Webb’s jibe at Aldon

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I do hope he gets another number one plate.

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fullfloater 1/8/2022 1:59am
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Roger probably liked that about as much as when Ferry came out of the rig in baggy OTB gear.
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Thisusernameisavailable 1/8/2022 2:06am
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What is the success rate of riders who DID win with Aldon and then DID win again later without him?

Roczen outdoors 2016?
Stewart?

Others??
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Thisusernameisavailable wrote:
What is the success rate of riders who DID win with Aldon and then DID win again later without him?

Roczen outdoors 2016?
Stewart?

Others??
Quite damning the numbers but yeah it's not good!
Anderson hasn't even won a single race since left. To be fair AC didn't win with Aldon really but would he of done better, we will never know.
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Thisusernameisavailable wrote:
What is the success rate of riders who DID win with Aldon and then DID win again later without him?

Roczen outdoors 2016?
Stewart?

Others??
It’s only Kenny right? Wasn’t Stew still with him in 09?
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Thisusernameisavailable wrote:
What is the success rate of riders who DID win with Aldon and then DID win again later without him?

Roczen outdoors 2016?
Stewart?

Others??
Paging Uptite to the courtesy phone!
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This is quite cocky for a rider that won jack s..t on a 450 till he started with Aldon but then again I wouldn’t expect anything more from Webb
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Webb fitness in last ten laps of sx races has been difference between kr94 and Webb winning imo
Be interesting to see if it drops of this year
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Webb fitness in last ten laps of sx races has been difference between kr94 and Webb winning imo Be interesting to see if it drops of...
Webb fitness in last ten laps of sx races has been difference between kr94 and Webb winning imo
Be interesting to see if it drops of this year
This 100%. I was sipping whiskey last night and watching the last few main events from last year. Roczen had a bunch of them won handily, then Ken gets tired and drops the bike or Webb just runs him down. I’m quite confident that Webb put in plenty of work in this off season, but it will be interesting to see if he can maintain the same dominant physical advantage over Roczen without Aldon’s secret sauce.
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I saw this more as a dig at the “industry insiders” who said that they think Webb might have a down season after leaving Aldon’s, as opposed to Webb taking a shot at Aldon. I obviously could be wrong, though.
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gym_jackets wrote:
I saw this more as a dig at the “industry insiders” who said that they think Webb might have a down season after leaving Aldon’s, as...
I saw this more as a dig at the “industry insiders” who said that they think Webb might have a down season after leaving Aldon’s, as opposed to Webb taking a shot at Aldon. I obviously could be wrong, though.
I was thinking the same.
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I agree with gym_jackets I don't think it's targeted at Aldon. I think it's Webb having fun and finding motivation to carry that little chip on his shoulder.
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I almost think I like Webb now, that's damn funny!
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Everyone is always getting on the guys about being "Robots" in their interviews when people ask questions. and we have a guy just having a little fun and suddenly "He's taking shots at Aldon"? Come on boys, let's have some shenanigans and have a bit of fun! Isn't that why we got into this sport in the first place?
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I feel like that's cartoon is more on Chris at Air Trix than it is on Cooper. A lot of time, the helmet painter does things that the rider won't know about until the helmet is delivered.
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This Aldon thing seems to come up every year. Personally I think he has no business giving riders riding advice as he’s never rode a dirtbike. That seems odd coming from him. Also the guys that won championships with him, most of them had a previous championship BEFORE joining his program. Is he a good trainer? Sure. Can the riders that have “bakers factory championships” win without him?? Sure and most of them have before they joined him.
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Jarrod458 wrote:
This Aldon thing seems to come up every year. Personally I think he has no business giving riders riding advice as he’s never rode a dirtbike...
This Aldon thing seems to come up every year. Personally I think he has no business giving riders riding advice as he’s never rode a dirtbike. That seems odd coming from him. Also the guys that won championships with him, most of them had a previous championship BEFORE joining his program. Is he a good trainer? Sure. Can the riders that have “bakers factory championships” win without him?? Sure and most of them have before they joined him.
"Personally I think he has no business giving riders riding advice as he’s never rode a dirtbike."

What about Colleen Millsaps or Jeannie Carmichael?

"Can the riders that have “bakers factory championships” win without him?? Sure and most of them have before they joined him."

Correct. However, I believe only 1 has won a title after leaving his program. Kenny 2016.
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Jarrod458 wrote:
This Aldon thing seems to come up every year. Personally I think he has no business giving riders riding advice as he’s never rode a dirtbike...
This Aldon thing seems to come up every year. Personally I think he has no business giving riders riding advice as he’s never rode a dirtbike. That seems odd coming from him. Also the guys that won championships with him, most of them had a previous championship BEFORE joining his program. Is he a good trainer? Sure. Can the riders that have “bakers factory championships” win without him?? Sure and most of them have before they joined him.
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[i]"Personally I think he has no business giving riders riding advice as he’s never rode a dirtbike."[/i] What about Colleen Millsaps or Jeannie Carmichael? [i]"Can the...
"Personally I think he has no business giving riders riding advice as he’s never rode a dirtbike."

What about Colleen Millsaps or Jeannie Carmichael?

"Can the riders that have “bakers factory championships” win without him?? Sure and most of them have before they joined him."

Correct. However, I believe only 1 has won a title after leaving his program. Kenny 2016.
It’s a fair topic mav. Let’s look at guys that won championships with him and what they did when they left him:

Carmichael - Left in 2007. Retired.

Stewart - Left in 2010. Never won another title.

Villopoto - Left in 2015 to attempt GP’s to fulfill his contract, wanted to retire at the end of 2014.

Roczen - Left in 2015. Won 2016 Outdoors.

Dungey - Left in 2017. Retired.

Anderson- left in 2020 (?) and never was the same.

Osborne - Left in 2021. Retired.

Webb - Left in 2021..we’ll see….


So really there are only three guys Aldon won championships with that left and kept racing. Ken won a title, Stew didn’t. But you could chalk stews struggles up to that 2010-2012 Yamaha. With Anderson, does anyone think he wins another title even if he stays?

I think the more glaring issue above is the amount of people he’s burned out into early retirement
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Anderson’s title was it for him
You could tell by his demeanor on the podium at Las Vegas that year
He was mentally/physically spent
That’s why he’s all about the “ fun” now
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Johnny Ringo wrote:
It’s a fair topic mav. Let’s look at guys that won championships with him and what they did when they left him: Carmichael - Left in...
It’s a fair topic mav. Let’s look at guys that won championships with him and what they did when they left him:

Carmichael - Left in 2007. Retired.

Stewart - Left in 2010. Never won another title.

Villopoto - Left in 2015 to attempt GP’s to fulfill his contract, wanted to retire at the end of 2014.

Roczen - Left in 2015. Won 2016 Outdoors.

Dungey - Left in 2017. Retired.

Anderson- left in 2020 (?) and never was the same.

Osborne - Left in 2021. Retired.

Webb - Left in 2021..we’ll see….


So really there are only three guys Aldon won championships with that left and kept racing. Ken won a title, Stew didn’t. But you could chalk stews struggles up to that 2010-2012 Yamaha. With Anderson, does anyone think he wins another title even if he stays?

I think the more glaring issue above is the amount of people he’s burned out into early retirement
I get that, but as they say, you're only as good as your last race.

Concerning burnout, that's why Webb left. He didn't want to burnout at the age he's at and felt if he continued with Aldon that's the road he was heading toward. He's like 25/26 and maybe he wants to race until he's in his early 30's. You can't fault him for that.

I don't think Aldon's program is designed to be sustainable long term, but it gets the best out of the riders. Look what it did for Webb. No denying that he stepped it up big time once he went to that program. He even admitted himself that he thought he was in shape, until he went to Aldon's and found out it wasn't really the case.

Only time will tell if he can continue winning titles.
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Jarrod458 wrote:
This Aldon thing seems to come up every year. Personally I think he has no business giving riders riding advice as he’s never rode a dirtbike...
This Aldon thing seems to come up every year. Personally I think he has no business giving riders riding advice as he’s never rode a dirtbike. That seems odd coming from him. Also the guys that won championships with him, most of them had a previous championship BEFORE joining his program. Is he a good trainer? Sure. Can the riders that have “bakers factory championships” win without him?? Sure and most of them have before they joined him.
Maybe not riding a dirtbike means Aldon is free from personal bias though. It's narrow minded to think you can't learn from someone like Aldon. 99% of riders can't articulate why they are fast in the first place anyway.
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Johnny Ringo wrote:
It’s a fair topic mav. Let’s look at guys that won championships with him and what they did when they left him: Carmichael - Left in...
It’s a fair topic mav. Let’s look at guys that won championships with him and what they did when they left him:

Carmichael - Left in 2007. Retired.

Stewart - Left in 2010. Never won another title.

Villopoto - Left in 2015 to attempt GP’s to fulfill his contract, wanted to retire at the end of 2014.

Roczen - Left in 2015. Won 2016 Outdoors.

Dungey - Left in 2017. Retired.

Anderson- left in 2020 (?) and never was the same.

Osborne - Left in 2021. Retired.

Webb - Left in 2021..we’ll see….


So really there are only three guys Aldon won championships with that left and kept racing. Ken won a title, Stew didn’t. But you could chalk stews struggles up to that 2010-2012 Yamaha. With Anderson, does anyone think he wins another title even if he stays?

I think the more glaring issue above is the amount of people he’s burned out into early retirement
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I get that, but as they say, you're only as good as your last race. Concerning burnout, that's why Webb left. He didn't want to burnout...
I get that, but as they say, you're only as good as your last race.

Concerning burnout, that's why Webb left. He didn't want to burnout at the age he's at and felt if he continued with Aldon that's the road he was heading toward. He's like 25/26 and maybe he wants to race until he's in his early 30's. You can't fault him for that.

I don't think Aldon's program is designed to be sustainable long term, but it gets the best out of the riders. Look what it did for Webb. No denying that he stepped it up big time once he went to that program. He even admitted himself that he thought he was in shape, until he went to Aldon's and found out it wasn't really the case.

Only time will tell if he can continue winning titles.
One guy I just thought of was AC. His 2019 outdoor title was after Aldon.

We shall see how Coop does this year. I don’t think it will be an end all be all concerning Aldon tho, he’s got the record
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I get that, but as they say, you're only as good as your last race. Concerning burnout, that's why Webb left. He didn't want to burnout...
I get that, but as they say, you're only as good as your last race.

Concerning burnout, that's why Webb left. He didn't want to burnout at the age he's at and felt if he continued with Aldon that's the road he was heading toward. He's like 25/26 and maybe he wants to race until he's in his early 30's. You can't fault him for that.

I don't think Aldon's program is designed to be sustainable long term, but it gets the best out of the riders. Look what it did for Webb. No denying that he stepped it up big time once he went to that program. He even admitted himself that he thought he was in shape, until he went to Aldon's and found out it wasn't really the case.

Only time will tell if he can continue winning titles.
“Look what Aldon did for Webb” ????? I thought Webb won a ton of races and a championship before Aldon. You can’t get a champion to come to your program and take credit for making them a champion again. Can you? Guess so.
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Johnny Ringo wrote:
It’s a fair topic mav. Let’s look at guys that won championships with him and what they did when they left him: Carmichael - Left in...
It’s a fair topic mav. Let’s look at guys that won championships with him and what they did when they left him:

Carmichael - Left in 2007. Retired.

Stewart - Left in 2010. Never won another title.

Villopoto - Left in 2015 to attempt GP’s to fulfill his contract, wanted to retire at the end of 2014.

Roczen - Left in 2015. Won 2016 Outdoors.

Dungey - Left in 2017. Retired.

Anderson- left in 2020 (?) and never was the same.

Osborne - Left in 2021. Retired.

Webb - Left in 2021..we’ll see….


So really there are only three guys Aldon won championships with that left and kept racing. Ken won a title, Stew didn’t. But you could chalk stews struggles up to that 2010-2012 Yamaha. With Anderson, does anyone think he wins another title even if he stays?

I think the more glaring issue above is the amount of people he’s burned out into early retirement
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I get that, but as they say, you're only as good as your last race. Concerning burnout, that's why Webb left. He didn't want to burnout...
I get that, but as they say, you're only as good as your last race.

Concerning burnout, that's why Webb left. He didn't want to burnout at the age he's at and felt if he continued with Aldon that's the road he was heading toward. He's like 25/26 and maybe he wants to race until he's in his early 30's. You can't fault him for that.

I don't think Aldon's program is designed to be sustainable long term, but it gets the best out of the riders. Look what it did for Webb. No denying that he stepped it up big time once he went to that program. He even admitted himself that he thought he was in shape, until he went to Aldon's and found out it wasn't really the case.

Only time will tell if he can continue winning titles.
I don't get the whole burnout thing, we consistently hear riders highlighting that they did more when they weren't with Aldon...
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Johnny Ringo wrote:
It’s a fair topic mav. Let’s look at guys that won championships with him and what they did when they left him: Carmichael - Left in...
It’s a fair topic mav. Let’s look at guys that won championships with him and what they did when they left him:

Carmichael - Left in 2007. Retired.

Stewart - Left in 2010. Never won another title.

Villopoto - Left in 2015 to attempt GP’s to fulfill his contract, wanted to retire at the end of 2014.

Roczen - Left in 2015. Won 2016 Outdoors.

Dungey - Left in 2017. Retired.

Anderson- left in 2020 (?) and never was the same.

Osborne - Left in 2021. Retired.

Webb - Left in 2021..we’ll see….


So really there are only three guys Aldon won championships with that left and kept racing. Ken won a title, Stew didn’t. But you could chalk stews struggles up to that 2010-2012 Yamaha. With Anderson, does anyone think he wins another title even if he stays?

I think the more glaring issue above is the amount of people he’s burned out into early retirement
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I get that, but as they say, you're only as good as your last race. Concerning burnout, that's why Webb left. He didn't want to burnout...
I get that, but as they say, you're only as good as your last race.

Concerning burnout, that's why Webb left. He didn't want to burnout at the age he's at and felt if he continued with Aldon that's the road he was heading toward. He's like 25/26 and maybe he wants to race until he's in his early 30's. You can't fault him for that.

I don't think Aldon's program is designed to be sustainable long term, but it gets the best out of the riders. Look what it did for Webb. No denying that he stepped it up big time once he went to that program. He even admitted himself that he thought he was in shape, until he went to Aldon's and found out it wasn't really the case.

Only time will tell if he can continue winning titles.
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I don't get the whole burnout thing, we consistently hear riders highlighting that they did more when they weren't with Aldon...
The only guy that ever said that was dunge
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“Look what Aldon did for Webb” ????? I thought Webb won a ton of races and a championship before Aldon. You can’t get a champion to...
“Look what Aldon did for Webb” ????? I thought Webb won a ton of races and a championship before Aldon. You can’t get a champion to come to your program and take credit for making them a champion again. Can you? Guess so.
I'm talking about the 450.

He won titles on the 250, moved up and didn't look the same. Went to Aldon's and stepped it up.
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I feel like that's cartoon is more on Chris at Air Trix than it is on Cooper. A lot of time, the helmet painter does things...
I feel like that's cartoon is more on Chris at Air Trix than it is on Cooper. A lot of time, the helmet painter does things that the rider won't know about until the helmet is delivered.
But having u laying on a sofa killing bags of chips with a big gut??? Doesn't seem like a good look in any way shape or form.... imo.... a bad joke in poor taste
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The only guy that ever said that was dunge
I know Marv just left, but how long was he there? Seems like he was there forever. Didn't win titles, but has been a top guy.

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