Question for Pros? Hamblin & others

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6/18/2009 10:38am
In the end, the cream will always rise to the top. I remember Paul Carpenter showing up on ratted out bikes that I'd be scared to ride down the chute on.
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6/18/2009 10:38am
You really should be able to share the wealth. stinking capitalist.
6/18/2009 10:44am
stickers are key.
suspension is a close second.

Reminds me of a local water ski / kneeboard even I went to back in college. This was before wakeboards where around (they looked like surf boards in late 80's). A guy shows up in a clapped out VW bug with his kneeboard and gear strapped to a homemade luggage rack on top of the car. It was full on Jed Clampett piece of shit car. His shorts where faded and wore out, his life jacket was a step above the standard orange walmart style. I'm a little embarrassed to admit I shook my head at this clown when he pulled up next to us. So, his run comes up.....well..he was totally bad ass and won the kneeboarding freestyle competition! Watching him do his run was amazing. He was flipping left and right. This kid had skills.
The look on my face, and the other "rich" kids with top of the line everything, PRICELESS!
Good for him. I felt like an ass for judging.
6/18/2009 10:48am
What do you guys that have ridden the good equipment feel are the best mods for a bike? I was at the track recently and a...
What do you guys that have ridden the good equipment feel are the best mods for a bike?

I was at the track recently and a guy pulls up in a Concept Hauler with a 24ft trailer on the back and wheels out at least four bikes for his two kids. The bikes were totally BLINGED out! neither of these two kids could win out of the beginner class. I watched them ride and couldn't believe the waste of good equipment, before anybody lights me up I realize that everyone has to start somewhere. I am not taking anything away from kids trying to learn the sport. My issue is all the pros that can't get support, and guys that retire before their careers are over simply because they can't get a ride.

I have always been of the opinion that if you cannot ride the bike to it's full stock potential you don't need bling!

How do real pros feel about this?
I understand your view, and i don't necessarily disagree. To me it seems an injustice to see talented guys retiring early or just not riding because they can't get help. I agree that it is not a Dad's responsibility to help privateers or fast pro's. It just seems like if i were in that position I might hire the pro to work with my kid and pay him to help him out or something.

I am not involved in a class war! I am the father of a kid that thinks cool graphics and HOTT gear are what MX is all about. He is more concerned with looks and style than skill or ability. I am trying to work on that!

I do have to say it thrills me to see a privateer on a clapped out bike smoke the rich kids though! If that makes me a hater than so be it!

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6/18/2009 11:13am
Fancy decals can go a long way in making a bike look trick when it's nothing more than stock. That's being overlooked here i think.
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i remember reading about guy cooper and his wife sleeping in their car on their way to the races and at the track. he won a national moto as a privateer on a stock cr125.

he found a way.
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What's your real fucking point dude? Maybe you think the guy that worked his ass off making the money to be able to buy his kids...
What's your real fucking point dude?

Maybe you think the guy that worked his ass off making the money to be able to buy his kids all the bling should "share" his wealth with the "struggling" privateer? That Dad has no fucking responsibility to these pro riders. If the industry isn't doing well enough to put dollars out for the lower tier privateers, then that's the way it is. In fact, by blinging out his kids bikes/buying more bikes, he's doing more to stimulate the industry that most of the rest of us.

The Dr's in the house......................
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Did any "Pros" actually post a reply?


P
6/18/2009 12:54pm
Yeah 918 is a pro. and he is fast i have seen him do some small arenacross stuff.

My big issue here is my boy is all about looking and acting the part more than actually riding the part. I think that those that earn the skills should be rewarded.

I also see the flip side that people who buy all the BLING are supporting the industry which in turn pays the the top pros so it is cyclical.

It just kills me when I see a guy pitting out of a $500,000 motorhome getting smoked by a guy with duct tape on his fender and no graphics!
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Yeah 918 is a pro. and he is fast i have seen him do some small arenacross stuff. My big issue here is my boy is...
Yeah 918 is a pro. and he is fast i have seen him do some small arenacross stuff.

My big issue here is my boy is all about looking and acting the part more than actually riding the part. I think that those that earn the skills should be rewarded.

I also see the flip side that people who buy all the BLING are supporting the industry which in turn pays the the top pros so it is cyclical.

It just kills me when I see a guy pitting out of a $500,000 motorhome getting smoked by a guy with duct tape on his fender and no graphics!
Cool, thanks.


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6/18/2009 1:27pm Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 12:29am
Wow.


There is no easy fix bolt on. Nothing replaces riding ability and that means getting serious about practice and physical conditioning. Get a real program going. Get him some riding lessons from a local pro that teaches. Get him to help you set up a program and then do the work, put in the time.


Suspension, tires and exhaust systems only help you beat the guy right in front of you.
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Yeah 918 is a pro. and he is fast i have seen him do some small arenacross stuff. My big issue here is my boy is...
Yeah 918 is a pro. and he is fast i have seen him do some small arenacross stuff.

My big issue here is my boy is all about looking and acting the part more than actually riding the part. I think that those that earn the skills should be rewarded.

I also see the flip side that people who buy all the BLING are supporting the industry which in turn pays the the top pros so it is cyclical.

It just kills me when I see a guy pitting out of a $500,000 motorhome getting smoked by a guy with duct tape on his fender and no graphics!
What the fuck do you care? Maybe the Privateers should learn the life lesson, if you can"t live like you feel you should then move on to a career that allows you to. If a guys works hard for his 500k motorhome and is slow on a bike, who are you to question them. Or the fast guy with duct tape. The difference between the fast guy and the slow guy with the motorhome is that the slow guy found a niche that allows him to afford the finer things. While the fast guy has not figured out that he only has about 0.0001% of a chance at making some big bucks.
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6/18/2009 3:35pm Edited Date/Time 6/18/2009 3:36pm
The bling making companies give their items to the pros for free and make the money with fans. In your perfect world they would go bankrupt

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My feelings are if you have the money and feel that buying the cool bling stuff makes you happy then so be it. Now if you are into it for the intentions of becoming faster, safer and possibly having your kid make a living at it then thats a different story, just as any other sport the fundamentals are key and help all the way through the stepping stones. Obvious things are making it more tailored to what you like and feel safe with, but necessity wise I think is good Helmet (10 Dollar head, 10 dollar helmet), good boots and if it permits then get a neck brace but of course that is personal opinion for what you want. Then after all of that go and spend a little at a time on things like suspension then maybe a pipe, but everything at once I feel throws you too quick of a curve ball and you really havent understood the way the bike works as a whole stock. Hope that helps with some of the questions you guys had.

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Yeah 918 is a pro. and he is fast i have seen him do some small arenacross stuff. My big issue here is my boy is...
Yeah 918 is a pro. and he is fast i have seen him do some small arenacross stuff.

My big issue here is my boy is all about looking and acting the part more than actually riding the part. I think that those that earn the skills should be rewarded.

I also see the flip side that people who buy all the BLING are supporting the industry which in turn pays the the top pros so it is cyclical.

It just kills me when I see a guy pitting out of a $500,000 motorhome getting smoked by a guy with duct tape on his fender and no graphics!
What the fuck do you care? Maybe the Privateers should learn the life lesson, if you can"t live like you feel you should then move on...
What the fuck do you care? Maybe the Privateers should learn the life lesson, if you can"t live like you feel you should then move on to a career that allows you to. If a guys works hard for his 500k motorhome and is slow on a bike, who are you to question them. Or the fast guy with duct tape. The difference between the fast guy and the slow guy with the motorhome is that the slow guy found a niche that allows him to afford the finer things. While the fast guy has not figured out that he only has about 0.0001% of a chance at making some big bucks.
Learn the life lesson? I made sure that I had a back up plan (well my parents made sure, but I'm glad they pushed me back then to do well in school).

Really? all those young riders earned those half million dollar rigs? maybe it was their parents money.
I think what some people hate, myself included, are the unappreciative kids that have the huge rigs, when someone else is busting their butt and working hard.

If some of the kids that don't do a thing but race start having to work on their bikes, they will probably fold, but oh well. Its just the love for the sport that keeps people coming back for more.
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SH_105 wrote:
My feelings are if you have the money and feel that buying the cool bling stuff makes you happy then so be it. Now if you...
My feelings are if you have the money and feel that buying the cool bling stuff makes you happy then so be it. Now if you are into it for the intentions of becoming faster, safer and possibly having your kid make a living at it then thats a different story, just as any other sport the fundamentals are key and help all the way through the stepping stones. Obvious things are making it more tailored to what you like and feel safe with, but necessity wise I think is good Helmet (10 Dollar head, 10 dollar helmet), good boots and if it permits then get a neck brace but of course that is personal opinion for what you want. Then after all of that go and spend a little at a time on things like suspension then maybe a pipe, but everything at once I feel throws you too quick of a curve ball and you really havent understood the way the bike works as a whole stock. Hope that helps with some of the questions you guys had.

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Dammit, Sean. Now you went and made P happy. Next you'll be taking pictures with motoclown.
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Yeah 918 is a pro. and he is fast i have seen him do some small arenacross stuff. My big issue here is my boy is...
Yeah 918 is a pro. and he is fast i have seen him do some small arenacross stuff.

My big issue here is my boy is all about looking and acting the part more than actually riding the part. I think that those that earn the skills should be rewarded.

I also see the flip side that people who buy all the BLING are supporting the industry which in turn pays the the top pros so it is cyclical.

It just kills me when I see a guy pitting out of a $500,000 motorhome getting smoked by a guy with duct tape on his fender and no graphics!
What the fuck do you care? Maybe the Privateers should learn the life lesson, if you can"t live like you feel you should then move on...
What the fuck do you care? Maybe the Privateers should learn the life lesson, if you can"t live like you feel you should then move on to a career that allows you to. If a guys works hard for his 500k motorhome and is slow on a bike, who are you to question them. Or the fast guy with duct tape. The difference between the fast guy and the slow guy with the motorhome is that the slow guy found a niche that allows him to afford the finer things. While the fast guy has not figured out that he only has about 0.0001% of a chance at making some big bucks.
mx918 wrote:
Learn the life lesson? I made sure that I had a back up plan (well my parents made sure, but I'm glad they pushed me back...
Learn the life lesson? I made sure that I had a back up plan (well my parents made sure, but I'm glad they pushed me back then to do well in school).

Really? all those young riders earned those half million dollar rigs? maybe it was their parents money.
I think what some people hate, myself included, are the unappreciative kids that have the huge rigs, when someone else is busting their butt and working hard.

If some of the kids that don't do a thing but race start having to work on their bikes, they will probably fold, but oh well. Its just the love for the sport that keeps people coming back for more.
The original qoute didn't say anything about and unappreciative kid. If "the guy pitting out of a 500k motorhome is getting smoked" who cares. The guy earned the money to pay for the motorhome. He is doing what he wants to do. Do you think that the fact that he is slow makes the racing any less fun for him than the fast guy?
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What the fuck do you care? Maybe the Privateers should learn the life lesson, if you can"t live like you feel you should then move on...
What the fuck do you care? Maybe the Privateers should learn the life lesson, if you can"t live like you feel you should then move on to a career that allows you to. If a guys works hard for his 500k motorhome and is slow on a bike, who are you to question them. Or the fast guy with duct tape. The difference between the fast guy and the slow guy with the motorhome is that the slow guy found a niche that allows him to afford the finer things. While the fast guy has not figured out that he only has about 0.0001% of a chance at making some big bucks.
mx918 wrote:
Learn the life lesson? I made sure that I had a back up plan (well my parents made sure, but I'm glad they pushed me back...
Learn the life lesson? I made sure that I had a back up plan (well my parents made sure, but I'm glad they pushed me back then to do well in school).

Really? all those young riders earned those half million dollar rigs? maybe it was their parents money.
I think what some people hate, myself included, are the unappreciative kids that have the huge rigs, when someone else is busting their butt and working hard.

If some of the kids that don't do a thing but race start having to work on their bikes, they will probably fold, but oh well. Its just the love for the sport that keeps people coming back for more.
The original qoute didn't say anything about and unappreciative kid. If "the guy pitting out of a 500k motorhome is getting smoked" who cares. The guy...
The original qoute didn't say anything about and unappreciative kid. If "the guy pitting out of a 500k motorhome is getting smoked" who cares. The guy earned the money to pay for the motorhome. He is doing what he wants to do. Do you think that the fact that he is slow makes the racing any less fun for him than the fast guy?
Man, my original intent was to point out that the dude getting smoked with the blinging bike is not typically the guy that worked hard to earn that money...and I just get annoyed when people don't appreciate what they are given sometimes when other who work so much harder would kill for the opportunity.
I'm sure there are some real appreciative guys out there, but I just know a couple locally that don't care...so I kinda went on a rant! My fault.
Carry on guys!
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6/18/2009 9:12pm Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 12:29am
I understand your view, and i don't necessarily disagree. To me it seems an injustice to see talented guys retiring early or just not riding because...
I understand your view, and i don't necessarily disagree. To me it seems an injustice to see talented guys retiring early or just not riding because they can't get help. I agree that it is not a Dad's responsibility to help privateers or fast pro's. It just seems like if i were in that position I might hire the pro to work with my kid and pay him to help him out or something.

I am not involved in a class war! I am the father of a kid that thinks cool graphics and HOTT gear are what MX is all about. He is more concerned with looks and style than skill or ability. I am trying to work on that!

I do have to say it thrills me to see a privateer on a clapped out bike smoke the rich kids though! If that makes me a hater than so be it!
"To me it seems an injustice to see talented guys retiring early or just not riding because they can't get help"

You've just made an observation of what the powers that be currently available in the sport will support. There's more talent to go around than dollars are available to support a living wage for all that talent.

The bottom line is that a "pro" rider (or a serious amateur) needs sponsors to pay the way for what they want to pursue. For young guys, that's probably mom and dad. If they can't, or won't, then it's every man (boy) for himself. Some people get left out. That's a shame for them, but it's not a decent reason to criticize the methods of the mom's and dad's that can and will fill the role. And, by buying all that stuff, they are pouring money into the cash registers of the same people that will write checks to sponsor those that aren't lucky enough to have M&D as a sponsor.

That's why it's important to recognize how important it is to grow the fan base of this sport. Even if it means flying in the face of some of the traditions of the sport.
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The original qoute didn't say anything about and unappreciative kid. If "the guy pitting out of a 500k motorhome is getting smoked" who cares. The guy...
The original qoute didn't say anything about and unappreciative kid. If "the guy pitting out of a 500k motorhome is getting smoked" who cares. The guy earned the money to pay for the motorhome. He is doing what he wants to do. Do you think that the fact that he is slow makes the racing any less fun for him than the fast guy?
It is my opinion that maybe the guy with the motorhome doesnt have enough time to practice. Have a job, get bling, go slower.

No job, no bling, go faster.

It's fun either way.
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6/18/2009 10:07pm
My big issue here is my boy is all about looking and acting the part more than actually riding the part. I think that those that earn the skills should be rewarded.

I think your big issue is that your son doesn't care about going fast, you do.
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roost251 wrote:
I think the point he is trying to make is what are the best mods. In ranking order I would have to say ( I'm no...
I think the point he is trying to make is what are the best mods. In ranking order I would have to say ( I'm no pro though)

1)supension
2)riding lessons
3) seat time
4)properly tuned bike
5)riding lessons
6)seat time
7)exhaust (four stroke)
8)riding lessons
9)seat time
10)engine mods
oh yeah and ride some more,
I love watching a local pro on a stock bike tear up the weekend warriors with 12 grand bikes, they look on thier face is priceless, like he shouldnt be that fast he doesnt have expensive part this and overpriced that. lol
I may not have worded the question exactly right but i think sometimes riders of limited abilities actually make their bikes harder to ride therefore actually...
I may not have worded the question exactly right but i think sometimes riders of limited abilities actually make their bikes harder to ride therefore actually hindering their development as riders.

I figured the answer would be suspension. I still wanted to hear it from a pro.

I recently found an old Ivan Tedesco article and in it he said that rather than by mods try standing up. According to the article standing up more will make you faster than any pipe or engine mods.
Just ride like old Bugsy Dick Mann did in his day; run out the tank practicing as long as it had gas, come in to refill it and go right back out and shred again 'till dry.

Riding and learning proper techique is the best thing that you could watch the best riders on DVD, using that as an example..get a Semics riding book or Bailey DVDs.

My Pro rider never had any mods until he made Pro. The cost of the equipment now and as it's so good anyways, why bother. Practice makes perfect, not a pipe, revalve, etc.
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I would rather see all stoke and see who the real Badasses were!
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SH_105 wrote:
My feelings are if you have the money and feel that buying the cool bling stuff makes you happy then so be it. Now if you...
My feelings are if you have the money and feel that buying the cool bling stuff makes you happy then so be it. Now if you are into it for the intentions of becoming faster, safer and possibly having your kid make a living at it then thats a different story, just as any other sport the fundamentals are key and help all the way through the stepping stones. Obvious things are making it more tailored to what you like and feel safe with, but necessity wise I think is good Helmet (10 Dollar head, 10 dollar helmet), good boots and if it permits then get a neck brace but of course that is personal opinion for what you want. Then after all of that go and spend a little at a time on things like suspension then maybe a pipe, but everything at once I feel throws you too quick of a curve ball and you really havent understood the way the bike works as a whole stock. Hope that helps with some of the questions you guys had.

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Sean, just curious as to your reasons for not wearing a neck brace?
6/19/2009 7:29am
SH_105 wrote:
My feelings are if you have the money and feel that buying the cool bling stuff makes you happy then so be it. Now if you...
My feelings are if you have the money and feel that buying the cool bling stuff makes you happy then so be it. Now if you are into it for the intentions of becoming faster, safer and possibly having your kid make a living at it then thats a different story, just as any other sport the fundamentals are key and help all the way through the stepping stones. Obvious things are making it more tailored to what you like and feel safe with, but necessity wise I think is good Helmet (10 Dollar head, 10 dollar helmet), good boots and if it permits then get a neck brace but of course that is personal opinion for what you want. Then after all of that go and spend a little at a time on things like suspension then maybe a pipe, but everything at once I feel throws you too quick of a curve ball and you really havent understood the way the bike works as a whole stock. Hope that helps with some of the questions you guys had.

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Sean Thank you for your input.

We are doing some MX schools for fundamentals. I think suspension does make a bike safer. We also bought a pipe and silencer combo to give the bike more bottom as he isn't real good with the clutch yet.
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Motorcross is one of the most economical forms of motorsports. There are a ton of really talented car drivers out there that never make it past local bomber class because they don'yt have the money /support. Thats life. In order to be good you have to have the money to invest in it to get the practice. Other wise you better be able to sell yourself from a marketing standpoint to get the support you need.

Some of the factory guys I have seen started out as early pros on bikes that would be classified as practice bikes at local races and you know what? They still spanked the competition and got some prize money to go tto the nex t race. They kept winning and improved their programs.

Why is it that everyone needs the latest and greatest? These "struggling" up and coming pros need to be smart with their money and treat it like a buisiness. Look at what you need and make sure it is not a want. People who want to help some one can look past an ugly bike if the person is winning races. None cares what you showed up in. That doesn't make the rider. Make sure your stuff is mechanically sound, that you put in the training time and let the rest take care of itself.
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6/19/2009 7:34am Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 12:29am
As for the original question, I tell parents when they ask the question about buying mod parts and suspension to spend the money on classes and practice to learn the basic skills and to get better as a rider first.

As a dealer, I have helped b & c riders more than some fast expert/pro riders. It all has to do with their effort, if they have shown appreciation for what we do, and how they support my dealership(as Dave already stated).

But, if the people have the money and they love the sport, buy it all.
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SH_105 wrote:
My feelings are if you have the money and feel that buying the cool bling stuff makes you happy then so be it. Now if you...
My feelings are if you have the money and feel that buying the cool bling stuff makes you happy then so be it. Now if you are into it for the intentions of becoming faster, safer and possibly having your kid make a living at it then thats a different story, just as any other sport the fundamentals are key and help all the way through the stepping stones. Obvious things are making it more tailored to what you like and feel safe with, but necessity wise I think is good Helmet (10 Dollar head, 10 dollar helmet), good boots and if it permits then get a neck brace but of course that is personal opinion for what you want. Then after all of that go and spend a little at a time on things like suspension then maybe a pipe, but everything at once I feel throws you too quick of a curve ball and you really havent understood the way the bike works as a whole stock. Hope that helps with some of the questions you guys had.

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SMITH201 wrote:
Sean, just curious as to your reasons for not wearing a neck brace?
Same as most of the other guys at the Pro level. We need more specific testing out of them to show us the pro's and con's just like anything else. Me personally, I just dont feel comfortable with it on, does that mean I will never wear one?? No but at the moment it just doesnt suit me for now. When Ramon broke his back/neck this year the tail on the Leatt I was told dug into where the break had happened. I look at it like seat belts in a way, I have had friends get in really bad car crashes without it and was lucky they werent wearing one but also you have the ones who are saved by it. The list can go on and on really.


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There’s not many people that run a stock bike to its potential (motor and suspension wise)

But when you make your RACE bike faster (whether your using the stock stuff to potential or not) it will make you faster somewhere on the track.

Ok so maybe you don’t charge into corners as hard as you could and could make up time there........I understand that

But if your drag racing up a hill on a 250f and you have similar riding abilities to your competition, and one is on a stock bike and one is on a mod bike the motor mods are an advantage.

I agree suspension should be first and I personally don’t mod my motors but some people think just because you cant ride a stock bike to its potential means you should not have mods and I say that’s bull shit.

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SH_105 wrote:
My feelings are if you have the money and feel that buying the cool bling stuff makes you happy then so be it. Now if you...
My feelings are if you have the money and feel that buying the cool bling stuff makes you happy then so be it. Now if you are into it for the intentions of becoming faster, safer and possibly having your kid make a living at it then thats a different story, just as any other sport the fundamentals are key and help all the way through the stepping stones. Obvious things are making it more tailored to what you like and feel safe with, but necessity wise I think is good Helmet (10 Dollar head, 10 dollar helmet), good boots and if it permits then get a neck brace but of course that is personal opinion for what you want. Then after all of that go and spend a little at a time on things like suspension then maybe a pipe, but everything at once I feel throws you too quick of a curve ball and you really havent understood the way the bike works as a whole stock. Hope that helps with some of the questions you guys had.

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SMITH201 wrote:
Sean, just curious as to your reasons for not wearing a neck brace?
SH_105 wrote:
Same as most of the other guys at the Pro level. We need more specific testing out of them to show us the pro's and con's...
Same as most of the other guys at the Pro level. We need more specific testing out of them to show us the pro's and con's just like anything else. Me personally, I just dont feel comfortable with it on, does that mean I will never wear one?? No but at the moment it just doesnt suit me for now. When Ramon broke his back/neck this year the tail on the Leatt I was told dug into where the break had happened. I look at it like seat belts in a way, I have had friends get in really bad car crashes without it and was lucky they werent wearing one but also you have the ones who are saved by it. The list can go on and on really.


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I feel just the same, there hasnt been enough testing. After a pair of years of lots of bad luck with pros geting severely injured a guy comes with a brace, says that will save us and we believe in him like he was a prophet. Well, I'm not a believer so I'll wait until I see the facts. Or at least sole of them....

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