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Edited Date/Time 6/1/2014 11:38pm
What was it really. Who built the bike. Suspension had name too. If posted before, sorry 'bout that....

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5/27/2009 3:43am
Brian Myerscough rode one. It was a 1974/75 maybe YZ80 with a YZ100 motor. Built by Ted Morewood. Shocks were Koni's ?
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Yep, Myerscoughs 1975 YZ80B supermini with the modded MX100 engine. It was called "Turtle " suspension on the rear. Why the hell did they call it that??
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newmann wrote:
Yep, Myerscoughs 1975 YZ80B supermini with the modded MX100 engine. It was called "Turtle " suspension on the rear. Why the hell did they call it...
Yep, Myerscoughs 1975 YZ80B supermini with the modded MX100 engine. It was called "Turtle " suspension on the rear. Why the hell did they call it that??
Maybe that was Morewood's nickname?
5/28/2009 10:26pm Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 12:08am
As a stock bike , the '74 & '75 YZ 80's were not that great due to the engines being based on the GT 80, ( 4 speed) which was only 72 cc's. In '76 when they went to the '79 cc engine, ( 5 speed) is when they started to really make their presence known.

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79 went to a six speed. 5 speed prior to that. I had a 78 model and yes it was slow!
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I had to chime in on this to correct some errors.

My first bike in 1973 was a GTI 80 Yamaha. I raced my GT 80 3 races in 74 then parents bought me YZ80A 1974(Grey Red strip Tank). Just a few months later, the YZ80B 1975 (yellow Blk tank) was being sold. It had so much more power than the YZ80A.

Since the YZ80 was introduced in 74, they all had 5 speed trans., and the motor was completely differnt from the GT80s and GTI80s. My last YZ was a 1977 YZ80D.

I don't know what yr they went to a 6spd tranny.

My 75 YZ80B, mid season, I did get that Turtle Suspension lay down kit for my bike, and purchased Boge shocks like Myerscough's bike. He has some trick springs on his shocks. The Turtle Kit was basically just a piece of metal that had to be welded to the subframe for the top shock mount to lay down. It was very cool!

I wish I had the front forks Myerscough had to compliment the rear suspension.


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My mistake on the 74-75 YZ80's being 4 speeds. But they were only 72cc engines,stock bore was 47.00 mm for both first year YZ80's. The GT and TY 80's also shared the same bore.

In '76 the YZ80 stock bore was 49.00mm, making it 79cc. The first two tears of YZ80 production, the motor was based on the 72cc design. The cases may have been different than the GT's, but bore and stroke were GT based.

Basically,the 74 and 75 YZ80 engines were hopped up GT80's from the factory.

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6/14/2009 5:41pm
Okay, I am not a bench racer, actually haven owned and ridden the bikes we are talking about. Lived, breathed, eaten(except for the lead)!

I don't profess to know everything and I enjoy feeding off or on intelligent people and their experiences and wisdom. "In order to be a Great Leader, you have to be a Great Follower!"

For me, you see what you get, I don't pretend to be something I am not. My talk is straight, period.

Bore, Stroke, 72mm, etc..., we can go on all day about the mechanics of the bikes, but Please don't call the GT80s and YZ80s in the same league.

I don't know where you are getting your info from, but 74 and 75 yz80s engines were not hopped up GT80s from ANY FACTORY!

They didn't just slap on different cases on a GT motor either.

So Basically?!, PLEASE just stick to the facts.

Remember, I owned 74, 75, 77 YZ80s,(my parents and I couldn't afford a new bike in 1976) and I just raced a short season of a few races in 76.

Matter of fact; my younger brother had a TY80 also.

Now yes, the GT80 and TY80 shared the same motors, though different internals and gearing(obviously) suited to the style of bike and type of riding.

The 1973GT80 was a great first bike(mine was 73GTI80).
The1974 YZ80A was so much better, handling and much faster, but still pretty slow compared to a stock XR75 which was so much faster.

The1975 YZ80B was so much faster than the YZ80A.
The 1977 YZ80D yet still better bike. I still liked my 75 YZ80B the best out of all of them.

Midway through the 1975 Mx season (District 14) my YZ was completely stock, for my birthday(July), my brothers and parents purchased the Yamaha GYT kit that came with a Skyway Silencer on the expansion chamber. It was the best sounding bike period(not the loudest). The bike was rev-er, all the power was at or near redline. Clutches didn't like it. At the same time, they purchased (brother Todd) skunk lay down kit and Boge shocks. Todd took my bike to Staten's to weld up. I do remember the first time firing it up! Wow! A 12 yr old kid, it was pure Bliss!

I couldn't have had a better life back then, and didn't take it for granted. I worked on my bikes, with the help of my brother. I could change pistons and rings and most basic mechanicals except for splitting cases since my first bike at 10 yrs old.

I like this site and welcome great stories and information which I enjoy reading and learning, though I don't like words and mis info that is a waste of my(our) time. This why I don't hang around liars, cheaters, and people that steal.
6/14/2009 11:06pm
Dude, I own a '76 YZ80C at this very moment. Bore and stroke dimensions on the '74-'75 YZ80's are the exact same as a GT 80/TY80. NO LIE. If you can't handle that FACT, you can EABOD's.

Before you go calling someone a thief, liar,and cheat, you should know WTF you are talking about. You still act like you are 12 years old.

If you have owned and worked on that many YZ80's from 74 to 77, and you can not tell the difference between a 47mm piston and a 49mm piston, your bikes were probably slower than your current train of thought.

The FACT remains ,the first two years of YZ80 prouduction were 72CC ,GT80 based dimensions.

Now go play in traffic.
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I rode the YZ80 with red stripe on a silver tank and it had twin shocks. All I remember about that bike was it liked to swap alot. Almost got killed a few times riding it!
6/15/2009 8:18am
Can't engines have the same bore and stroke and be completely different engines? Heck, they could be made by different mfg's and have the same bore/stroke as each other.

PRS395- a stock XR75 was faster than the YZ80? Wow, I would never have expected that.
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I had YZ80A with a Noguchi kit. Head, barrel, carb and down pipe, Funnily enough only 72cc as well.

Tripled the horsepower, and revved it's ring off. About 13,000 rpm if I remember right. Good way to teach a 10 year old how to ride. 125's in comparion were torquey.
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Dropbear wrote:
I had YZ80A with a Noguchi kit. Head, barrel, carb and down pipe, Funnily enough only 72cc as well. Tripled the horsepower, and revved it's ring...
I had YZ80A with a Noguchi kit. Head, barrel, carb and down pipe, Funnily enough only 72cc as well.

Tripled the horsepower, and revved it's ring off. About 13,000 rpm if I remember right. Good way to teach a 10 year old how to ride. 125's in comparion were torquey.
You know the mini class sounds like a swarm of bees coming?
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Dude, I own a '76 YZ80C at this very moment. Bore and stroke dimensions on the '74-'75 YZ80's are the exact same as a GT 80/TY80...
Dude, I own a '76 YZ80C at this very moment. Bore and stroke dimensions on the '74-'75 YZ80's are the exact same as a GT 80/TY80. NO LIE. If you can't handle that FACT, you can EABOD's.

Before you go calling someone a thief, liar,and cheat, you should know WTF you are talking about. You still act like you are 12 years old.

If you have owned and worked on that many YZ80's from 74 to 77, and you can not tell the difference between a 47mm piston and a 49mm piston, your bikes were probably slower than your current train of thought.

The FACT remains ,the first two years of YZ80 prouduction were 72CC ,GT80 based dimensions.

Now go play in traffic.
Thanks for the kind reply.

I want to correct myself, and do not want to label you a lie, cheat, stealer, since, you took my blanket statement personal. I don't know you. I will start over.

What you said before, "Design" to now, "Dimensions", which has been my point from the beginning.

I also forgot left side outside case looks almost the same if not same for yz / gt. So I get what you are saying just by looking at L H Side. We did shave cases to expose the countershaft sproket on my bikes.

I will take your expertise on what size the bore and ccs

What ever the specs; The yellow tank YZ80B (first yellow tank yz80, 1975)
was waaay faster than the Grey Tank YZ80A, weather they both were 72mm or not. Much of the HP gains were visable to the eye when comparing the
A and B.



Matt;
I raced this kid(he wanted to see what my bike would do, and so did my friends) on a dirt road, I being scared that the cops might catch us riding on a public road. On my stock(only having the bike a couple weeks (grey tank)1974 yz80a, this kid walked all over my bike, in the middle, especially top end.

DropBear I would almost give an eye to have a Nogouchi kit yz80 back then and now.





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Can't engines have the same bore and stroke and be completely different engines? Heck, they could be made by different mfg's and have the same bore/stroke...
Can't engines have the same bore and stroke and be completely different engines? Heck, they could be made by different mfg's and have the same bore/stroke as each other.

PRS395- a stock XR75 was faster than the YZ80? Wow, I would never have expected that.
I've never seen a stock XR75 outrun/outpull a stock YZ80 and I rode YZ80's until 78'.
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I saw a couple outrun my pos GT80 though!
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6/19/2009 7:54am Edited Date/Time 6/19/2009 7:55am
My 73 XR75 had a powroll cam, 80cc high compression piston, ported head and a Bassani pipe and it would spank my brother's 74 TM100 when it was stock. That changed when he installed a FMF pipe and the TM came alive.
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The YZ80A, TM75, and XR75 were all about the same HP. About 6 bhp. Even a lot of guys on Indian MX76's were competitive.

It was just a lot easier to make the 2 strokes faster. Just a pod filter and a pipe and the YZ80 was away.

Of course the YZ80B blew them all away. The following year. The gates were 95% Yamaha that year.
8/17/2010 3:45pm
I read these post and felt like I would add my 2 cents. I personaly owned a 1973 GT 80, and in no way was it considered fast. I grew up racing YZ- 80s but did own XR-75s at the same time. There is no way the GT-80 would even compare to any year of the YZ-80s. The YZ-80s would completely smoke a GT-80 period. (prs395 I am with you 100 % on this debate and you are correct, you speak the truth and you are not a lying.) Johnny Bonacci
8/17/2010 3:45pm Edited Date/Time 8/17/2010 3:46pm
8/18/2010 8:57pm
I read these post and felt like I would add my 2 cents. I personaly owned a 1973 GT 80, and in no way was it...
I read these post and felt like I would add my 2 cents. I personaly owned a 1973 GT 80, and in no way was it considered fast. I grew up racing YZ- 80s but did own XR-75s at the same time. There is no way the GT-80 would even compare to any year of the YZ-80s. The YZ-80s would completely smoke a GT-80 period. (prs395 I am with you 100 % on this debate and you are correct, you speak the truth and you are not a lying.) Johnny Bonacci
What do you not understand about the 74-75 YZ 80 engines being based on the same bore and stroke dimensions as a GT80? The 74-75 YZ80 even shared the same integral threaded exhaust port flange on the cylinder as the GT80 it was based on.

While Yamaha may have developed a new chassis,suspension, bodywork for the first two years of YZ80 production, the fact remains that the engines were based on the 72cc design of the GT80.

I am sure there are some slight porting differences between the GT and YZ ,along with a slightly larger carburetor and different pipe design for the 74-75 YZ80.

Yamaha's first ever YZ dirt bike's engine was based off a DT-1 enduro. The first two years
of Yamaha's YZ80 were based on the GT80 engine design / dimensions. That's the way it was. Not saying they were not faster than the GT80. They were not even full on 80's for the first two years.


















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That was my first 2-stroke motorcycle or mini-cycle. My Dad cut the silencer off and I raced it stock. I think he got me a set of Works performance shock and that bike was so fast. I won many Beginner races back in the day on this machine.

Very good memories!
9/6/2012 6:48pm
I have to say, after catching the bug again, I pulled my old 80 I grew up on out of the barn last weekend. (covered and stored properly ). Have not ran it in 17 years. Fired on the first kid, now in pieces for a full resto thanks to nostalgia. The block on my dead stock all original 75 YZ says right on the block 79 cc. Let's put that to rest. Second, I can't believe as a grown man how stinking fast that little bike is, and i was swapping riding that and my 700 efi Raptor on dads farm.
9/6/2012 6:49pm
By the way, any help with where to find part like oem fenders and seat covers would be great guys. And don't get to nasty, we all love our bikes and the hobby!
9/6/2012 8:56pm
I have to say, after catching the bug again, I pulled my old 80 I grew up on out of the barn last weekend. (covered and...
I have to say, after catching the bug again, I pulled my old 80 I grew up on out of the barn last weekend. (covered and stored properly ). Have not ran it in 17 years. Fired on the first kid, now in pieces for a full resto thanks to nostalgia. The block on my dead stock all original 75 YZ says right on the block 79 cc. Let's put that to rest. Second, I can't believe as a grown man how stinking fast that little bike is, and i was swapping riding that and my 700 efi Raptor on dads farm.
OK. If your bike is a true 1975 model YZ80B, it should also have 492 as the prefix code on the frame, cases, and the cylinder.

Measure any standard Yamaha,Wiseco or any other piston for the 75, and it will be 47mm. The 76 will be 49mm.

There is a reason why all piston manufacturers show the 74-75 YZ80, the GT80, and the TY 80 using the same piston.

The 76-80 model YZ80 uses a different piston, because it is for the 49mm bore.

47mm bore x 42mm stroke will put you just under 73cc. This is what a true 75 YZ80 measures out at on standard bore.

If your bike has a 598 code cylinder on it, it will be 79cc, as that is a 76 C model cylinder.
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Old post I know, but I was talking to an old mate the other day and he said all the early minis were all 72cc (XR,YZ, TM) etc was because the European class limit at the time was 75cc.
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