250 Riders Not Getting the Bump to 450

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Edited Date/Time 1/8/2022 9:55am
I hope he wins. I’m a fan but HOLY JESUS….another year in THE 250 CLASS. Maybe it’s time that they took a look at how the points are counted and figure this out again. I know….it’s great that he can keep his career going and I’m happy for that. I think they need to take a look at how the points are counted and get back to the spirit of having THE 250 CLASS. Am I off base on this?
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It’s professional racing. They should be able to ride in whatever class they want in my opinion. They’re doing it for money.
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Him and JMart have a combined 79 years of racing.
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Moto520 12/27/2021 3:17pm
12/27/2021 3:17pm Edited Date/Time 12/27/2021 6:06pm
Electro21 wrote:
It’s professional racing. They should be able to ride in whatever class they want in my opinion. They’re doing it for money.
I hear ya. I think the spirit of THE 250 CLASS FOR SUPERCROSS ONLY has been to create a class for new riders to get their feet wet. Get rid of Craig and there would be one more spot for a local guy to try and get into the show
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Titanium 12/27/2021 3:31pm
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Troll post, and FYI it hasn't been called the "lites" class for nearly a decade..
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hubbardmx50 12/27/2021 3:38pm
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Make hundreds of thousands of dollars riding a 250 or make zero dollars riding a 450. What would you choose? He will be 450 outdoors
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Johnny Ringo 12/27/2021 3:46pm
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Well he hasn’t technically pointed out sooo
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Dirty Points 12/27/2021 3:49pm
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I'm just impressed/concerned for Star keeping track of eight riders..
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crusty_xx 12/27/2021 3:52pm
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Would you switch to a job that's twice as tough with double the hours and a significantly lower pay? Thought so.
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what’s a “lites?”
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aeffertz 12/27/2021 4:01pm
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What year is it?

Why are you still using the horrible term lites?
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TeamGreen 12/27/2021 4:02pm
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Is Matthes gonna lay into him like he did Davalos...?

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hubbardmx50 wrote:
Make hundreds of thousands of dollars riding a 250 or make zero dollars riding a 450. What would you choose? He will be 450 outdoors
Does he really make zero dollars riding a 450 at Star Yamaha while finishing inside the top 10 most of the time and top 5 sometimes??? I would bet a lot of money your statement is 100% false.

Regardless of what peoples opinion is, he’s gonna ride whatever class Star wants him to ride. If Star wanted him on the 450 they’d compensate him nicely for it. It’s soooo stupid when people make stuff up.
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hubbardmx50 wrote:
Make hundreds of thousands of dollars riding a 250 or make zero dollars riding a 450. What would you choose? He will be 450 outdoors
agn5008 wrote:
Does he really make zero dollars riding a 450 at Star Yamaha while finishing inside the top 10 most of the time and top 5 sometimes...
Does he really make zero dollars riding a 450 at Star Yamaha while finishing inside the top 10 most of the time and top 5 sometimes??? I would bet a lot of money your statement is 100% false.

Regardless of what peoples opinion is, he’s gonna ride whatever class Star wants him to ride. If Star wanted him on the 450 they’d compensate him nicely for it. It’s soooo stupid when people make stuff up.
You didn't get the point. He is talking about 450 privateer effort vs 250 factory deal.
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250 class***
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Moto520 wrote:
I hope he wins. I’m a fan but HOLY JESUS….another year in THE 250 CLASS. Maybe it’s time that they took a look at how the...
I hope he wins. I’m a fan but HOLY JESUS….another year in THE 250 CLASS. Maybe it’s time that they took a look at how the points are counted and figure this out again. I know….it’s great that he can keep his career going and I’m happy for that. I think they need to take a look at how the points are counted and get back to the spirit of having THE 250 CLASS. Am I off base on this?
So basically what your saying is, with Craig the lites engine class is overstacked...
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hubbardmx50 12/27/2021 5:09pm
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hubbardmx50 wrote:
Make hundreds of thousands of dollars riding a 250 or make zero dollars riding a 450. What would you choose? He will be 450 outdoors
agn5008 wrote:
Does he really make zero dollars riding a 450 at Star Yamaha while finishing inside the top 10 most of the time and top 5 sometimes...
Does he really make zero dollars riding a 450 at Star Yamaha while finishing inside the top 10 most of the time and top 5 sometimes??? I would bet a lot of money your statement is 100% false.

Regardless of what peoples opinion is, he’s gonna ride whatever class Star wants him to ride. If Star wanted him on the 450 they’d compensate him nicely for it. It’s soooo stupid when people make stuff up.
I meant if he were to run his own 450 program the entire year like people are insisting he should do
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TeamGreen 12/27/2021 5:35pm
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hubbardmx50 wrote:
Make hundreds of thousands of dollars riding a 250 or make zero dollars riding a 450. What would you choose? He will be 450 outdoors
agn5008 wrote:
Does he really make zero dollars riding a 450 at Star Yamaha while finishing inside the top 10 most of the time and top 5 sometimes...
Does he really make zero dollars riding a 450 at Star Yamaha while finishing inside the top 10 most of the time and top 5 sometimes??? I would bet a lot of money your statement is 100% false.

Regardless of what peoples opinion is, he’s gonna ride whatever class Star wants him to ride. If Star wanted him on the 450 they’d compensate him nicely for it. It’s soooo stupid when people make stuff up.
hubbardmx50 wrote:
I meant if he were to run his own 450 program the entire year like people are insisting he should do
You could try to explain how Star has a certain amount budgeted for 450s...as supported by sponsor dollars and backing from the likes of Monster & Yamaha (and the riders have their own gear deals which provides them their own source of revenue and add'l bonuses) ...and then there's the budget for the 250s which includes add'l dollars and support form Thor (is that their gear sponsor in '22???) and the other gear sponsors that pay into the 250 program...and that's where Star wants Christian for SX...and, probably, the sponsors, too.

But, I could be wrong.
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Electro21 wrote:
It’s professional racing. They should be able to ride in whatever class they want in my opinion. They’re doing it for money.
If they combined the coast yes I agree. But as is the SX 250s is supposed the be an “entry” class to the super Ross series. There’s a reason there are “some” point guidelines but it really needs to be looked at yet again to be in the spirit of the class
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Electro21 wrote:
It’s professional racing. They should be able to ride in whatever class they want in my opinion. They’re doing it for money.
yak651 wrote:
If they combined the coast yes I agree. But as is the SX 250s is supposed the be an “entry” class to the super Ross series...
If they combined the coast yes I agree. But as is the SX 250s is supposed the be an “entry” class to the super Ross series. There’s a reason there are “some” point guidelines but it really needs to be looked at yet again to be in the spirit of the class
Is that the Super "Roller-Ball Ross" SX series?

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Electro21 12/27/2021 5:59pm
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Electro21 wrote:
It’s professional racing. They should be able to ride in whatever class they want in my opinion. They’re doing it for money.
Moto520 wrote:
I hear ya. I think the spirit of THE 250 CLASS FOR SUPERCROSS ONLY has been to create a class for new riders to get their...
I hear ya. I think the spirit of THE 250 CLASS FOR SUPERCROSS ONLY has been to create a class for new riders to get their feet wet. Get rid of Craig and there would be one more spot for a local guy to try and get into the show
Would you change your job to make less money so that younger people could up through the ranks? Shouldn’t be an age limit. It’s professional racing.
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Regis 12/27/2021 6:04pm
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It’s time they (rules maker) just open up the class as the same as 450. No restrictions

The 125cc class was made years ago before every kid rode SX growing up and there were SX practice tracks everywhere to ride. I know the first time I rode a real SX track was the first practice at the 97 LA coliseum. Lol.

The class was introduced to get the younger guys experience. Those days are over.
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hubbardmx50 wrote:
Make hundreds of thousands of dollars riding a 250 or make zero dollars riding a 450. What would you choose? He will be 450 outdoors
agn5008 wrote:
Does he really make zero dollars riding a 450 at Star Yamaha while finishing inside the top 10 most of the time and top 5 sometimes...
Does he really make zero dollars riding a 450 at Star Yamaha while finishing inside the top 10 most of the time and top 5 sometimes??? I would bet a lot of money your statement is 100% false.

Regardless of what peoples opinion is, he’s gonna ride whatever class Star wants him to ride. If Star wanted him on the 450 they’d compensate him nicely for it. It’s soooo stupid when people make stuff up.
hubbardmx50 wrote:
I meant if he were to run his own 450 program the entire year like people are insisting he should do
Who is insisting he does that? No one in this conversation that I see. And if anyone honestly insists that it’s probably a 12 year old who doesn’t understand the concept of making a living yet. Anyone would be an absolute fool to give up a Star Racing Yamaha ride to do his own thing.
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Moto520 12/27/2021 6:08pm
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Titanium wrote:
Troll post, and FYI it hasn't been called the "lites" class for nearly a decade..
There…..I fixed it for ya. Is that a troll post thing? I don’t even know nowadays.
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Moto520 12/27/2021 6:16pm
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My bad. I was wrongfully thinking that the motocross points were factored in. He’s all good for another year in the 250 class
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TeamGreen wrote:
Is Matthes gonna lay into him like he did Davalos...?

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Took a look at their 250 SX career starts.

Davalos: 104 (Record For Most Starts)
Craig: 48
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Johnny Ringo 12/27/2021 6:22pm
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Truly we should go to one class only. Whether that is 250s or 450s. Would help the sport grow without two classes. All the best guys, one gate drop.
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TeamGreen wrote:
Is Matthes gonna lay into him like he did Davalos...?

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-MAVERICK- wrote:
Took a look at their 250 SX career starts.

Davalos: 104 (Record For Most Starts)
Craig: 48
Nice facts bro…
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I think 250 class should be age restricted.
I feel a lot of younger inexperienced riders are getting injured trying to match it with older experienced guys.
Take 2020 for instance forkner and jett both would have not been injured trying to battle with ferrandis.
You could even have a maximum wage. 100k or something so it entices riders to step up.
But with the wage difference isn't much and there's no age rule. Eligible riders will stay in the class as long as they can
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INeedaNewUsername 12/27/2021 6:30pm
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glad he still gets to ride instead of working for a living, but is he really a threat and is he taking a ride from anybody else?
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