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thats what bonehead pickens said..and the government is giving the truckers 65,000 credit to buy a CNG 18 wheeler ..
we are the saudi arabia of natural gas..the sun and wind are NOT reliable..so we have enough natural gas for decades
will we convert or die trying to pay all these carbon taxes ??
GM should be building CNG cars and trucks so we won't need to import
we are the saudi arabia of natural gas..the sun and wind are NOT reliable..so we have enough natural gas for decades
will we convert or die trying to pay all these carbon taxes ??
GM should be building CNG cars and trucks so we won't need to import
Cars? Maybe.
the gas company here has all CNG vehicles
anything positive or you just out to harrass me?
Yeah, all -natural gas vehicles are a great idea...for the idealists. But then reality hits, which the idealists call a "conspiracy" to keep oil companies in business.
Yes, the govt is throwing money around in typical idiot fashion. Cart before the horse.
We need to utilize sound engineering principles to resolve the appropriate approach to our future transportation needs. Not political/money/power motivated people.
Unfortunately, that may be asking too much.
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theres just so much natural gas its worth checking out and improving performance
Although someone might come up with a better idea for how to use CNG, current technologies are very far apart between performance of CNG versus diesel.
Tom, I was thinking about the technical issues. We often specify emergency generators purchase from companies like CAT, Kohler and Cummins. When we size them, we specify the fuel. CNG units are always significantly larger than diesel units in order to meet torqure requirements.
If you ever drive between OK City and Tulsa, you'll get a fun experience trying to avoid getting run over by trucks. It's all rolling hills. They run downhill close to 90 mph and slow to 60's going back up. Put those vehicles on CNG and they'll slow to a crawl going up the hills. If they can make it.
BTW, Pickens scrapped his wind farm plans. At least for now.
I'd guess there's a LOT more to the story.
1) There are already sh1tloads of wind farms in West Texas.
2) They got rid of most W. TX power generation plants so they live off transmission sources. If it's generated there, it will be used there up to a point.
3) I suspect he had permitting and land acquisition issues. Just a guess. Pickens is a greedy, greedy, greedy SOB.
4) Pickens is a heavy into CNG and has a lot at stake to get America using more of it.
There just aren't enough btu's per volume in natural gas. It all comes back to gasoline (for personal transit) is the most efficient fuel for mobilization.
I'm just amazed at how the American public is going to sit back and let the green peace crowd shove global warming down their throats.
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Agreed,
If the oil futures market hadn't played out he would still be under construction with his pipe line from western ok to the DFW area so he could sell water to you guys.
The man is no good.
Years ago, I had a truck that ran on either propane or gasoline. On propane, it had considerably less power but ran very clean.
The biggest hurdle for natual gas powered cars is range and safety. As you can imagine, it's a little scary to be out there driving around sitting on top of a tank of natural gas that has 2000 PSI in it.
America does have a tremendous amount of natural gas available. Natural gas powered hybrids are a great idea and it's doable today.
Buses run on it. UPS ran a trial on it.
You can google up a lot of good info. It has it's uses. It's just not a good option for replacing diesel IMO.
Just did a quick gen sizing run. For equal motor starts, running off CNG requires a 30% larger generator unit when compared to using Diesel.
So, if you have an 8L diesel to pull a load, this implies you'd need a 12L CNG engine to do the same job...of course, it still won't, but that's the comparison.
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Maybe we need to look at vegetable oil based fuels or coal for diesel supplies, but replacing diesel just isn't practical IMO with anything remotely current.
You could use electric motors due to the high torque capabilities, but the storage issues are really tough.
Do you really think the power plants could handle the demand if all of our cars were electric?
Just asking because I don't know.
The grid could handle the load of what can be reasonably produced in the next 10 years as far as charging over night. The problem will come if we fail to plan ahead and build adequate power plants and transmission lines to support were we will be in 20 years.
i have gas dryer and a gas cast iron double burner and a hot water solar heater
electric rates just went up another 5%..highest in the nation,except for maybe lanai or molokai
if CNG is so weak,how come they are offering 65,000 on your next big rig purchase?
I've provided you with factual information from people who make CNG engines and have for a long time (Cummins, CAT, Kohler).
You can google information about CNG performance. UPS did a trial and found it to be a problematic because their drivers would run out of gas.
There's a cost balance study which compares costs of CNG v. low sulfur diesel and it shows that CNG cost more to use and it's worse for the environment.
SO...go learn something. Stop parroting crap that idiots spew on the radio.
i have learned something..there are alot of different points of view
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As far as "points of view"...that's silly. It's not about points of view. This issue is about facts. You've provided none, but still want to run trucks on CNG despite evidence that it's impractical.
That's not a point of view. It's dumb. That's Glenn Beck. It's greed. That's T. Boone Pickens.
i haven't watched or listened to glenn beck for weeks..but i did see bonehead pickens ..the wind business isn't going to make him any money,hes selling out all the 400 ft wind mills
OK your turn
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