New Italian Law Prohibits Off Road Riding

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Doesn't sound good.
Read it on Adventure Rider
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Falcon 12/17/2021 1:26pm
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Lame. I wonder if the law mentions riding on dirt where there is no "road?"
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byke 12/17/2021 3:42pm
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Even bicycles? What exactly is the problem that they're trying to fix?
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Moto Nomad 12/17/2021 4:31pm
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Fuck that. The world's governments have gone insane, especially the European ninny squad "leaders."
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resetjet 12/17/2021 6:20pm
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We have had this law in florida for years
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SEEMEFIRST 12/18/2021 10:54am
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What are the roads for if you can't operate any vehicle on them?
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kage173 12/18/2021 12:31pm
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It's amazing to me that a post about the wheelie Boyz or former pros racing Lorettas will get 14 pages of comments. But an entire country being shut down for dirtbikes and nobody really cares.

If you think this won't happen where you live, you're wrong.
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Suicidal_Tendencies 12/18/2021 12:46pm
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kage173 wrote:
It's amazing to me that a post about the wheelie Boyz or former pros racing Lorettas will get 14 pages of comments. But an entire country...
It's amazing to me that a post about the wheelie Boyz or former pros racing Lorettas will get 14 pages of comments. But an entire country being shut down for dirtbikes and nobody really cares.

If you think this won't happen where you live, you're wrong.
Unfortunately you are correct. This will become more and more common.
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moto9 12/18/2021 12:50pm
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That's happening everywhere here in the U.S.
San Diego county has the same regulations.
Millions of dollars and extreme political efforts are fueled into shutting down off highway areas across the U.S., look at what wealthy organizations like the Sierra club are doing.
Motorcyclists have almost no voice and little effort in comparison to fight back... we are loosing on a big scale.
Even places like Moab are under attack.
It's not only that, there's development and liability risks closing places down.
Sad to say but it's just a matter of time.
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PjotrrB 12/18/2021 2:06pm
12/18/2021 2:06pm Edited Date/Time 12/18/2021 2:06pm
Allow me to correct the original post.
There is indeed a new law in Italy, which does indeed specify that your not allowed to go “fuoristrada” which is the term used in Italian for off-road usage in moto, mtb etc.
But it literally means outside of existing roads.

The Italian Ministry of Agriculture has reconfirmed that basically everything remains as before.
That one is not allowed to ride outside the existing roads or tracks (paved or unpaved, asphalt, rocks or sand).
Which was always the case here in Italy.
Where we have many beautiful off-road tracks

And that basically everything remains as it was but now written down in law. (They basically invited people to learn to read…)

The various moto magazines and websites that reported on this erroneously better change their reporting

/Peter
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Spudnut 12/18/2021 2:37pm
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That’s a Bull a sheet a 🤌🏻
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byke 12/18/2021 6:08pm
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PjotrrB wrote:
Allow me to correct the original post. There is indeed a new law in Italy, which does indeed specify that your not allowed to go “fuoristrada”...
Allow me to correct the original post.
There is indeed a new law in Italy, which does indeed specify that your not allowed to go “fuoristrada” which is the term used in Italian for off-road usage in moto, mtb etc.
But it literally means outside of existing roads.

The Italian Ministry of Agriculture has reconfirmed that basically everything remains as before.
That one is not allowed to ride outside the existing roads or tracks (paved or unpaved, asphalt, rocks or sand).
Which was always the case here in Italy.
Where we have many beautiful off-road tracks

And that basically everything remains as it was but now written down in law. (They basically invited people to learn to read…)

The various moto magazines and websites that reported on this erroneously better change their reporting

/Peter
Ha, I hate when I get sucked into uninformed outrage. Thank you for your comments.
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LungButter 12/18/2021 10:28pm
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kage173 wrote:
It's amazing to me that a post about the wheelie Boyz or former pros racing Lorettas will get 14 pages of comments. But an entire country...
It's amazing to me that a post about the wheelie Boyz or former pros racing Lorettas will get 14 pages of comments. But an entire country being shut down for dirtbikes and nobody really cares.

If you think this won't happen where you live, you're wrong.
Did you read the article?

Italy just hosted the ISDE, MXdN and tons of rounds of MXGP. If anything, they seem pretty dirt bike friendly at the moment.
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kage173 12/20/2021 6:59am
12/20/2021 6:59am Edited Date/Time 12/20/2021 7:31am
kage173 wrote:
It's amazing to me that a post about the wheelie Boyz or former pros racing Lorettas will get 14 pages of comments. But an entire country...
It's amazing to me that a post about the wheelie Boyz or former pros racing Lorettas will get 14 pages of comments. But an entire country being shut down for dirtbikes and nobody really cares.

If you think this won't happen where you live, you're wrong.
LungButter wrote:
Did you read the article? Italy just hosted the ISDE, MXdN and tons of rounds of MXGP. If anything, they seem pretty dirt bike friendly at...
Did you read the article?

Italy just hosted the ISDE, MXdN and tons of rounds of MXGP. If anything, they seem pretty dirt bike friendly at the moment.
I did read it. Did you? Show me which part says anything like what PjottrB stated.

Here's the part I was responding to...

The Italian government has passed a law that basically makes it illegal for anyone to operate a vehicle in forests and fields on roads under 2.5 meters wide.... Vehicles such as cars, motorcycles, quads, and even bicycles are covered.
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NorCal1975 12/20/2021 9:41am
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kage173 wrote:
I did read it. Did you? Show me which part says anything like what PjottrB stated. Here's the part I was responding to... The Italian government...
I did read it. Did you? Show me which part says anything like what PjottrB stated.

Here's the part I was responding to...

The Italian government has passed a law that basically makes it illegal for anyone to operate a vehicle in forests and fields on roads under 2.5 meters wide.... Vehicles such as cars, motorcycles, quads, and even bicycles are covered.
Google "italian law prohibits off road vehicles" and see what comes up. News/moto outlets are interpreting the law as Kage173 stated it, not how PjottrB summed it up. Maybe all of those outlets are wrong? I hope so, this kind of thing is scary to hear for people that live in states run by control freaks (like California). We have incredible off road riding options in Northern California but I always wonder for how long?
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byke 12/20/2021 9:57am
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kage173 wrote:
I did read it. Did you? Show me which part says anything like what PjottrB stated. Here's the part I was responding to... The Italian government...
I did read it. Did you? Show me which part says anything like what PjottrB stated.

Here's the part I was responding to...

The Italian government has passed a law that basically makes it illegal for anyone to operate a vehicle in forests and fields on roads under 2.5 meters wide.... Vehicles such as cars, motorcycles, quads, and even bicycles are covered.
NorCal1975 wrote:
Google "italian law prohibits off road vehicles" and see what comes up. News/moto outlets are interpreting the law as Kage173 stated it, not how PjottrB summed...
Google "italian law prohibits off road vehicles" and see what comes up. News/moto outlets are interpreting the law as Kage173 stated it, not how PjottrB summed it up. Maybe all of those outlets are wrong? I hope so, this kind of thing is scary to hear for people that live in states run by control freaks (like California). We have incredible off road riding options in Northern California but I always wonder for how long?
PjotrrB gave us a searchable clue to figure out for ourselves when mentioning the "Italian Ministry of Agriculture". The below doesn't read all that well translated to english, but I do think it leans more towards what he was saying, particularly the part stating that, "Nothing is innovated regarding the authorized transit on the aforementioned roads...". To me, it sounds like nothing is changing, more that the current state of affairs are being formalized via legislation.

https://www.politicheagricole.it/flex/cm/pages/ServeBLOB.php/L/IT/IDPag…

It should be noted that the Decree of 28 October 2021, published in the Official Journal no. 286 of 1 December 2021, contains exclusively the guidelines for the Regions with the aim, fully shared by the Regions in the State-Regions Conference and by the coordinating Ministries (MiC and MiTE), to standardize at national level the rules referring to the methods of construction of the forest roads, which already exist in the individual regional legislations, and therefore give uniformity to the heterogeneous nomenclature adopted.

It should be remembered that the primary competence in this matter lies with the Regions, and each region and autonomous province already has its own regional law which governs the strictly technical aspects and the usability of these roads.

The decree moves within the provisions of Article 9 of the Consolidated text of forests and forestry sectors in 2018 (Legislative Decree. N. 34/2018), in force for years, without any repercussion on the issue of the use of roads forest.

Nothing is innovated regarding the authorized transit on the aforementioned roads, it being understood that, as expressly provided for in article 2, paragraph 3 of the decree, the roads and forest tracks are not subject to the safety criteria envisaged for ordinary roads, since it is a matter of of roads excluded by the Highway Code.

Furthermore, as explained by the same paragraph, it is the task of the Regions to regulate the methods of use, management and fruition of forest roads "... taking into account the needs related to forestry-pastoral management and environmental and landscape protection".

It should also be noted that the Regions are also responsible for the prevention of hydrogeological instability and compliance with the provisions of the hydrogeological constraint; therefore, it is up to the Regions to evaluate the effects of pedestrian use, cycle tourism or motorized vehicles other than forestry on the routes, whose effects on unpaved surfaces have very different impacts; they must be evaluated with the utmost attention to the individual territorial realities.

Lastly, it is reiterated that all the Regions unanimously approved the decree and the guidelines, well aware of their own competences and of the management consequences.
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MyBobbym 12/20/2021 4:29pm
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PjotrrB wrote:
Allow me to correct the original post. There is indeed a new law in Italy, which does indeed specify that your not allowed to go “fuoristrada”...
Allow me to correct the original post.
There is indeed a new law in Italy, which does indeed specify that your not allowed to go “fuoristrada” which is the term used in Italian for off-road usage in moto, mtb etc.
But it literally means outside of existing roads.

The Italian Ministry of Agriculture has reconfirmed that basically everything remains as before.
That one is not allowed to ride outside the existing roads or tracks (paved or unpaved, asphalt, rocks or sand).
Which was always the case here in Italy.
Where we have many beautiful off-road tracks

And that basically everything remains as it was but now written down in law. (They basically invited people to learn to read…)

The various moto magazines and websites that reported on this erroneously better change their reporting

/Peter
byke wrote:
Ha, I hate when I get sucked into uninformed outrage. Thank you for your comments.
Fake news... alternative facts... You have been warned.
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