Australia's system

9/19/2021 3:16am Edited Date/Time 9/19/2021 3:17am
felpro wrote:
Australia's Anti-Bok System [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/09/19/510712/s1200_Screen_Shot_2021_09_19_at_8.03.32_pm.jpg[/img]
Australia's Anti-Bok System


Ya, there are some mean looking dudes in your guys team. Punished us properly and next weeked the damn All Blacks will do some real damage.
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Australia now..

You over cook chicken you go to jail.
You under-cook fish, right to jail.
You make an appt with the dentist and not show up, go right to jail.
Driving to fast, go right to jail. No trial.
Playing music too loud, right to jail.
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9/28/2021 12:28pm
Brad460 wrote:
Australia now.. You over cook chicken you go to jail. You under-cook fish, right to jail. You make an appt with the dentist and not show...
Australia now..

You over cook chicken you go to jail.
You under-cook fish, right to jail.
You make an appt with the dentist and not show up, go right to jail.
Driving to fast, go right to jail. No trial.
Playing music too loud, right to jail.
Charging too high of prices for sweaters or glasses, jail.
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9/28/2021 1:00pm Edited Date/Time 9/28/2021 2:38pm
Brad460 wrote:
Australia now.. You over cook chicken you go to jail. You under-cook fish, right to jail. You make an appt with the dentist and not show...
Australia now..

You over cook chicken you go to jail.
You under-cook fish, right to jail.
You make an appt with the dentist and not show up, go right to jail.
Driving to fast, go right to jail. No trial.
Playing music too loud, right to jail.
And yet the incarnation rate is 4 times higher in the US
https://www.sentencingcouncil.vic.gov.au/sentencing-statistics/internat…

But great post to drag out a 2 week old thread 😂

Yes, we take a hard stance against Covid. However it does come with a big positive. We have had 1,256 covid deaths. Which is one of the lowest rates per capita in the world.

Once again, it is only 2 cities currently in lockdown, both of which are starting to lift restrictions this week, with almost all gone in 4 more weeks when we are forecast to hit our vaccination targets.

Here is a photo taken on Saturday at our football grand final (basically our super bowl) played in front of 60k fans, basically none of which are wearing masks.
So once again there is a little more to it than what a few media organizations choose to portray.





I am not here to argue how any country should or should not deal with covid, we have seen how that ends. And frankly if anyone thinks their country has done a perfect job, they are flat out wrong.
And I am not saying some in Australia don’t disagree with our current strategy

However I would just like to point out that living in Australia today is not like what some media organizations portray in 20 second news clips, and it is absolutely nothing like what some members here seem to think it is.

P.s overcooking chicken should be a jailable offense….nothing worse than dry chicken 😆


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9/28/2021 2:16pm
Brad460 wrote:
Australia now.. You over cook chicken you go to jail. You under-cook fish, right to jail. You make an appt with the dentist and not show...
Australia now..

You over cook chicken you go to jail.
You under-cook fish, right to jail.
You make an appt with the dentist and not show up, go right to jail.
Driving to fast, go right to jail. No trial.
Playing music too loud, right to jail.
These days you get arrested and thrown in jail if you say you're Australian
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Brad460 wrote:
Australia now.. You over cook chicken you go to jail. You under-cook fish, right to jail. You make an appt with the dentist and not show...
Australia now..

You over cook chicken you go to jail.
You under-cook fish, right to jail.
You make an appt with the dentist and not show up, go right to jail.
Driving to fast, go right to jail. No trial.
Playing music too loud, right to jail.
These days you get arrested and thrown in jail if you say you're Australian
By George, you should be thrown in gaol for not knowing your own queen's English!
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These days you get arrested and thrown in jail if you say you're Australian
I thought we were the jail to you filthy poms?

Australia is still great and will be getting even better in a couple more weeks when we're allowed to open everything back up again.

Don't listen to everything you hear on the news, our recent protests were a few thousand whack jobs internet researchers and professional troublemakers posing as out of work tradesmen pushing an agenda and using it as an excuse to fight the police. The vast majority of Australia has supported the governments policy on Covid thus far. We hate the lockdowns but we are proud of the low mortality rate we've achieved and understand that one causes the other.

When the world opens again i hope everyone takes the opportunity to come and visit, im sure all you cunts will love it.
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haydos25 wrote:
I thought we were the jail to you filthy poms? Australia is still great and will be getting even better in a couple more weeks when...
I thought we were the jail to you filthy poms?

Australia is still great and will be getting even better in a couple more weeks when we're allowed to open everything back up again.

Don't listen to everything you hear on the news, our recent protests were a few thousand whack jobs internet researchers and professional troublemakers posing as out of work tradesmen pushing an agenda and using it as an excuse to fight the police. The vast majority of Australia has supported the governments policy on Covid thus far. We hate the lockdowns but we are proud of the low mortality rate we've achieved and understand that one causes the other.

When the world opens again i hope everyone takes the opportunity to come and visit, im sure all you cunts will love it.
Your news is likely casting things in a better light than they really are..

I have a co-worker who wasn’t allowed to come back into Australia for two weeks after a business trip to New Zealand- that’s not right..

I think the US covid death rate is more indicative of our general unhealthy obese population more so than anything. Also, comparing states that locked down versus those who didn’t- lockdowns don’t work.

Anyways, we have relatives in Australia (my wife’s uncle and cousins) so hope to visit soon!
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9/28/2021 6:01pm Edited Date/Time 9/28/2021 6:02pm
haydos25 wrote:
I thought we were the jail to you filthy poms? Australia is still great and will be getting even better in a couple more weeks when...
I thought we were the jail to you filthy poms?

Australia is still great and will be getting even better in a couple more weeks when we're allowed to open everything back up again.

Don't listen to everything you hear on the news, our recent protests were a few thousand whack jobs internet researchers and professional troublemakers posing as out of work tradesmen pushing an agenda and using it as an excuse to fight the police. The vast majority of Australia has supported the governments policy on Covid thus far. We hate the lockdowns but we are proud of the low mortality rate we've achieved and understand that one causes the other.

When the world opens again i hope everyone takes the opportunity to come and visit, im sure all you cunts will love it.
Brad460 wrote:
Your news is likely casting things in a better light than they really are.. I have a co-worker who wasn’t allowed to come back into Australia...
Your news is likely casting things in a better light than they really are..

I have a co-worker who wasn’t allowed to come back into Australia for two weeks after a business trip to New Zealand- that’s not right..

I think the US covid death rate is more indicative of our general unhealthy obese population more so than anything. Also, comparing states that locked down versus those who didn’t- lockdowns don’t work.

Anyways, we have relatives in Australia (my wife’s uncle and cousins) so hope to visit soon!
"Your news is likely casting things in a better light than they really are."
luckily we have Brad from Vital telling us how bad it really is here. Thanks for letting us know.
Anyway, now i have to go and be sad/angry.
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9/28/2021 6:03pm Edited Date/Time 9/28/2021 6:04pm
MO 23 wrote:
"Your news is likely casting things in a better light than they really are." luckily we have Brad from Vital telling us how bad it really...
"Your news is likely casting things in a better light than they really are."
luckily we have Brad from Vital telling us how bad it really is here. Thanks for letting us know.
Anyway, now i have to go and be sad/angry.
Laughing
I didn’t say it was bad, but was is true is that your countries lockdowns are the most strict in the world. And, I think it’s debatable if lockdowns work or not. You all seem to be ok with giving up your freedom and that is ok for you.
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9/28/2021 6:31pm Edited Date/Time 9/28/2021 6:39pm
MO 23 wrote:
"Your news is likely casting things in a better light than they really are." luckily we have Brad from Vital telling us how bad it really...
"Your news is likely casting things in a better light than they really are."
luckily we have Brad from Vital telling us how bad it really is here. Thanks for letting us know.
Anyway, now i have to go and be sad/angry.
Laughing
Brad460 wrote:
I didn’t say it was bad, but was is true is that your countries lockdowns are the most strict in the world. And, I think it’s...
I didn’t say it was bad, but was is true is that your countries lockdowns are the most strict in the world. And, I think it’s debatable if lockdowns work or not. You all seem to be ok with giving up your freedom and that is ok for you.
The lockdowns categorically did work last year, we had outbreaks and returned to 0 cases per day, and then basically had zero restrictions other than those at the border.
Delta has made them much less effective, and once again, outside of Sydney and Melbourne, most Australians have had basically zero restrictions since April 2020

Yes they are strict, there is no doubting that. but its not all doom and gloom, there are pros and cons to everything, every country has had challenges. that includes the US, Australia and everywhere in between

I would say we are not ok with giving up our freedoms per se, but we are ok with making sacrifices in order to protect those vulnerable, and also those in the rest of the country who are not locked down.

One thing i do absolutely agree with you on is the difficulty for some people returning from overseas, I agree that this is not acceptable.

But thanks for your concerns, I assure you Australia is still a pretty great place, the economy is doing well all things considered, unemployment is relatively low, in another month most restrictions should be lifted.
Life is good
When you do visit your relatives, I am sure you will be welcomed with a cold beer and friendly people.

Have a good evening
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I agree with MO 23 and haydos25.

Most of my MX friends are anti-vax (Covid wise), anti lockdown and ticked off with the situation. We all think the government has gone too far with their rules and restrictions.

Most of us are just working through it. None of us own semi-automatic weapons but we own knives and cars and bats and tractors and other items that could be used as weapons.

No-one I know would suggest that it would be smart to try to regain our lost freedoms with any violence against police or anyone else.

No-one I know is that dumb.

Some of us have lost chances to race in the last 2 years, some in lesser affected states have had more chances to hit the dirt. I took my YXZ out on Monday. No army or police to be seen. I did carry a travel permit though, which is weird but a good source of jokes about Ze Germans and whatnot.

There are some who have had their businesses decimated despite government assistance. Everyone will carry a tax burden into the future and pass it on to the next generation. It's all a bit strange.

The battles now are the proposed vaccine passports/restrictions. This will be a huge divide until someone gets their shit sorted.




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9/28/2021 11:39pm
haydos25 wrote:
I thought we were the jail to you filthy poms? Australia is still great and will be getting even better in a couple more weeks when...
I thought we were the jail to you filthy poms?

Australia is still great and will be getting even better in a couple more weeks when we're allowed to open everything back up again.

Don't listen to everything you hear on the news, our recent protests were a few thousand whack jobs internet researchers and professional troublemakers posing as out of work tradesmen pushing an agenda and using it as an excuse to fight the police. The vast majority of Australia has supported the governments policy on Covid thus far. We hate the lockdowns but we are proud of the low mortality rate we've achieved and understand that one causes the other.

When the world opens again i hope everyone takes the opportunity to come and visit, im sure all you cunts will love it.
An Englishman is going through Australia customs, the man behind the desk asks him "do you have a criminal record?" The man replies "No, I didn't realise that it was still a requirement"
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9/29/2021 2:41am
Heggo wrote:
By George, you should be thrown in gaol for not knowing your own queen's English!
When your royalty you can do what you like, just look at the United Kingdoms top nonce Prince Andrew 😂😉
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felpro wrote:
I agree with MO 23 and haydos25. Most of my MX friends are anti-vax (Covid wise), anti lockdown and ticked off with the situation. We all...
I agree with MO 23 and haydos25.

Most of my MX friends are anti-vax (Covid wise), anti lockdown and ticked off with the situation. We all think the government has gone too far with their rules and restrictions.

Most of us are just working through it. None of us own semi-automatic weapons but we own knives and cars and bats and tractors and other items that could be used as weapons.

No-one I know would suggest that it would be smart to try to regain our lost freedoms with any violence against police or anyone else.

No-one I know is that dumb.

Some of us have lost chances to race in the last 2 years, some in lesser affected states have had more chances to hit the dirt. I took my YXZ out on Monday. No army or police to be seen. I did carry a travel permit though, which is weird but a good source of jokes about Ze Germans and whatnot.

There are some who have had their businesses decimated despite government assistance. Everyone will carry a tax burden into the future and pass it on to the next generation. It's all a bit strange.

The battles now are the proposed vaccine passports/restrictions. This will be a huge divide until someone gets their shit sorted.




"No-one I know would suggest that it would be smart to try to regain our lost freedoms with any violence against police or anyone else."

You must not know any of these people. Wink

https://twitter.com/RealSpikeCohen/status/1439231511308509186?s=20
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9/29/2021 7:31am Edited Date/Time 9/30/2021 8:03am
Many anti-vax, anti-mask, fake ass freedom fighters here (in US) are using Australia as their example of what could happen if you let your freedom slip away. Sensationalizing everything and saying everyone is locked in their homes and lost their jobs. It really is sad how the media feeds to their audience, whoever it may be.
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9/29/2021 8:34am Edited Date/Time 9/29/2021 1:20pm
seth505 wrote:
Many anti-vax, anti-mask, fake ass freedom fighters here (in US) are using Australia as their example of what could happen if you let your freedom slip...
Many anti-vax, anti-mask, fake ass freedom fighters here (in US) are using Australia as their example of what could happen if you let your freedom slip away. Sensationalizing everything and saying everyone is locked in their homes and lost their jobs. It really is sad how the media feeds to their audience, whoever it may be.
https://www.skynews.com.au/world-news/united-states/australias-covid-re…

Then there are people like the Florida Governor that are suggesting that we are “worse than China” and the US should cut all diplomatic ties with Australia.
Despite us just signing a pact that ties us closer than ever, you guys just signed up to share your nuclear submarine technology with us. Only the second country since Britain some 60 years ago.
It’s ridiculous to suggest cutting off a long time ally, an ally that has stood side by side with the US in more wars than any other nation just because of a different Covid strategy.
He also blatantly lies when he implies that we are under martial law.

Does anybody here actually think we should cut diplomatic ties?
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9/29/2021 2:18pm
MO 23 wrote:
https://www.skynews.com.au/world-news/united-states/australias-covid-response-is-off-the-rails-florida-governor-ron-desantis/video/681f25e8c68639f32533e17968f6f5b4 Then there are people like the Florida Governor that are suggesting that we are “worse than China” and the US should cut all diplomatic ties...
https://www.skynews.com.au/world-news/united-states/australias-covid-re…

Then there are people like the Florida Governor that are suggesting that we are “worse than China” and the US should cut all diplomatic ties with Australia.
Despite us just signing a pact that ties us closer than ever, you guys just signed up to share your nuclear submarine technology with us. Only the second country since Britain some 60 years ago.
It’s ridiculous to suggest cutting off a long time ally, an ally that has stood side by side with the US in more wars than any other nation just because of a different Covid strategy.
He also blatantly lies when he implies that we are under martial law.

Does anybody here actually think we should cut diplomatic ties?
We shouldn't cut diplomatic ties, but we should stop importing Foster's lager...
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MO 23 wrote:
https://www.skynews.com.au/world-news/united-states/australias-covid-response-is-off-the-rails-florida-governor-ron-desantis/video/681f25e8c68639f32533e17968f6f5b4 Then there are people like the Florida Governor that are suggesting that we are “worse than China” and the US should cut all diplomatic ties...
https://www.skynews.com.au/world-news/united-states/australias-covid-re…

Then there are people like the Florida Governor that are suggesting that we are “worse than China” and the US should cut all diplomatic ties with Australia.
Despite us just signing a pact that ties us closer than ever, you guys just signed up to share your nuclear submarine technology with us. Only the second country since Britain some 60 years ago.
It’s ridiculous to suggest cutting off a long time ally, an ally that has stood side by side with the US in more wars than any other nation just because of a different Covid strategy.
He also blatantly lies when he implies that we are under martial law.

Does anybody here actually think we should cut diplomatic ties?
DaveB771 wrote:
We shouldn't cut diplomatic ties, but we should stop importing Foster's lager...
Haha
Well we don’t drink it, so if we don’t send it to the US, it will only be made to sell to the Poms 😆
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Brad460 wrote:
Your news is likely casting things in a better light than they really are.. I have a co-worker who wasn’t allowed to come back into Australia...
Your news is likely casting things in a better light than they really are..

I have a co-worker who wasn’t allowed to come back into Australia for two weeks after a business trip to New Zealand- that’s not right..

I think the US covid death rate is more indicative of our general unhealthy obese population more so than anything. Also, comparing states that locked down versus those who didn’t- lockdowns don’t work.

Anyways, we have relatives in Australia (my wife’s uncle and cousins) so hope to visit soon!
You're assuming my opinion is based solely on the TV news and not on real life experience. You know from someone living in the country/city in question. Thanks for helping me out though i will youtube fox news and do my own research now.

As far as the delays getting into the country that's nothing new since Covid has started, and probably the number one reason our cases have remained comparably low to the rest of the world. There is a cap on passenger numbers entering the country, mainly to ensure we don't overwhelm hotel quarantine. It's the way it is and anyone who has left the country in the last year was aware this was the case prior to leaving. It does suck and i do sympathize with anyone stuck but that's the game they agreed to play.

Things are looking up, Australia will overtake the US in terms of percentage of the population vaccinated by the end of the week, and normal will slowly start to return the end of next week. School kids back to class, community sport back on and most importantly pubs back open. I'm double dosed and have my schooner licence ready for freedom day, no guns or storming the capital required, and personally im proud of that.
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9/30/2021 8:39pm Edited Date/Time 9/30/2021 11:05pm
I was pretty damn disappointed when De Santis described Australia as " Off the rails" and likened us to Communist China.

I like the guy, from what I know about him. As an Australian, to be called out by the guy is disappointing. The fact he is exaggerating how things are here and the fact that he is not entirely wrong.

However, we don't judge America by some media commentary about your Jan 6 thing or by a guy being kneeled on. We saw what we saw and can make appropriate distinctions. You cannot make commentary on a whole country by just some part of the entire setup. He's wrong about military enforcement. 100% wrong.

Interestingly, The population of Florida and Australia is about the same. Only just over 1,250 Australians have died from COVID, compared to more than 54,000 Floridians. Florida averages 350 deaths per day in a state of 22 million people.

I'm sure we both use some spurious data to amass those numbers, but wow!! Maybe we have got it right!!??

So what's going to happen with y'all in the near future? The SX calendar and the destinations hosting that series will see a prolonged and divisive debates about vaccine mandates and passports.

I'm thinking sadly, Australia is just a few weeks ahead of you guys with the rules and restrictions. We are all the same though. We want to do what we can to get beyond Covid. Just some of us want to have a battle (Keyboard or otherwise) whenever a chance to fight comes up.

What a pain in the arse. *

( *US: Pain in the ass)
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Bin-chicken had her had cut-off today..Maggot cost me a lot of money. Now for Hillsong Scum-mo to go. pollies are corrupt shit bags
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seth505 wrote:
Many anti-vax, anti-mask, fake ass freedom fighters here (in US) are using Australia as their example of what could happen if you let your freedom slip...
Many anti-vax, anti-mask, fake ass freedom fighters here (in US) are using Australia as their example of what could happen if you let your freedom slip away. Sensationalizing everything and saying everyone is locked in their homes and lost their jobs. It really is sad how the media feeds to their audience, whoever it may be.
MO 23 wrote:
https://www.skynews.com.au/world-news/united-states/australias-covid-response-is-off-the-rails-florida-governor-ron-desantis/video/681f25e8c68639f32533e17968f6f5b4 Then there are people like the Florida Governor that are suggesting that we are “worse than China” and the US should cut all diplomatic ties...
https://www.skynews.com.au/world-news/united-states/australias-covid-re…

Then there are people like the Florida Governor that are suggesting that we are “worse than China” and the US should cut all diplomatic ties with Australia.
Despite us just signing a pact that ties us closer than ever, you guys just signed up to share your nuclear submarine technology with us. Only the second country since Britain some 60 years ago.
It’s ridiculous to suggest cutting off a long time ally, an ally that has stood side by side with the US in more wars than any other nation just because of a different Covid strategy.
He also blatantly lies when he implies that we are under martial law.

Does anybody here actually think we should cut diplomatic ties?
No rational thinking folks, I’d say.

But remember, this guy is posturing for a possible higher office run and the best way to do that is to invent an ‘enemy’ for people and then swear to defend the masses from the evils of that ‘enemy’…….

It’s theater, but with consequences.
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seth505 wrote:
Many anti-vax, anti-mask, fake ass freedom fighters here (in US) are using Australia as their example of what could happen if you let your freedom slip...
Many anti-vax, anti-mask, fake ass freedom fighters here (in US) are using Australia as their example of what could happen if you let your freedom slip away. Sensationalizing everything and saying everyone is locked in their homes and lost their jobs. It really is sad how the media feeds to their audience, whoever it may be.
MO 23 wrote:
https://www.skynews.com.au/world-news/united-states/australias-covid-response-is-off-the-rails-florida-governor-ron-desantis/video/681f25e8c68639f32533e17968f6f5b4 Then there are people like the Florida Governor that are suggesting that we are “worse than China” and the US should cut all diplomatic ties...
https://www.skynews.com.au/world-news/united-states/australias-covid-re…

Then there are people like the Florida Governor that are suggesting that we are “worse than China” and the US should cut all diplomatic ties with Australia.
Despite us just signing a pact that ties us closer than ever, you guys just signed up to share your nuclear submarine technology with us. Only the second country since Britain some 60 years ago.
It’s ridiculous to suggest cutting off a long time ally, an ally that has stood side by side with the US in more wars than any other nation just because of a different Covid strategy.
He also blatantly lies when he implies that we are under martial law.

Does anybody here actually think we should cut diplomatic ties?
APLMAN99 wrote:
No rational thinking folks, I’d say. But remember, this guy is posturing for a possible higher office run and the best way to do that is...
No rational thinking folks, I’d say.

But remember, this guy is posturing for a possible higher office run and the best way to do that is to invent an ‘enemy’ for people and then swear to defend the masses from the evils of that ‘enemy’…….

It’s theater, but with consequences.
Yeah I agree, Chiz will always Chiz and politicians will always play politics over actually leading.
In a world that is deeply divided we should all be bringing allies closer, not trying to drive them away
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10/2/2021 1:15pm
I know nothing of Ausi politics, but what do you guys think of Clive Palmer?

Going off this video, he appears to be one of the only politicians worldwide that has some balls to speak up and fight back, interesting that Gladys Berejiklian steps down over previous corruption from years ago,, same time Clive is accusing her of taking money from Pfizer (10 min in) to push the vaccine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50zdyhE_ggU
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I know nothing of Ausi politics, but what do you guys think of Clive Palmer? Going off this video, he appears to be one of the...
I know nothing of Ausi politics, but what do you guys think of Clive Palmer?

Going off this video, he appears to be one of the only politicians worldwide that has some balls to speak up and fight back, interesting that Gladys Berejiklian steps down over previous corruption from years ago,, same time Clive is accusing her of taking money from Pfizer (10 min in) to push the vaccine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50zdyhE_ggU
Clive is as shady as it comes. Him accusing Glad Bags of corruption is a bit rich. You won't have to dig too far to see his business failings and his shady dealings with China. Google his nickel mine exploits. He is one person I certainly wouldn't take advice from.

One of our former NSW Premiers resigned over an undeclared bottle of wine gifted to him. I have a hard time believing that was the only thing.

My two cents. Yep, it sucks at the moment with limitations in place. Can't visit my parents or my wife can't visit her mum and they are vulnerable as they are in their 70s and 80's. I am self-employed and getting people to work is nearly impossible because the government is handing out more than what they are worth. When the handouts stop I will take great pleasure in telling some of my previous staff that their position is no longer available.

I am double vaxxed, just don't like the government telling me that medical choice is not mine. I think this will settle down though as there is a lot of push back over the vaccine mandate. I think this discussion will continue and will be less polarising once businesses and governments realise that there are not enough people to fill jobs.

The rubbish that you see on the American media is about as far from reality as it gets. There are certainly some here who feel that they have lost everything and no longer have anything left to lose so go and protest. I support them wholeheartedly. Unfortunately, most of the protests get hijacked by professional agitators and the true meaning of the protest is lost.

Australia is still a great place to live. My brother and his family have spent the past 12 months caravaning around OZ, yesterday he was at Cape York. Just have to pick your battles.

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10/28/2021 1:33pm
This is the reality. An intelligent voice or two. Just watch the first minute for a reality check re lockdowns.

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11/2/2021 10:32pm
Not too bad a comparison . . .


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