier, Carter Page, FISA court, none of that happened and it was all because Trump was saying Russia Russia Russia.

So basically you are saying that the thousands of hours of news coverage was all because Trump said Russia?

No one else from the Government ever went on TV and said anything about Russian collusion? The heads of the CIA and FBI practically lived on TV saying they had proof Trump was acting as a Russian agent. Adam Schiff spent many hours on TV saying he had seen proof Trump was in bed with Putin. None of them are part of the Government?

The Mueller investigation was not a Government investigation?

What world do you live in that you think that it was Trump that created this whole Russian hoax to begin with and the Government had nothing to do with it?

Did Steve Cox steal your password and take over your Vital account(s)?
Don’t even reply to the guy. He’s just trolling and projecting his personal misery of his own life. He’s a miserable old kook and wants everyone to share in his unhappiness. He’ll go away if people just ignore him, take away the fuel from the fire.
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flarider wrote:
Not an argument, just a statement of fact. Gov't never accused Trump of "collusion" or even said they were investigating collusion. Trump kept saying it and...
Not an argument, just a statement of fact. Gov't never accused Trump of "collusion" or even said they were investigating collusion.

Trump kept saying it and you know how it goes, if you say something enough times, people believe it.

I know I never said he colluded with Russia, here or anywhere, because I have said the same thing all along, Trump is who kept saying collusion, not the government.

Media picked up on what the Donald was throwing down
Dave,
Doesn't make you a bad person, but perhaps you are confusing reality with your perception of reality.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_5mct8WArc

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All due respect, you either missed it or I need to explain it more fully....

Yes, there was an investigation, but that investigation was into a number of things, one of which was, "Did Russia infiltrate our election process?"

Had nothing to do with did Russia and Trump work hand-in-hand, but did Russia do anything, and the answer is a resounding "Yes!"

An indisputable conclusion.

Now, who did these Russians seem to support?
They overwhelming supported Trump.

Again, fact. Indisputable.

So then the question became "Why?" and that is where the collusion train hit the trains and then ran right back off them.

Why wouldn't we want to know why? Why did these Russians support Trump? It's a logical step in the investigative process.

Why would they support one candidate over another? To what advantage? Why?

From the book and movie, Hunt for Red October, there's a line I love by Admiral Josh Painter (Played by Fmr Senator Fred Thompson):
Russians don't take a dump without a plan. And senior captains don't start something this dangerous without having thought the matter through.

Why are the Russians seemingly supporting Trump?

To some, as well as DJT himself saw that question alone as an attack and an affront to his masculinity....I don't know, but he lost his shit and started the collusion claims, when no one in the gov't or more specifically, the Mueller investigation, the FBI, the CIA, NSA and anyone else.

The government (investigators) never said they were investigating Trump (or associates) for "collusion"

Just facts
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Not an argument, just a statement of fact. Gov't never accused Trump of "collusion" or even said they were investigating collusion. Trump kept saying it and...
Not an argument, just a statement of fact. Gov't never accused Trump of "collusion" or even said they were investigating collusion.

Trump kept saying it and you know how it goes, if you say something enough times, people believe it.

I know I never said he colluded with Russia, here or anywhere, because I have said the same thing all along, Trump is who kept saying collusion, not the government.

Media picked up on what the Donald was throwing down
tuggy450 wrote:
Dave,
Doesn't make you a bad person, but perhaps you are confusing reality with your perception of reality.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_5mct8WArc

That's politics.

Sure, Nancy said it and Schiff and AOC...that's politics

Poking the bear bullshit

The government investigating it never called it collusion.

Semantics, sure....but Trump was the first one saying it

Mueller or anyone part of it said that
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Don’t even reply to the guy. He’s just trolling and projecting his personal misery of his own life. He’s a miserable old kook and wants everyone...
Don’t even reply to the guy. He’s just trolling and projecting his personal misery of his own life. He’s a miserable old kook and wants everyone to share in his unhappiness. He’ll go away if people just ignore him, take away the fuel from the fire.
My immediate (and probably best) thought was to let this bait float on by...

Then again, I thought better of it and figured, "what the hell, huh?"

LOL

Look, I am not a miserable guy.
I am a guy who's had a hard time recently for a few reasons, primarily the death of my Father. It's been hard, and I always knew it would be, but not this bad, and the way it happened made it worse.

I am sure a few of you think it's awesome, but it's to be expected from a few of you.

It's to be expected because unlike you, I put everything out front and haven't hidden my identity (or had multiple identities) and change names every few months "to keep everyone on their toes."

I don't hide like some of you.

I am not perfect, and I am not always right. I have my flaws and failures like everyone else, but I am not hiding who I am either.

Few months back I admit to a bit of a meltdown over the virus topic and I allowed my emotions, mostly over the loss of my Father to it, to to get out of hand.

If that makes me a terrible person, so be it.
If that makes you believe I deserve it, God be with you.

If I offended anyone, especially any of my friends at that time, please accept my humblest apologies.

If you still don't like me, that's fine too.

Have a great day



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Apparently this happened yesterday too. Fall guy? Where is Julian Assange right now? https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/russia-hacker-hillary-clinton-dnc-democratic-national-committee-sentenced-jail-1678946%3famp=1 Who's spying on you, and for what ends? How much does this...
Apparently this happened yesterday too. Fall guy? Where is Julian Assange right now?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/russia-hacker-hillary-cli…

Who's spying on you, and for what ends? How much does this guy know about you? When someone tells you who they are, you should believe them. Do you believe democracy is important? Or is it more important you get your way?
https://www.cato-unbound.org/2009/04/13/peter-thiel/education-libertari…

Crowdstrike, the firm behind the Russian email hacking allegation at the core of Russiagate, makes a bombshell admission: “We did not have concrete evidence.” In newly released Congressional testimony, Crowdstrike president Shawn Henry said that “we did not have concrete evidence” that alleged Russian hackers actually took the emails from DNC servers. “There’s circumstantial evidence, but no evidence that they were actually exfiltrated,” Henry said.


i dont trust peter thiel
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2/15/2022 7:47am Edited Date/Time 2/15/2022 8:38am
[i]Crowdstrike, the firm behind the Russian email hacking allegation at the core of Russiagate, makes a bombshell admission: “We did not have concrete evidence.” In newly...

Crowdstrike, the firm behind the Russian email hacking allegation at the core of Russiagate, makes a bombshell admission: “We did not have concrete evidence.” In newly released Congressional testimony, Crowdstrike president Shawn Henry said that “we did not have concrete evidence” that alleged Russian hackers actually took the emails from DNC servers. “There’s circumstantial evidence, but no evidence that they were actually exfiltrated,” Henry said.


i dont trust peter thiel
Where are you pulling that quote from?
Edit:nvm I found it in his testimony

The fact of the matter is that the emails were obtained by wikileaks and released in the final days of the 2016 election. Would you classify that as spying?
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Sadly, This division will cause America separate in 6 years. 💣💣💣
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Man, this thread is still here , management changes shown in full force
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So the motion alleges that on Sept 19, 2016 and Feb 9, 2017 Sussman met with FBI agents to present his findings. For reference, Trump was sworn in Jan 20, 2017. It's a little vague on details but seems to imply that the information gleaned from the Whitehouse consists of the IP pings of Russian made phones (Yotaphone) starting in 2014.


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[i]Crowdstrike, the firm behind the Russian email hacking allegation at the core of Russiagate, makes a bombshell admission: “We did not have concrete evidence.” In newly...

Crowdstrike, the firm behind the Russian email hacking allegation at the core of Russiagate, makes a bombshell admission: “We did not have concrete evidence.” In newly released Congressional testimony, Crowdstrike president Shawn Henry said that “we did not have concrete evidence” that alleged Russian hackers actually took the emails from DNC servers. “There’s circumstantial evidence, but no evidence that they were actually exfiltrated,” Henry said.


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Full quote for reference.
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conversely

The New York Times has written 13,569 stories about Trump and Russia.

The Washington Post: 21,636

CNN/MNSBC/Etc ran stories for 4 years straight... facts didn't matter then.

how about the russian bounty hoax they ran with at the 2020 election? absolutely zero evidence, but it was fact then!
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2/15/2022 10:16am
Glenn Greenwald, Aaron Mate, Matt Taibbi have all covered the Russia hoax accurately. Go ahead and read them if you want details
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Glenn Greenwald, Aaron Mate, Matt Taibbi have all covered the Russia hoax accurately. Go ahead and read them if you want details
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Just because Greenwald is gay doesn't make him a "lefty"
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[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/02/15/533694/s1200_probe.jpg[/img] conversely The New York Times has written 13,569 stories about Trump and Russia. The Washington Post: 21,636 CNN/MNSBC/Etc ran stories for 4 years straight... facts...


conversely

The New York Times has written 13,569 stories about Trump and Russia.

The Washington Post: 21,636

CNN/MNSBC/Etc ran stories for 4 years straight... facts didn't matter then.

how about the russian bounty hoax they ran with at the 2020 election? absolutely zero evidence, but it was fact then!
The expect ABC to break into the Bachelor or CBS to mess with Big Brother?

Y'll realize how misleading and stupid that is, right?

That's PRIME TIME hours....ABC/CBS/NBC is not breaking into their prime time shows for this hocus pocus magic show to stir the MAGA crowd.

CNN and MSNBC were likely doing their usual talking head shows.
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2/15/2022 10:55am
Can we all agree the folks in federal govt can’t get tar and feathered anymore ? They could care less about anytning. None of those good ole boys WILL EVER be afraid of all this speculation. It’s all political campaign theatre. Jerry Springer at its finest.
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