Any one have experience with MX Tech Lucky vs Lucky Carbon?

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KennyMc wrote:
Are the spring rate "suggestions" the same for the Lucky's as they are for the Xplor? In other words, is Race Techs spring chart the same...
Are the spring rate "suggestions" the same for the Lucky's as they are for the Xplor? In other words, is Race Techs spring chart the same for these forks?

Spring rate suggestion for a 280lb rider in full gear, Lucky Carbons?
I'd call MX Tech and ask. They were very helpful and advised me to go from a .50 to .54. Amazing difference and I'm 225 no gear..
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Wow you guys are running much stiffer springs than the .44 and .46 i have. Maybe I should swap the .44 for a .46. I’m 180...
Wow you guys are running much stiffer springs than the .44 and .46 i have. Maybe I should swap the .44 for a .46. I’m 180 no gear.
130mm oil height. 5mm preload.
No bottoming issues.
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Are you riding moto? My brother has .48 springs in his carbons (170 w/o gear c class). They are ultra plush
Mostly woods. Maybe I need to try a different spring.
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CKNY wrote:
Wow you guys are running much stiffer springs than the .44 and .46 i have. Maybe I should swap the .44 for a .46. I’m 180...
Wow you guys are running much stiffer springs than the .44 and .46 i have. Maybe I should swap the .44 for a .46. I’m 180 no gear.
130mm oil height. 5mm preload.
No bottoming issues.
soggy wrote:
Are you riding moto? My brother has .48 springs in his carbons (170 w/o gear c class). They are ultra plush
CKNY wrote:
Mostly woods. Maybe I need to try a different spring.
On recommendation from Mxman I just called MX Tech. They agreed, pear is a shape so I am in shape :-) I gave them my pertinent information and they suggested a range from .54 to .56. I believe Corey had ordered my forks with a .48. I a .52 and a .54 for the Xplor's and I believe they will fit with the Carbons.

They said they got a partial delivery of the Lucky Gen1's but still not enough to fill all the orders.....
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Pirate421 5/10/2021 3:31pm
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So is a higher numerical oil height less oil or more oil in the fork? Like 130mm vs 100mm I’m guessing the measurement is from the top of the tube until it reaches the oil? Every time I’ve serviced forks I’ve had a set volume that was recommended and never measured by height.
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Pirate421 wrote:
So is a higher numerical oil height less oil or more oil in the fork? Like 130mm vs 100mm I’m guessing the measurement is from the...
So is a higher numerical oil height less oil or more oil in the fork? Like 130mm vs 100mm I’m guessing the measurement is from the top of the tube until it reaches the oil? Every time I’ve serviced forks I’ve had a set volume that was recommended and never measured by height.
If it's from the top of the tube until it reaches the oil, that would be the air gap measurement. In that case, the bigger the number the less the oil. I've only dealt with that measurement in my Xplor forks.
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yeahkkyle 5/11/2021 8:57am
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I just spoke with Corey today about the Gen 1’s. Still has like 12 people on order for the Gen 1’s. He 100% recommended the Gen 1’s for my riding over the extra money for Gen 2’s and not seeing the benefits for woods/hare scramble. After waiting for 2+ months with no definite time frame, I switched to Gen 2’s just to get the suspension back.
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KennyMc 5/12/2021 1:21pm
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yeahkkyle wrote:
I just spoke with Corey today about the Gen 1’s. Still has like 12 people on order for the Gen 1’s. He 100% recommended the Gen...
I just spoke with Corey today about the Gen 1’s. Still has like 12 people on order for the Gen 1’s. He 100% recommended the Gen 1’s for my riding over the extra money for Gen 2’s and not seeing the benefits for woods/hare scramble. After waiting for 2+ months with no definite time frame, I switched to Gen 2’s just to get the suspension back.
Yea, I went with the Carbons for the same reason. Hopefully get them by the end of next week.
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I just spoke with Corey today about the Gen 1’s. Still has like 12 people on order for the Gen 1’s. He 100% recommended the Gen...
I just spoke with Corey today about the Gen 1’s. Still has like 12 people on order for the Gen 1’s. He 100% recommended the Gen 1’s for my riding over the extra money for Gen 2’s and not seeing the benefits for woods/hare scramble. After waiting for 2+ months with no definite time frame, I switched to Gen 2’s just to get the suspension back.
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Yea, I went with the Carbons for the same reason. Hopefully get them by the end of next week.
Hoping to get mine also next week or the following. Let me know how you like them.
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Little update today. Went with 25cc more oil in each fork leg to help with the last bit of travel. Rode a fun Mx track today had some good size jumps with a few of them landing to flat and landing front end first. After three motos my fork travel ring was about 2” from the fork lug so I was using most of the travel without bottoming. The forks felt fantastic all day so plush and would soak up everything. I’m super happy with this suspension.
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Pirate421 wrote:
Little update today. Went with 25cc more oil in each fork leg to help with the last bit of travel. Rode a fun Mx track today...
Little update today. Went with 25cc more oil in each fork leg to help with the last bit of travel. Rode a fun Mx track today had some good size jumps with a few of them landing to flat and landing front end first. After three motos my fork travel ring was about 2” from the fork lug so I was using most of the travel without bottoming. The forks felt fantastic all day so plush and would soak up everything. I’m super happy with this suspension.
You could get even better performance using more of your travel. Leaving two inches on the table is two much IMO
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Pirate421 5/15/2021 7:29pm
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soggy wrote:
You could get even better performance using more of your travel. Leaving two inches on the table is two much IMO
Would backing out the compression adjuster get me there? Honestly they felt awesome all day and I guess I like having that little safety net there after having them bottom before. Could be an inch and a half I didn’t measure but it’s pretty close to using all of it. Much better than I could get comfortably with the aer setup.
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soggy wrote:
You could get even better performance using more of your travel. Leaving two inches on the table is two much IMO
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Would backing out the compression adjuster get me there? Honestly they felt awesome all day and I guess I like having that little safety net there...
Would backing out the compression adjuster get me there? Honestly they felt awesome all day and I guess I like having that little safety net there after having them bottom before. Could be an inch and a half I didn’t measure but it’s pretty close to using all of it. Much better than I could get comfortably with the aer setup.
Yeah, try 2 clicks softer on comp. 1 might be enough depending on your weight. I am using every bit of travel on mine - I hammered on them today at Mountain View, and as the day went on, lots of square edges and holes showed up as it got blue grooved (typical for this track). I also overjumped one table twice in a big way, and it just took it. I think I bottomed them but they are so smooth even at the end of travel I'm not sure. Last time I had forks like these was a well-tuned setup on my 2012 RMZ.

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soggy 5/15/2021 7:47pm
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That’s what I would try. You should use most of it on your average lap all but a half inch or so. And bottoming fine you just want to avoid the heavy bottoming out constantly. If you are backing off on compression you may need to go in on rebound as well to get some comfort back. But try backing off compression first, go two clicks at a time, until you are using more of the travel. Then go in on the rebound 1 click at a time if needed to get some comfort back.
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soggy wrote:
That’s what I would try. You should use most of it on your average lap all but a half inch or so. And bottoming fine you...
That’s what I would try. You should use most of it on your average lap all but a half inch or so. And bottoming fine you just want to avoid the heavy bottoming out constantly. If you are backing off on compression you may need to go in on rebound as well to get some comfort back. But try backing off compression first, go two clicks at a time, until you are using more of the travel. Then go in on the rebound 1 click at a time if needed to get some comfort back.
I’ll try that next time out thanks
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soggy wrote:
That’s what I would try. You should use most of it on your average lap all but a half inch or so. And bottoming fine you...
That’s what I would try. You should use most of it on your average lap all but a half inch or so. And bottoming fine you just want to avoid the heavy bottoming out constantly. If you are backing off on compression you may need to go in on rebound as well to get some comfort back. But try backing off compression first, go two clicks at a time, until you are using more of the travel. Then go in on the rebound 1 click at a time if needed to get some comfort back.
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I’ll try that next time out thanks
I find the comp very sensitive on these. 2 clicks makes a really big difference to me. I never move more than 2 either way from my base setting.
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soggy wrote:
That’s what I would try. You should use most of it on your average lap all but a half inch or so. And bottoming fine you...
That’s what I would try. You should use most of it on your average lap all but a half inch or so. And bottoming fine you just want to avoid the heavy bottoming out constantly. If you are backing off on compression you may need to go in on rebound as well to get some comfort back. But try backing off compression first, go two clicks at a time, until you are using more of the travel. Then go in on the rebound 1 click at a time if needed to get some comfort back.
Pirate421 wrote:
I’ll try that next time out thanks
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I find the comp very sensitive on these. 2 clicks makes a really big difference to me. I never move more than 2 either way from...
I find the comp very sensitive on these. 2 clicks makes a really big difference to me. I never move more than 2 either way from my base setting.
I completely agree. One click out on compression. Most stock forks and even kyb kit forks I go the old 2 for 1. 2 clicks compression to 1 click rebound. Showa kit, cone valve, ohlins, and luckys I go 1 for or 1.
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Pirate421 wrote:
I’ll try that next time out thanks
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I find the comp very sensitive on these. 2 clicks makes a really big difference to me. I never move more than 2 either way from...
I find the comp very sensitive on these. 2 clicks makes a really big difference to me. I never move more than 2 either way from my base setting.
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I completely agree. One click out on compression. Most stock forks and even kyb kit forks I go the old 2 for 1. 2 clicks compression...
I completely agree. One click out on compression. Most stock forks and even kyb kit forks I go the old 2 for 1. 2 clicks compression to 1 click rebound. Showa kit, cone valve, ohlins, and luckys I go 1 for or 1.
I also agree.

I found going out too much on comp had me riding low in the stroke.

If it's just that last two inches and everything else is good, I would play with oil height again remove 10-15cc's and retest.

Seems like almost all of us were under sprung from the start, fantastic fork though.
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I must be the minority here, I don’t find the clickers make as much of a difference as many others. Still waiting for a new shim stack to install. Might play with rebound a little more.

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vdrsnk04 5/16/2021 7:50am
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So are all you guys having to mess with these forks this much after receiving them back from MX-Tech?
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So are all you guys having to mess with these forks this much after receiving them back from MX-Tech?
No. I went up one spring rate forks and shock cause I got fat. Other than that all I've done is adjust comp & rebound. I'm due for an oil change on the forks soon at almost 30 hours on them.

Besides, I can spend HOURS in the garage "messing" with my bikes. That's half the fun!

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vdrsnk04 wrote:
So are all you guys having to mess with these forks this much after receiving them back from MX-Tech?
Most of these guys with soft springs were going through pro tune I think.
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Oh ok gotcha, thanks!!
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Just got my gen2’s back(switched from gen1 due to back order still) from Corey at ProTune. Won’t get to ride until the weekend.
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yeahkkyle wrote:
Just got my gen2’s back(switched from gen1 due to back order still) from Corey at ProTune. Won’t get to ride until the weekend. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/06/08/496873/s1200_9A6252AB_391D_4506_A328_9602ED12798D.jpg[/img]
Just got my gen2’s back(switched from gen1 due to back order still) from Corey at ProTune. Won’t get to ride until the weekend.
Fleetwood? Spent a lot of time there. My uncle was Ray Buss, soccer coach for the Tigers back in the day. There's moto there now?

I grew up near Hershey and there wasn't anything then.

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yeahkkyle wrote:
Just got my gen2’s back(switched from gen1 due to back order still) from Corey at ProTune. Won’t get to ride until the weekend. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/06/08/496873/s1200_9A6252AB_391D_4506_A328_9602ED12798D.jpg[/img]
Just got my gen2’s back(switched from gen1 due to back order still) from Corey at ProTune. Won’t get to ride until the weekend.
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Fleetwood? Spent a lot of time there. My uncle was Ray Buss, soccer coach for the Tigers back in the day. There's moto there now? I...
Fleetwood? Spent a lot of time there. My uncle was Ray Buss, soccer coach for the Tigers back in the day. There's moto there now?

I grew up near Hershey and there wasn't anything then.

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I live outside of Fleetwood currently. From Shamokin area. Plenty of area to ride up there. I use to race mx at pagoda in Reading, probably closest track but not much for tracks anymore. Just ride the mts around trevorton/shamokin anymore
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I have been running the Lucky Carbons on my 19 350 sxf since august 2020. When I first got them I was pretty dissapointed as they were just way too soft for me, the bottoming was not too big an issue as the huck valves are incredible, but the headshake when coming hard into braking bumps was not fun, so this winter I sent them back and had them revalve them stiffer, along with a revalve of the rear shock. I now have 20+ hrs on them and they are better, but still seem to be having brake diving issues. I have exchanged emails with guys at mxtech a few times and they seem to think it shouldnt be an issue, so I continued to ride it and mess with it. Right now I am sitting at only 4 clicks out on compression and it doesnt seem to be helping too much. For reference I am 170lbs without gear and they have me on a .48 fork spring, and running the stock .42 shock spring. I have been running extra sag (106-108) on the rear to compensate, but that brings about its own issues. Anyways, have any faster guys had these same issues on this fork?

I am strictly motocross A rider. Its pretty obvious just jumping up and down on the bike with the front brake on. The forks move much further and easier than the rear. These forks feel like they could be really good if the bike was more balanced, and brake dive makes it really hard to push in corners.
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Imo you are undersprung in the rear and possibly the front as well. If not then def valving changes up front
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Imo you are undersprung in the rear and possibly the front as well. If not then def valving changes up front
Yeah I agree you are too soft up front. I ran the .50 at 185 and went to the .52 recently and like it a lot more. I'm an old slow Vet so YMMV. I'd think a .50 would work good for you. I'd even consider a .52 but if they stiffened the valving up that might be more a SX setup than outdoors. I guess it depends on what tracks you ride. A .52 might make a good sand setup with the extra holdup. Springs aren't so expensive that you can't have a couple sets to swap out. 15 minute job to change them

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soggy wrote:
Imo you are undersprung in the rear and possibly the front as well. If not then def valving changes up front
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Yeah I agree you are too soft up front. I ran the .50 at 185 and went to the .52 recently and like it a lot...
Yeah I agree you are too soft up front. I ran the .50 at 185 and went to the .52 recently and like it a lot more. I'm an old slow Vet so YMMV. I'd think a .50 would work good for you. I'd even consider a .52 but if they stiffened the valving up that might be more a SX setup than outdoors. I guess it depends on what tracks you ride. A .52 might make a good sand setup with the extra holdup. Springs aren't so expensive that you can't have a couple sets to swap out. 15 minute job to change them

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I agree. I think I am going to go up to the .50 springs. Question: When swapping them out do I need to worry about preload or oil loss? Or will I be fine just pulling them out and dropping the new ones in?
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I agree. I think I am going to go up to the .50 springs. Question: When swapping them out do I need to worry about preload...
I agree. I think I am going to go up to the .50 springs. Question: When swapping them out do I need to worry about preload or oil loss? Or will I be fine just pulling them out and dropping the new ones in?
It's a simple drop in. You don't even need the special cap socket - a pin wrench will work. I'd put maybe 5ml of 5 weight back in and go rip.

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