Cairoli leading MX1 world championship on a 400

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Edited Date/Time 1/27/2012 1:58pm
Cairoli's team manager said on the live freecaster show last weekend that he is running a 400 right now, so he's beating the 450s on a smaller bike. I heard he runs a 380 as well.

KTM has developed and is testing a 350. I heard Goncalves tested it already.

Interesting. Everyone keeps defending 450s, but the MX1 teams are finding out that 450s are too big, and getting their asses kicked by a 400.

First I heard of it!

haha

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So what, during the '70's right up the the late 80's almost no one had a 500cc motor for the 500's class. They were usually 370-425cc. I dont get the surprise here.
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less throttle control..just hit it full throttle
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haha?? this sounds like a southpark feud.
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That might be one reason why he hauls at the end of the races, while the others fade.

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JackLHyde wrote:
That might be one reason why he hauls at the end of the races, while the others fade.
Did you ever see RC fade at the end of the races when he was on a 450?
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JackLHyde wrote:
That might be one reason why he hauls at the end of the races, while the others fade.
The Rock wrote:
Did you ever see RC fade at the end of the races when he was on a 450?
Obviously it isn't a fair comparison to mention RC in the same sentence as Cairolli or anyone he is currently racing.
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To cheer the fans! Wouldn't you with a mile in front of 2nd?

There were some good examples lately, like the 1st moto of Germany and the Latvian GP. AC smoked everybody in the last 10 minutes!
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that's fine... why stop making the 450 then if teams can just tune it down to their liking? sounds better to start with too much and tune it down than to start with too little and max it out in my opinion.
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but i thought a 4 stroke was SOOOOO much easier to go fast on.......
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7/7/2009 5:45am Edited Date/Time 7/7/2009 5:45am
Racetime wrote:
Cairoli's team manager said on the live freecaster show last weekend that he is running a 400 right now, so he's beating the 450s on a...
Cairoli's team manager said on the live freecaster show last weekend that he is running a 400 right now, so he's beating the 450s on a smaller bike. I heard he runs a 380 as well.

KTM has developed and is testing a 350. I heard Goncalves tested it already.

Interesting. Everyone keeps defending 450s, but the MX1 teams are finding out that 450s are too big, and getting their asses kicked by a 400.

First I heard of it!

haha

fixed it for you....

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we have all seen guys on 250F's beat guys on 450's. it's not always about horsepower.
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That's pretty cool! Tnx for the info Teef!
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Very interesting I guess the factories are starting to believe the same thing a lot of us are. I had a 98 YZ400 and while I know it bears almost no resemblence to the current GP bike AC is on it was and will remain the best powerband and the most perfect amount of power on any bike i've ever ridden
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"Interesting. Everyone keeps defending 450s, but the MX1 teams are finding out that 450s are too big, and getting their asses kicked by a 400.

First I heard of it!

haha "

I heard they use strobes also.
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Racetime wrote:
Cairoli's team manager said on the live freecaster show last weekend that he is running a 400 right now, so he's beating the 450s on a...
Cairoli's team manager said on the live freecaster show last weekend that he is running a 400 right now, so he's beating the 450s on a smaller bike. I heard he runs a 380 as well.

KTM has developed and is testing a 350. I heard Goncalves tested it already.

Interesting. Everyone keeps defending 450s, but the MX1 teams are finding out that 450s are too big, and getting their asses kicked by a 400.

First I heard of it!

haha

Yep, and the fim and AMA are going to 350s right? Lmao
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GIwasB4 wrote:
"Interesting. Everyone keeps defending 450s, but the MX1 teams are finding out that 450s are too big, and getting their asses kicked by a 400. First...
"Interesting. Everyone keeps defending 450s, but the MX1 teams are finding out that 450s are too big, and getting their asses kicked by a 400.

First I heard of it!

haha "

I heard they use strobes also.
The fun part is that so many people think they need a 450 because of the power! I guess they don't know something Cairoli don't know?
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Remember his first outings on the 450? I thought he's gonna kill himself...
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I need strobes or I can't take pictures.

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JackL-

Cairoli's first outing on the 450 was in the UK GP in Donnington 2007 where he won the MX1 GP (2 moto wins) in his debut in the class on a 450. He did it in the season he won his second MX2 title, he decided not to race the MX2 (he had just won the title) that day and try his luck in the MX1. He did everything but kill himself, he rather killed the competition.
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You're right. Anyway I remember some pretty wild rides aboard the 450.
7/7/2009 1:36pm
Could it be the reason he is kicking ass is because he is the fastest rider in that series.
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neverwas wrote:
Could it be the reason he is kicking ass is because he is the fastest rider in that series.
Don't confuse everyone now with your logic...Wink
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Further proof the guy lacks fitness and could never have run with RC or JS as his Budds Creek performance proved.
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Thats what smoking cigarettes does to you.
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7/7/2009 4:21pm Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 12:48am
I think at the 2007 MXoN both Cairoli and Villopoto set faster laptimes than Ricky on the 450. Im sure Ricky was one of the few guys who could ring a 450s neck for a full moto but I still think he would have been faster on a 350. It just seems like it would be the perfect balance of power and weight. I know Stefan Everts believes that it would be the ideal displacement too.



Heres some interesting stats I pulled of the YS website (wich incidentally MxSports should go copy immediateley as theirs does suck very badly) It shows how cairoli winds himself up every race just getting faster as the race gos on. I would imagine this has something to do with his new lower displacement as he wasnt doing that before he made the transition to 400cc.





Fastest lap on 19th lap



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Lap Laptime Section 1 Section 2 Section 3

1 2:04.476 0:34.362 0:56.321 0:33.793

2 2:01.818 0:33.420 0:54.006 0:34.392

3 1:59.637 0:33.517 0:53.233 0:32.887

4 1:58.767 0:32.128 0:53.471 0:33.168

5 1:57.299 0:31.932 0:52.461 0:32.906

6 1:58.244 0:31.684 0:53.342 0:33.218

7 1:57.916 0:32.093 0:53.389 0:32.434

8 1:59.527 0:33.723 0:53.054 0:32.750

9 1:55.424 0:31.688 0:51.072 0:32.664

10 1:55.197 0:31.398 0:51.461 0:32.338

11 1:57.003 0:31.398 0:52.758 0:32.847

12 1:57.291 0:31.800 0:52.827 0:32.664

13 1:58.114 0:31.840 0:52.980 0:33.294

14 1:56.336 0:31.654 0:52.082 0:32.600

15 1:56.186 0:31.957 0:52.031 0:32.198

16 1:57.710 0:31.584 0:53.333 0:32.793

17 1:59.773 0:31.627 0:55.288 0:32.858

18 1:55.424 0:31.262 0:51.730 0:32.432

19 1:54.832 0:30.576 0:51.461 0:32.795

20 1:56.911 0:31.255 0:52.844 0:32.812



Fastest lap on 17th lap



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Lap Laptime Section 1 Section 2 Section 3

1 2:00.714 0:43.284 0:33.033 0:44.396

2 1:57.724 0:42.736 0:31.393 0:43.594

3 1:54.966 0:41.548 0:30.388 0:43.029

4 1:55.049 0:41.255 0:30.775 0:43.018

5 1:56.711 0:41.902 0:31.790 0:43.018

6 1:54.976 0:41.087 0:31.351 0:42.537

7 1:53.047 0:41.256 0:29.873 0:41.917

8 1:53.975 0:42.192 0:29.941 0:41.841

9 1:53.106 0:41.188 0:30.265 0:41.652

10 1:53.150 0:41.054 0:30.579 0:41.516

11 1:55.983 0:41.321 0:31.555 0:43.106

12 2:01.576 0:49.583 0:30.359 0:41.633

13 1:53.614 0:41.702 0:30.463 0:41.448

14 1:52.462 0:41.066 0:29.770 0:41.625

15 1:53.919 0:41.569 0:30.972 0:41.377

16 1:54.605 0:42.321 0:30.724 0:41.559

17 1:51.965 0:41.017 0:30.104 0:40.843

18 1:54.195 0:41.889 0:29.876 0:42.429

19 1:53.270 0:41.179 0:30.681 0:41.409

20 1:54.287 0:41.503 0:30.672 0:42.111



fastest lap on final lap



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Lap Laptime Section 1 Section 2 Section 3

1 1:59.081 0:37.530 0:45.218 0:36.332

2 1:57.430 0:37.138 0:44.929 0:35.362

3 1:56.850 0:36.681 0:44.266 0:35.902

4 1:56.126 0:36.886 0:43.796 0:35.443

5 1:55.153 0:37.055 0:44.108 0:33.989

6 1:55.593 0:37.053 0:44.184 0:34.355

7 1:53.807 0:35.608 0:43.454 0:34.744

8 1:55.525 0:36.442 0:44.437 0:34.645

9 1:54.157 0:35.753 0:43.618 0:34.785

10 1:56.011 0:36.350 0:44.170 0:35.490

11 1:56.662 0:36.116 0:45.267 0:35.278

12 1:56.798 0:36.385 0:45.180 0:35.232

13 1:56.189 0:37.620 0:43.651 0:34.917

14 1:57.346 0:37.118 0:44.839 0:35.388

15 1:56.943 0:37.225 0:44.172 0:35.545

16 1:56.346 0:37.074 0:44.372 0:34.899

17 1:58.918 0:36.823 0:46.099 0:35.995

18 1:57.861 0:36.988 0:44.796 0:36.076

19 1:55.208 0:36.813 0:43.487 0:34.907

20 1:53.303 0:35.744 0:43.198 0:34.360
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I've always thought 400cc was a better size than the 450. It keeps the 250 2-stroke competitive and leaves room for an open class. The little bike should be a 220cc.
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That is not the final averaged race/lap times dumbass. We don't give two shits about timed qualifying in the USA. Means absolutely ZERO. We want our qualifier races back. not this euro shit.

Post the race times and stfu.

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7/7/2009 6:35pm Edited Date/Time 7/7/2009 6:38pm
Thats a break down of his laptimes in 3 seperate motos, one from Spain, one from Latvia and one from France, each being 20 laps long(35min + 2 laps). Its not his qualifying tiimes as you say, as they have qualifying races in GPs now. Silly tit.
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7/7/2009 6:43pm Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 12:48am
moto gp guys dropped from 1000 cc's to 800 cc's and are running faster than ever.


We Americans like horsepower and it is counter intuitive for us to think about dropping cc's to go faster. But I know I was faster on a 125 than anything else.


I do pull for AC though... I think I just like his number!
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Racetime wrote:
I need strobes or I can't take pictures.

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And American Honda had no idea what was going on only you did...

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