What is the value of advertising in SX/MX?

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12/4/2013 11:40am Edited Date/Time 12/4/2013 11:44am
What about football, tennis, basketball, golf,... why do outside sponsors literally flood thoose sports with money then? When watching a match I see no more logos than when watching a race...

Also I dont understand this 18 to 34 demo thing. MX is all about spoiled kids and vets.18-28 is a desert.
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12/4/2013 12:35pm Edited Date/Time 12/4/2013 12:35pm
Get rid of the numbers? Put them on the fender? No.
-I'm sick of seeing ads everywhere I turn
-The permanent number system was started to give the riders an 'identity', so the new fan could track them and help drive merch sales..Like Nascar.
-What would you all do if you couldn't call out rider using the "RV2, RD5, AC92" crap. Might have to spell their names!!11!! The horror.Shocked
12/4/2013 12:59pm
usp4u wrote:
Get rid of the numbers? Put them on the fender? No. -I'm sick of seeing ads everywhere I turn -The permanent number system was started to...
Get rid of the numbers? Put them on the fender? No.
-I'm sick of seeing ads everywhere I turn
-The permanent number system was started to give the riders an 'identity', so the new fan could track them and help drive merch sales..Like Nascar.
-What would you all do if you couldn't call out rider using the "RV2, RD5, AC92" crap. Might have to spell their names!!11!! The horror.Shocked
1. This sport desperately needs outside money.
2. Nobody said anything about removing the rider number system. The number would still be on the back, just smaller and lower on the back.
3. See #2 above.
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12/4/2013 1:13pm Edited Date/Time 12/4/2013 1:15pm
I'm not a fan of the RV2, RD5, etc phenomenon. Right there with you @usp4u

Outside sponsors flood stick and ball sports because they have more eyeballs. If you look closer, you'll see the logos, they're just more subdued.

Advertising, while hated, is needed for brands to survive...exposure...exposure...exposure. MX isn't big enough to write its own rules so we're still in the age of slap-a-sticker where you like and call it good. It looks pathetic if you ask me. We're somewhere between Nascar and some hill-jack whose entire back window is covered in stickers.

We don't come off as professional so why would major non-endemic brands take us seriously? Because the sport is part of an influential subset of sports called action sports. Some brands have gambled...others have been burned...while others are watching to see what happens.

In the end, Feld is going to do what's best for Feld. MX Sports is gonna do what's best for MX Sports. No disrespect. They're trying to make the sport better AND make money because making the sport better makes them money.

Maybe it's too tough to do both.

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12/4/2013 3:07pm
Zaugg wrote:
I'm not a fan of the RV2, RD5, etc phenomenon. Right there with you @usp4u Outside sponsors flood stick and ball sports because they have more...
I'm not a fan of the RV2, RD5, etc phenomenon. Right there with you @usp4u

Outside sponsors flood stick and ball sports because they have more eyeballs. If you look closer, you'll see the logos, they're just more subdued.

Advertising, while hated, is needed for brands to survive...exposure...exposure...exposure. MX isn't big enough to write its own rules so we're still in the age of slap-a-sticker where you like and call it good. It looks pathetic if you ask me. We're somewhere between Nascar and some hill-jack whose entire back window is covered in stickers.

We don't come off as professional so why would major non-endemic brands take us seriously? Because the sport is part of an influential subset of sports called action sports. Some brands have gambled...others have been burned...while others are watching to see what happens.

In the end, Feld is going to do what's best for Feld. MX Sports is gonna do what's best for MX Sports. No disrespect. They're trying to make the sport better AND make money because making the sport better makes them money.

Maybe it's too tough to do both.
ohhhhh checkmate for the Zaugger! Great post. Well thought. 'Lack of professionalism' is music to my ears. I thought I was the only one thinking that. If more money is going to come in.....and stay in.....we need to 'look like more money'. I personally think that if I started showing up to SX pits in a fuckin suit that it would cause just as much noise, by being polar opposite, as the proto punk movement and MotoXXX (which was an incredible time period to live through). Except I think the industry is even more afraid of the suit....even the top level manufacturers and industry conglomerates! The industry needs to watch Boiler Room again....BUT sell with integrity......and be relentless, that's it I'm done!Smile
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12/4/2013 3:14pm
Holigan wrote:
Based on my own personal sales, the value is $1,200,000 to $2,000,000 for a primary sponsor of a team. Associate sponsors are $20,000 to $100,000. Every...
Based on my own personal sales, the value is $1,200,000 to $2,000,000 for a primary sponsor of a team. Associate sponsors are $20,000 to $100,000.

Every sponsor wants more signage on the bikes and the riders. But people at Samsung, Sprint, Radio Shack, Nestle Powerbar, GMC, Boo Koo, MasterCraft, etc. were smart enough to know not to change the look of the bike as it would be a negative with the fans.

Joyce Julius numbers are just a CYA (cover your ass) for young people at agencies. I have never seen a decision maker place any value whatsoever on a JJ report in SX/MX or NASCAR, as those numbers are meaningless. Anyone that is trying to sell SX/MX based on a JJ report and television ratings will never close a deal.

SX/MX sponsors buy in to being a part of the show with Men 18 to 34. That is the hardest demo to reach effectively with advertising, and SX/MX hits that demo. The sale is making sponsors understand that they will be a part of the big show (over 1,000,000 attendees annually) in this demo, and that these fans will carry their brand on their own bikes, gear, clothes, trucks, etc. I hate to say it as there is already too much ego here, but people that participate in motocross are considered “influencers” inside this Male 18-34 demo. If you can get the fans to buy in to your sponsorship, their friends and relatives will be affected. Both Red Bull and Monster has done an excellent job at starting here and spreading everywhere.
Hey Holigan, thanks for a great response to the post. You took a good time thinking on it and I appreciate that.

But.....in regards to "Every sponsor wants more signage on the bikes and the riders. But people at Samsung, Sprint, Radio Shack, Nestle Powerbar, GMC, Boo Koo, MasterCraft, etc. were smart enough to know not to change the look of the bike as it would be a negative with the fans"......how do you really know of this negative effect with fans? The look of the bike has never really been altered enough to make any different look as far as plastics and logo space. How do we know they wouldn't love it!!

Change is inevitable. Some like same ol' same ol'. Many will welcome it with open arms. Hmmmm
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4/14/2016 4:51pm
Has the market matured enough to resurrect this discussion? Let her rip.........
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Pro racing is about 10% of my interest in this sport. If it completely went away I really would not care. The other 90% (and the reason we spend over $15,000 a year supporting the manufacturers and aftermarket) is our own riding and racing. Personally I think this fact is lost on the entire industry. I don't care who wins the races, what their names are, what color bike they are on, or what stickers they run on their bikes.
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1/30/2021 10:17am
Hey everyone, Does anyone have the sponsorship opportunities deck for Monster Energy Supercross 2021? If so could you share it? I have a client that would like to buy commercials in the broadcast and do some onsite activation at some of the races. jamie.allen@relentlessmedia.com Thanks!
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1/30/2021 3:16pm
2013 ... 2016 ... 2021 quite the cycle Woohoo
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1/30/2021 3:45pm
I mean selling the number plate isn't a bad idea..

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