Pourcels Gate Jump clip

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7/1/2009 2:49pm
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Gang, this whole thing was something of a mystery for everyone. Like LarryB sais, sometimes the gates bounce if the dirt behind it is below the...
Gang, this whole thing was something of a mystery for everyone. Like LarryB sais, sometimes the gates bounce if the dirt behind it is below the metal. Pourcel started in that same spot and got the holeshot in the first moto, then had this happen. Barcia too, right next to him, only Justin almost got the holeshot anyway....

Maybe there was too much dirt cleared away in the area between their two gates and that's what caused the first bounce. Chris hitting it with his front wheel caused the gate to flex and then bounce up again even further, this time hanging him up completely.

The race was not red-flagged by the AMA because the gate functioned properly when it dropped; the fact that it bounced was not a malfunction of the gate but maybe a problem with the preparation work, either by one of the mechanics or the person working the starting gate area between motos. Either way, it would not have been fair for everyone else to red-flag it to find that was the reason....

Pourcel then rode his ass off and made a bunch of fans out of all the folks in Colorado. That second moto was just amazing.

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wonder what whould have happened, and what whould you be saying, if that was dungey and not pourcel to be delayed by the gate and have to start from dead last...????
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7/1/2009 2:52pm
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Gang, this whole thing was something of a mystery for everyone. Like LarryB sais, sometimes the gates bounce if the dirt behind it is below the...
Gang, this whole thing was something of a mystery for everyone. Like LarryB sais, sometimes the gates bounce if the dirt behind it is below the metal. Pourcel started in that same spot and got the holeshot in the first moto, then had this happen. Barcia too, right next to him, only Justin almost got the holeshot anyway....

Maybe there was too much dirt cleared away in the area between their two gates and that's what caused the first bounce. Chris hitting it with his front wheel caused the gate to flex and then bounce up again even further, this time hanging him up completely.

The race was not red-flagged by the AMA because the gate functioned properly when it dropped; the fact that it bounced was not a malfunction of the gate but maybe a problem with the preparation work, either by one of the mechanics or the person working the starting gate area between motos. Either way, it would not have been fair for everyone else to red-flag it to find that was the reason....

Pourcel then rode his ass off and made a bunch of fans out of all the folks in Colorado. That second moto was just amazing.

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rileymx wrote:
wonder what whould have happened, and what whould you be saying, if that was dungey and not pourcel to be delayed by the gate and have...
wonder what whould have happened, and what whould you be saying, if that was dungey and not pourcel to be delayed by the gate and have to start from dead last...????
He'd be saying the same thing I'd guess since he doesn't make the call and I would hope they would make the same (correct) call.

7/1/2009 2:54pm
It looked to me like he jumped a millisecond early and his tire pushed the gate down. The extra force on the gate from being pushed...
It looked to me like he jumped a millisecond early and his tire pushed the gate down. The extra force on the gate from being pushed down caused it to bounce back a little.

To me, it looked like a self inflicted problem by CP.
Well, not exactly.
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7/1/2009 3:05pm
Just from the clip it looks like a gate malfunction... If it hits (anything) and bounces back up, how is that not the gates fault? Since no one is allowed in front of the gate, how can it be blamed on anyone?

A gate not falling properly, a rider shouldn't be punished for that. And of course, if live TV was an issue and the schedule was tight, how much time would it have costs to bring the 250's back and line them up again? Seems funny to me.

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7/1/2009 3:54pm Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 12:42am
I am not a mechanical engineer, but I have a hypothesis of what could have caused the two gates to bounce. First, there is one long bar that turns for all 40 gates, so that can't be the reason. And no one else complained of a similar problem that I know of (though the pin popped out of Max Anstie's gate on the other side when he blasted across it for the parade lap, and I just happened to be there to help fix that). And the problem would not be in front of the gate but behind it, where people walk, mechanics work, riders stand, etc.


So what if the dirt behind the gate was lower than the metal structure that holds the gate itself? The gate would slam metal on metal and bounce a little due to the energy and weight of the falling gate, which is longer than the width and overlaps the case structure that holds the whole deal. The gates usually fall into dirt -- look for the imprint in the ground next time a gate goes up in front of you -- but if too much was cleared away behind it, either by a course worker or tractor or mechanic or the guy who lined up there in the previous moto, the gate could bounce when it clanks down and hits metal rather than dirt....


I can't come up with any other reason why two gates together would bounce, except that too much dirt was cleared away behind it, and could have caused it to recoil the way it did. I imagine if you dropped an aluminum baseball bat on another aluminum bat it would bounce too.


In the end, the gate fell properly; it was whatever it hit to bounce back up was the problem -- not live TV, and not because Christophe is French (remember, my all-time favorite rider is J.M.B.) or any other off-the-wall conspiracy theories here. Trust me, we would be having this same conversation (and mystery) if it was Barcia who got hung up going over the gate and not Christophe.


Sorry, that's all I got. Off to Red Bud.

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7/1/2009 4:01pm Edited Date/Time 7/1/2009 4:06pm
It looked to me like he jumped a millisecond early and his tire pushed the gate down. The extra force on the gate from being pushed...
It looked to me like he jumped a millisecond early and his tire pushed the gate down. The extra force on the gate from being pushed down caused it to bounce back a little.

To me, it looked like a self inflicted problem by CP.
Well, not exactly.
So enlighten us then. You act like you have the answer but only give a smart ass response.


OH, I see your from France. No wonder.
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7/1/2009 4:11pm
It looked to me like he jumped a millisecond early and his tire pushed the gate down. The extra force on the gate from being pushed...
It looked to me like he jumped a millisecond early and his tire pushed the gate down. The extra force on the gate from being pushed down caused it to bounce back a little.

To me, it looked like a self inflicted problem by CP.
Well, not exactly.
So enlighten us then. You act like you have the answer but only give a smart ass response.


OH, I see your from France. No wonder.
Watching the shitty little clip it looks to me like his front wheel clipped the top of the gate and slammed it down. Combine that with a metal on metal situation like DC mentioned, and you get a big bounce. JMO.
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7/1/2009 4:21pm
Ok, so the gate bounced... I mean, it must happen all the time right? Such a simple explanation. Such a simple concept as to why it bounced the way it did. It must happen ALL the time. I mean, I have raced probably a couple hundred races and that has never happened to me... but, I am sure it has happened to at least ONE other person on here... Maybe during one other national or one other supercross... There should be at least one other story...

So, all you guys on here that have raced or currently do, all you guys that don't race but watch the races, how many other times have you seen this happen?
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7/1/2009 4:21pm Edited Date/Time 7/1/2009 4:23pm
---Watching the shitty little clip it looks to me like his front wheel clipped the top of the gate and slammed it down. Combine that with a metal on metal situation like DC mentioned, and you get a big bounce. JMO.---


I got that too but only when the clip doesnt quite play from the start. When you see it complete it falls, then bounces up onto the wheel, back down onto the metal and then back up onto the sump. It seems pretty clear that there wasnt any dirt on the metal. Im not sure if thats the riders responsibility or not.
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7/1/2009 4:26pm Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 12:42am
Alex wrote:
---Watching the shitty little clip it looks to me like his front wheel clipped the top of the gate and slammed it down. Combine that with...
---Watching the shitty little clip it looks to me like his front wheel clipped the top of the gate and slammed it down. Combine that with a metal on metal situation like DC mentioned, and you get a big bounce. JMO.---


I got that too but only when the clip doesnt quite play from the start. When you see it complete it falls, then bounces up onto the wheel, back down onto the metal and then back up onto the sump. It seems pretty clear that there wasnt any dirt on the metal. Im not sure if thats the riders responsibility or not.
Just saw that. It did bounce before he hit it. Had to manualy rewind the video to see that.


Apologies to Frenchy, THE mx addict.
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7/1/2009 4:35pm
I've emailed DC a few times about Glen Helen and the Monster sign that couldn't be moved, Still no response. I should just let it go, but for some reason I can't. The biggest jump at the track had to be made smaller so we could see the Monster sign? Glen Helen says it wasn't their call, track builder says he wanted to take the sign down but were over ruled That leaves DC and his guys, who like I've said, decided not to answer my emails.

It would be like putting a Monster sign on Larocco's Leap, so that nobody could clear it.

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7/1/2009 6:39pm
Trip, my email address is DC@mxsports.com. I have never gotten an email from you. Please try DC@racerxonline.com, that one seems to work too.

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7/1/2009 8:54pm
The gate bounced, no doubt about it, dirt pad just must of been too low.. I heard a few gates were like that (still in the air, not touching the dirt, while the gate was in the dropped position). But I don't think it helps that Chris' boot snatches the gate as he goes over it, and this probably causes the endo...how he rode it out is beyond me..then to pass 20 something guys in 1 lap is pretty badass. You could try to reenact the whole situation a thousand times and my bet is you couldn't duplicate it.

I just think its important that the gate is down when the riders/mechanics roll up to choose their gates... Then when they leave for the parade lap, it goes up and stays up till it drops for the start of the moto. This way the gate can be prepped and you can groom and so fourth with the gate down to see how she will end up after she falls. I'm not positive but I believe there's been things in the rule book to that effect..In years past I'd almost say 100% its been in there; that the staging-choosing-parade lap-start process should take place like that.

I know at Loretta's this is the process they follow very diligently but I think there's been some inconsistency in the process at the Pro Nationals; and I'm sure DC will be on top of it in the future.
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7/1/2009 10:08pm Edited Date/Time 7/1/2009 10:23pm
Having watched the replay a couple times, plus watching a couple extra gate drops after the original one, I do think there was something odd about the two end gates...maybe a rock stuck in them, or something like that. I don't think it was a mechanical issue, or the pad behind it. It seemed to fall *most* of the way, and spring back up, not hit and bounce back up...but that's just my point of view.

What I am most impressed with, though, is that Pourcel was sort of expecting a red flag, but still managed to pass 22 guys on the first lap. That's the kind of drive that'll win you titles.
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I notice in the podium pics CP was already in jeans and tennis shoes. Wonder if that gate drop caused him to drop something...in his pants...
I notice in the podium pics CP was already in jeans and tennis shoes. Wonder if that gate drop caused him to drop something...in his pants.

He wouldn't be the 1st rider to finish a moto carrying an extra "load". Cool
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i hate that.
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7/2/2009 1:32am
Too bad i'm too lazy to translate CP's interview on motoverte.com for you english-speaking people... Funny stuff for sure.

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