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Juck 10/31/2021 8:53am
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Park Boys wrote:
Uh oh, someone said we are going to a sand track. Which requires the immediate response of only Lommel and Leriop are sand tracks!
Yeah I'm partially guilty of this but my point is that Herlings doesn't have a huge advantage because of the track surface. I'm honestly not sure exactly how much of an advantage he has or if he even has one at all but it's nowhere near the advantage he'd have at Lommel, Lierop, Sardegna etc
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It's not a team sport. And they are not even a part of the same team. I'm not sure how anyone can be fine with letting...
It's not a team sport. And they are not even a part of the same team.

I'm not sure how anyone can be fine with letting someone pass like that, it's competition after all. Those kind of things diminish legitimacy of the whole sport.
Juck wrote:
Jesus Christ why are you so upset about this? The only comments on your account are complaining about this. It's 2 points, I'm not a fan...
Jesus Christ why are you so upset about this? The only comments on your account are complaining about this. It's 2 points, I'm not a fan of team tactics and despite me really wanting Herlings to win this title I'd still prefer if it didn't happen, but why do you have it out for Herlings so bad? Would you still be mad about if the 2 points made no difference to the final championship positions?
Sigmund wrote:
Yes of course, it's not even about the end result. It sets a terrible precedent. You want riders to ride to best of their ability and...
Yes of course, it's not even about the end result. It sets a terrible precedent. You want riders to ride to best of their ability and this was the pinnacle of uncompetitiveness. FIM should penalize them to prevent those kind of things happening in the future. I mean Cairoli is in his own battle for 4th place, it's not like he is riding for fun. I don't see how this is a controversial take.

Saying that you don't like it when riders pull over for their teammates is far from a controversial take, I'd say about 99.9% of moto fans agree with that. What is a controversial take is saying that it would be embarrassing for Herlings not to win the championship because he gained 2 points when Cairoli let him by.
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Park Boys wrote:
Uh oh, someone said we are going to a sand track. Which requires the immediate response of only Lommel and Leriop are sand tracks!
Juck wrote:
Yeah I'm partially guilty of this but my point is that Herlings doesn't have a huge advantage because of the track surface. I'm honestly not sure...
Yeah I'm partially guilty of this but my point is that Herlings doesn't have a huge advantage because of the track surface. I'm honestly not sure exactly how much of an advantage he has or if he even has one at all but it's nowhere near the advantage he'd have at Lommel, Lierop, Sardegna etc
It’s everyone, it will get brought up in a southwick thread even.

The whole Herlings having advantages on certain surfaces is the most over talked about subject of the GP’s. The last time someone really had an advantage over him on harder pack tracks was Roczen a decade ago. Bulgaria 2018 was one of his best races ever IMO on hard pack. The Herlings non- advantage on certain track conditions is over. Hasn’t existed for nearly 10 years. And this is coming from a total non-fan.
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Sigmund 10/31/2021 9:12am
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Juck wrote:
Jesus Christ why are you so upset about this? The only comments on your account are complaining about this. It's 2 points, I'm not a fan...
Jesus Christ why are you so upset about this? The only comments on your account are complaining about this. It's 2 points, I'm not a fan of team tactics and despite me really wanting Herlings to win this title I'd still prefer if it didn't happen, but why do you have it out for Herlings so bad? Would you still be mad about if the 2 points made no difference to the final championship positions?
Sigmund wrote:
Yes of course, it's not even about the end result. It sets a terrible precedent. You want riders to ride to best of their ability and...
Yes of course, it's not even about the end result. It sets a terrible precedent. You want riders to ride to best of their ability and this was the pinnacle of uncompetitiveness. FIM should penalize them to prevent those kind of things happening in the future. I mean Cairoli is in his own battle for 4th place, it's not like he is riding for fun. I don't see how this is a controversial take.

Juck wrote:
Saying that you don't like it when riders pull over for their teammates is far from a controversial take, I'd say about 99.9% of moto fans...
Saying that you don't like it when riders pull over for their teammates is far from a controversial take, I'd say about 99.9% of moto fans agree with that. What is a controversial take is saying that it would be embarrassing for Herlings not to win the championship because he gained 2 points when Cairoli let him by.
It's not just 2 points, if Coldenhoff and Prado actually defended their position he probably wouldn't get past both of them either. But stopping for 7 seconds is just too much.

If Cairoli is winning next sunday and Herlings is 2nd then he stops in the last lap to give him the win, you think that'd be fine too? Or when is it too much for you? Those kind of things should simply be against the rules imo and they should both get point penalty for such things.
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Park Boys wrote:
It’s everyone, it will get brought up in a southwick thread even. The whole Herlings having advantages on certain surfaces is the most over talked about...
It’s everyone, it will get brought up in a southwick thread even.

The whole Herlings having advantages on certain surfaces is the most over talked about subject of the GP’s. The last time someone really had an advantage over him on harder pack tracks was Roczen a decade ago. Bulgaria 2018 was one of his best races ever IMO on hard pack. The Herlings non- advantage on certain track conditions is over. Hasn’t existed for nearly 10 years. And this is coming from a total non-fan.
It’s the truth dude.

Come over and visit a GP in Lommel or a Dutch Master. You will talk differently about sand tracks an Herlings his advantage.
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Its not that Herlings asked for it. So giving him a points penalty would be unfair imo.
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Juck 10/31/2021 9:25am
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Sigmund wrote:
Yes of course, it's not even about the end result. It sets a terrible precedent. You want riders to ride to best of their ability and...
Yes of course, it's not even about the end result. It sets a terrible precedent. You want riders to ride to best of their ability and this was the pinnacle of uncompetitiveness. FIM should penalize them to prevent those kind of things happening in the future. I mean Cairoli is in his own battle for 4th place, it's not like he is riding for fun. I don't see how this is a controversial take.

Juck wrote:
Saying that you don't like it when riders pull over for their teammates is far from a controversial take, I'd say about 99.9% of moto fans...
Saying that you don't like it when riders pull over for their teammates is far from a controversial take, I'd say about 99.9% of moto fans agree with that. What is a controversial take is saying that it would be embarrassing for Herlings not to win the championship because he gained 2 points when Cairoli let him by.
Sigmund wrote:
It's not just 2 points, if Coldenhoff and Prado actually defended their position he probably wouldn't get past both of them either. But stopping for 7...
It's not just 2 points, if Coldenhoff and Prado actually defended their position he probably wouldn't get past both of them either. But stopping for 7 seconds is just too much.

If Cairoli is winning next sunday and Herlings is 2nd then he stops in the last lap to give him the win, you think that'd be fine too? Or when is it too much for you? Those kind of things should simply be against the rules imo and they should both get point penalty for such things.
Did we watch the same race? Prado and Coldenhoff clearly tried to hold him off.
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Arofin wrote:
2 gp's left in sand...
Sigmund wrote:
With Cairoli, Prado and Coldenhoff not racing him and letting him pass all the time it would be embarrassing not to win now.
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Juck 10/31/2021 9:27am
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Park Boys wrote:
Uh oh, someone said we are going to a sand track. Which requires the immediate response of only Lommel and Leriop are sand tracks!
Juck wrote:
Yeah I'm partially guilty of this but my point is that Herlings doesn't have a huge advantage because of the track surface. I'm honestly not sure...
Yeah I'm partially guilty of this but my point is that Herlings doesn't have a huge advantage because of the track surface. I'm honestly not sure exactly how much of an advantage he has or if he even has one at all but it's nowhere near the advantage he'd have at Lommel, Lierop, Sardegna etc
Park Boys wrote:
It’s everyone, it will get brought up in a southwick thread even. The whole Herlings having advantages on certain surfaces is the most over talked about...
It’s everyone, it will get brought up in a southwick thread even.

The whole Herlings having advantages on certain surfaces is the most over talked about subject of the GP’s. The last time someone really had an advantage over him on harder pack tracks was Roczen a decade ago. Bulgaria 2018 was one of his best races ever IMO on hard pack. The Herlings non- advantage on certain track conditions is over. Hasn’t existed for nearly 10 years. And this is coming from a total non-fan.
Do you mean he's not at a disadvantage on hard pack or that's he's not at a disadvantage on hard pack and he's not at an advantage on sand?
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ayearinmx 10/31/2021 9:29am
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Juck wrote:
Did we watch the same race? Prado and Coldenhoff clearly tried to hold him off.
looking at the lapcharts, Coldenhoff held Herlings up for zero laps (less than a corner from memory) in the first race, and then less than 1 lap on two separate occasions in race two
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Park Boys 10/31/2021 9:31am
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Park Boys wrote:
It’s everyone, it will get brought up in a southwick thread even. The whole Herlings having advantages on certain surfaces is the most over talked about...
It’s everyone, it will get brought up in a southwick thread even.

The whole Herlings having advantages on certain surfaces is the most over talked about subject of the GP’s. The last time someone really had an advantage over him on harder pack tracks was Roczen a decade ago. Bulgaria 2018 was one of his best races ever IMO on hard pack. The Herlings non- advantage on certain track conditions is over. Hasn’t existed for nearly 10 years. And this is coming from a total non-fan.
Bidirella wrote:
It’s the truth dude. Come over and visit a GP in Lommel or a Dutch Master. You will talk differently about sand tracks an Herlings his...
It’s the truth dude.

Come over and visit a GP in Lommel or a Dutch Master. You will talk differently about sand tracks an Herlings his advantage.
You missed the point or perhaps I didn’t explain it well. There is no track where Herlings is at a disadvantage. Sure at Lommel he has a big advantage but at no point anywhere in the series is there a surface where he is at a disadvantage.
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Sigmund 10/31/2021 9:33am
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Juck wrote:
Saying that you don't like it when riders pull over for their teammates is far from a controversial take, I'd say about 99.9% of moto fans...
Saying that you don't like it when riders pull over for their teammates is far from a controversial take, I'd say about 99.9% of moto fans agree with that. What is a controversial take is saying that it would be embarrassing for Herlings not to win the championship because he gained 2 points when Cairoli let him by.
Sigmund wrote:
It's not just 2 points, if Coldenhoff and Prado actually defended their position he probably wouldn't get past both of them either. But stopping for 7...
It's not just 2 points, if Coldenhoff and Prado actually defended their position he probably wouldn't get past both of them either. But stopping for 7 seconds is just too much.

If Cairoli is winning next sunday and Herlings is 2nd then he stops in the last lap to give him the win, you think that'd be fine too? Or when is it too much for you? Those kind of things should simply be against the rules imo and they should both get point penalty for such things.
Juck wrote:
Did we watch the same race? Prado and Coldenhoff clearly tried to hold him off.
Prado moved to alternative slower line each time Herlings got close to him and didn't try to close his lines at all. You can't be serious arguing he tried his best to hold the position. He held Seewer behind who has similar pace as Herlings on this track for multiple laps few days ago, today Herlings passed three times easily. Similar with Coldenhoff, he closed off Gajser last sunday for 2nd position, but didn't offer much resistance to Herlings today.
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Park Boys 10/31/2021 9:33am
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Juck wrote:
Yeah I'm partially guilty of this but my point is that Herlings doesn't have a huge advantage because of the track surface. I'm honestly not sure...
Yeah I'm partially guilty of this but my point is that Herlings doesn't have a huge advantage because of the track surface. I'm honestly not sure exactly how much of an advantage he has or if he even has one at all but it's nowhere near the advantage he'd have at Lommel, Lierop, Sardegna etc
Park Boys wrote:
It’s everyone, it will get brought up in a southwick thread even. The whole Herlings having advantages on certain surfaces is the most over talked about...
It’s everyone, it will get brought up in a southwick thread even.

The whole Herlings having advantages on certain surfaces is the most over talked about subject of the GP’s. The last time someone really had an advantage over him on harder pack tracks was Roczen a decade ago. Bulgaria 2018 was one of his best races ever IMO on hard pack. The Herlings non- advantage on certain track conditions is over. Hasn’t existed for nearly 10 years. And this is coming from a total non-fan.
Juck wrote:
Do you mean he's not at a disadvantage on hard pack or that's he's not at a disadvantage on hard pack and he's not at an...
Do you mean he's not at a disadvantage on hard pack or that's he's not at a disadvantage on hard pack and he's not at an advantage on sand?
I probably explained it wrong. He’s not at a disadvantage anywhere and if it’s sandyish at all he’s at an advantage.
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greg570 10/31/2021 9:34am
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Herlings championship to loose now. Two sand races, he raced there a few weeks ago plus a bunch of riders ready to help him in case he needs some points.

Today however...what a mistakes by herlings...could have ended his season...very lucky indeed...
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Juck 10/31/2021 9:45am
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Sigmund wrote:
It's not just 2 points, if Coldenhoff and Prado actually defended their position he probably wouldn't get past both of them either. But stopping for 7...
It's not just 2 points, if Coldenhoff and Prado actually defended their position he probably wouldn't get past both of them either. But stopping for 7 seconds is just too much.

If Cairoli is winning next sunday and Herlings is 2nd then he stops in the last lap to give him the win, you think that'd be fine too? Or when is it too much for you? Those kind of things should simply be against the rules imo and they should both get point penalty for such things.
Juck wrote:
Did we watch the same race? Prado and Coldenhoff clearly tried to hold him off.
Sigmund wrote:
Prado moved to alternative slower line each time Herlings got close to him and didn't try to close his lines at all. You can't be serious...
Prado moved to alternative slower line each time Herlings got close to him and didn't try to close his lines at all. You can't be serious arguing he tried his best to hold the position. He held Seewer behind who has similar pace as Herlings on this track for multiple laps few days ago, today Herlings passed three times easily. Similar with Coldenhoff, he closed off Gajser last sunday for 2nd position, but didn't offer much resistance to Herlings today.
Prado didn't fight off Herlings as hard as Seewer because he didn't fight off anyone as hard for 6th or whatever it was, go back and watch both races, as Prado loses positions he tries less hard the lower the position he's fighting for
Boomslang 10/31/2021 9:48am
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Sigmund wrote:
Yes of course, it's not even about the end result. It sets a terrible precedent. You want riders to ride to best of their ability and...
Yes of course, it's not even about the end result. It sets a terrible precedent. You want riders to ride to best of their ability and this was the pinnacle of uncompetitiveness. FIM should penalize them to prevent those kind of things happening in the future. I mean Cairoli is in his own battle for 4th place, it's not like he is riding for fun. I don't see how this is a controversial take.

Juck wrote:
Saying that you don't like it when riders pull over for their teammates is far from a controversial take, I'd say about 99.9% of moto fans...
Saying that you don't like it when riders pull over for their teammates is far from a controversial take, I'd say about 99.9% of moto fans agree with that. What is a controversial take is saying that it would be embarrassing for Herlings not to win the championship because he gained 2 points when Cairoli let him by.
Sigmund wrote:
It's not just 2 points, if Coldenhoff and Prado actually defended their position he probably wouldn't get past both of them either. But stopping for 7...
It's not just 2 points, if Coldenhoff and Prado actually defended their position he probably wouldn't get past both of them either. But stopping for 7 seconds is just too much.

If Cairoli is winning next sunday and Herlings is 2nd then he stops in the last lap to give him the win, you think that'd be fine too? Or when is it too much for you? Those kind of things should simply be against the rules imo and they should both get point penalty for such things.
How would one stop someone pulling over? What if Tony said he had a stomach cramp and needed to pull over....took 7 seconds for the cramp to go away...shit example but surely you get the drift.

Absolutely no way to control it...its called rider/team tactics...99% sports have it.
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Sigmund wrote:
Prado moved to alternative slower line each time Herlings got close to him and didn't try to close his lines at all. You can't be serious...
Prado moved to alternative slower line each time Herlings got close to him and didn't try to close his lines at all. You can't be serious arguing he tried his best to hold the position. He held Seewer behind who has similar pace as Herlings on this track for multiple laps few days ago, today Herlings passed three times easily. Similar with Coldenhoff, he closed off Gajser last sunday for 2nd position, but didn't offer much resistance to Herlings today.
What world are you living in? First race Prado tried to keep Herlings behind and did massive overjump on downhill before pits. He hurt his bad back and had to roll around last laps. He sure didnt move away for Herlings.
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kaidodragon 10/31/2021 9:53am
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Fastest laps of the races

MX2 race 1

1/ Rene Hofer = 1.43.477
2/ Maxime Renaux = 1.44.080
3/ Ruben Fernandez = 1.44.575
4/ Tom Vialle = 1.44.639
5/ Jed Beaton = 1.44.741
6/ Mikkel Haarup = 1.44.840
7/ Conrad Mewse = 1.44.843
8/ Wilson Todd = 1.44.846
9/ Kay De Wolf = 1.45.283
10/ Thibault Benistant = 1.45.397

MXGP race 1

1/ Jeremy Seewer = 1.42.617
2/ Jeffrey Herlings = 1.43.127
3/ Antonio Cairoli = 1.43.177
4/ Romain Febvre = 1.43.222
5/ Tim Gajser = 1.43.413
6/ Jorge Prado Garcia = 1.43.439
7/ Glenn Coldenhoff = 1.43.598
8/ Alessandro Lupino = 1.44.238
9/ Thomas Kjer Olsen = 1.44.598
10/ Dylan Wright = 1.44.686

MX2 race 2

1/ Maxime Renaux = 1.42.887
2/ Tom Vialle = 1.44.286
3/ Kay De Wolf = 1.44.570
4/ Thibault Benistant = 1.44.980
5/ Ruben Fernandez = 1.45.114
6/ Wilson Todd = 1.45.293
7/ Rene Hofer = 1.45.331
8/ Simon Laengenfelder = 1.45.361
9/ Jed Beaton = 1.45.392
10/ Mikkel Haarup = 1.45.420

MXGP race 2

1/ Tim Gajser = 1.42.948
2/ Jeffrey Herlings = 1.43.291
3/ Jeremy Seewer = 1.43.817
4/ Romain Febvre = 1.43.912
5/ Antonio Cairoli = 1.44.212
6/ Glenn Coldenhoff = 1.45.206
7/ Jorge Prado Garcia = 1.45.208
8/ Benoit Paturel = 1.45.379
9/ Thomas Kjer Olsen = 1.45.485
10/ Dylan Wright = 1.45.508

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Boy KTM REAALLLY Love team tactics. Been that way since 03. Lame.
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Let herlings bye
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They live for that shit
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Nevermind the cairoli thing, getting back to 5th after those 2 crashes? Are you f kidding me? That dude is unreal! What a year to be a fan of the sport!
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The French have some hell of the year in motocross, even more if Febvre also gets it done.
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Johnny Ringo wrote:
Boy KTM REAALLLY Love team tactics. Been that way since 03. Lame.
Every team/manufacturer would do exactly the same thing 🤦🏻‍♂️
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Cortami79 10/31/2021 10:26am
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All drama of MXGP class aside, Renaux really deserved that championship. Not many people know the amount of injuries this guy had to face the first few years of his 250 career
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Johnny Ringo wrote:
Boy KTM REAALLLY Love team tactics. Been that way since 03. Lame.
RG1 wrote:
Every team/manufacturer would do exactly the same thing 🤦🏻‍♂️
Doubt it
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Cairoli trying to make up for his dumbass youngster teammate.
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