Is this how Roger really sees things?

Suicidal_Tendencies wrote:

Managed the 80s and 90s Honda team with titles from Bailey, O'Mara, Lechien, Bayle, Stanton, to everyone from RC to Dungey, and Webb. If memory serves...

Managed the 80s and 90s Honda team with titles from Bailey, O'Mara, Lechien, Bayle, Stanton, to everyone from RC to Dungey, and Webb. If memory serves me correct, there were titles on the 90s Suzuki team like Albertyn and TP199. Managed Team U.S.A. to how many MXoN victories? How is that overdone, and can you name a more prolific and winning team manager?

UpTiTe wrote:

He was never team manager at Honda and was only responsible for hiring one rider out all those guys. Dave Arnold built that team and hired...

He was never team manager at Honda and was only responsible for hiring one rider out all those guys. Dave Arnold built that team and hired those riders.

Suzuki? Take away RC and a chance meeting with Dungey and what did he win?

Developing a new bike? Andrew Short was developing that bike when Roger was hired, KTM was going to be a power house with or without him because of Pit. Did he help set that bike up for supercross and the US? Yes, with the help of Ian.

Obviously the guy has achieved tons, but he also gets a lot of credit for things that would’ve happened without him.

UpTiTe wrote:

He never managed team Honda, all those riders and hires were Dave Arnold, except Bayle, that was his idea. Like I said, take away RC and...

He never managed team Honda, all those riders and hires were Dave Arnold, except Bayle, that was his idea.

Like I said, take away RC and a chance meeting with Dungey, and he is a very average team manager.

Everyone claiming he hand picked Dungey out of the B class just makes me laugh, he was there resting for another Suzuki team and Decoster had no idea who he was.

If he is such a great finder of talent, how come literally all the amateurs that come up through his system fail?

Forty wrote:

Bitter? Something personal happen?

UpTiTe wrote:

He never managed team Honda, all those riders and hires were Dave Arnold, except Bayle, that was his idea. Like I said, take away RC and...

He never managed team Honda, all those riders and hires were Dave Arnold, except Bayle, that was his idea.

Like I said, take away RC and a chance meeting with Dungey, and he is a very average team manager.

Everyone claiming he hand picked Dungey out of the B class just makes me laugh, he was there resting for another Suzuki team and Decoster had no idea who he was.

If he is such a great finder of talent, how come literally all the amateurs that come up through his system fail?

CPR wrote:

Funny I haven’t noticed too many amateurs on factory 450s under Roger’s ‘system’. I’ll have to pay more attention.... Let’s put it this way; how did...

Funny I haven’t noticed too many amateurs on factory 450s under Roger’s ‘system’. I’ll have to pay more attention....

Let’s put it this way; how did factory Honda go while Roger was there? How Did Suzuki go? How has KTM performed since his arrival?
Coincidence? I think not.

ZOBITO wrote:

One thing's for sure -and I don't have a clue why- KTM's 250 teams never had the same success in the US they have in the...

One thing's for sure -and I don't have a clue why- KTM's 250 teams never had the same success in the US they have in the GPs.

Forty wrote:

Bitter? Something personal happen?

UpTiTe wrote:

Not at all. I think he has treated a lot of riders not in his little clique shitty, but they got paid.

Motofinne wrote:

KTM has been winning in everything they are involved in except US 250 MX/SX after they folded their own 250 team and let TLD run it...

KTM has been winning in everything they are involved in except US 250 MX/SX after they folded their own 250 team and let TLD run it. TLD hasn't been winning.

I'm gonna laugh at that and trust Roger, rather than an anonymous "industry guy" with what seems to have hurt feelings. And the riders conspiracy theory? My god, does he think the earth is flat too?

GrapeApe wrote:

When the 250 program was in-house they won championships with Roczen and Musquin. TLD has struggled, but they haven't exactly had a Roczen or a Musquin...

When the 250 program was in-house they won championships with Roczen and Musquin. TLD has struggled, but they haven't exactly had a Roczen or a Musquin to work with either.

mx_563 wrote:

My understanding is that Roger's influence is what triggered the development of the 1996 RM250, and while this bike may not have been revolutionary, it ultimately...

My understanding is that Roger's influence is what triggered the development of the 1996 RM250, and while this bike may not have been revolutionary, it ultimately lead to development of the bike that RC was able to win on.

Around the time that Dungey signed with KTM, this is what KTM was banking on in MX:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/y1uX1cQZRVTi2Z0maCxWt62rYcfKYK4…

It is my understanding that Roger was responsible for identifying the superior potential of their "off road" motor and steering the company toward development of it...
https://motocrossactionmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Engine_4T_450…

As team manager, Roger wasn't simply acting as a "rider coach/advisor". Sure, Rick Johnson, Dunge and RC did the winning. But Roger was responsible for creating an infrastructure where that talent could prosper. There are plenty of stories out there of fast guys with huge potential being unhappy with a team and not being able to turn their potential into success. RC could've stayed at Honda. He chose to sign with Roger. That should tell you something.

As for Izzy, he was fast but never in shape. Roger has zero patience for that so I'm not surprised if Izzy fell out of favor with DeCoster.

And as for GasGas/Husq/KTM....if KTM wants a tiered system, a tiered system they shall have. This is likely a corporate strategy and it's Roger's job to execute that strategy...whether he agrees with it or not. I doubt Roger came up with the tiered approach on his own.

Coldenhoff's win on the GasGas might have happened in spite of politics, not due to lack of politics. We don't know.

I will step down from my soapbox now....

Motofinne wrote:

KTM has been winning in everything they are involved in except US 250 MX/SX after they folded their own 250 team and let TLD run it...

KTM has been winning in everything they are involved in except US 250 MX/SX after they folded their own 250 team and let TLD run it. TLD hasn't been winning.

I'm gonna laugh at that and trust Roger, rather than an anonymous "industry guy" with what seems to have hurt feelings. And the riders conspiracy theory? My god, does he think the earth is flat too?

Johnny Depp wrote:

"KTM has been winning in everything they are involved in except" [b]for EnduroGP which they pulled out of.[/b] Remember when they used to be an enduro...

"KTM has been winning in everything they are involved in except" for EnduroGP which they pulled out of.

Remember when they used to be an enduro bike company? Maybe next year.

LungButter wrote:

The YZ250 led to the bike Carmichael won on. Suzuki bought one, reverse engineered and made an RM version of the YZ.

Motofinne wrote:

Yeah, KTM were so unsuccessful in the enduro world championship.... Cmon man. How many world enduro titles do they have? Too many to be counted. And...

Yeah, KTM were so unsuccessful in the enduro world championship.... Cmon man. How many world enduro titles do they have? Too many to be counted. And they would win again if they wanted to participate in it. Which is why i wrote "everything they are involved in".

UpTiTe wrote:

When your boss gives you pain killers and you reach out to him when you realize you’re addicted and he won’t answer your call, he has...

When your boss gives you pain killers and you reach out to him when you realize you’re addicted and he won’t answer your call, he has plenty to do with it.

UpTiTe wrote:

He was never team manager at Honda and was only responsible for hiring one rider out all those guys. Dave Arnold built that team and hired...

He was never team manager at Honda and was only responsible for hiring one rider out all those guys. Dave Arnold built that team and hired those riders.

Suzuki? Take away RC and a chance meeting with Dungey and what did he win?

Developing a new bike? Andrew Short was developing that bike when Roger was hired, KTM was going to be a power house with or without him because of Pit. Did he help set that bike up for supercross and the US? Yes, with the help of Ian.

Obviously the guy has achieved tons, but he also gets a lot of credit for things that would’ve happened without him.

LungButter wrote:

This.

UpTiTe wrote:

When your boss gives you pain killers and you reach out to him when you realize you’re addicted and he won’t answer your call, he has...

When your boss gives you pain killers and you reach out to him when you realize you’re addicted and he won’t answer your call, he has plenty to do with it.

Brent wrote:

Show us evidence - anything short of that and your post should get clipped.
People who make serious allegations should be prepared to back them up.

Johnny Ringo wrote:

All you guys cry and beg for insider info and when someone finally gives it you cry more and want the post clipped

Suicidal_Tendencies wrote:

Managed the 80s and 90s Honda team with titles from Bailey, O'Mara, Lechien, Bayle, Stanton, to everyone from RC to Dungey, and Webb. If memory serves...

Managed the 80s and 90s Honda team with titles from Bailey, O'Mara, Lechien, Bayle, Stanton, to everyone from RC to Dungey, and Webb. If memory serves me correct, there were titles on the 90s Suzuki team like Albertyn and TP199. Managed Team U.S.A. to how many MXoN victories? How is that overdone, and can you name a more prolific and winning team manager?

UpTiTe wrote:

He never managed team Honda, all those riders and hires were Dave Arnold, except Bayle, that was his idea. Like I said, take away RC and...

He never managed team Honda, all those riders and hires were Dave Arnold, except Bayle, that was his idea.

Like I said, take away RC and a chance meeting with Dungey, and he is a very average team manager.

Everyone claiming he hand picked Dungey out of the B class just makes me laugh, he was there resting for another Suzuki team and Decoster had no idea who he was.

If he is such a great finder of talent, how come literally all the amateurs that come up through his system fail?

Suicidal_Tendencies wrote:

Managed the 80s and 90s Honda team with titles from Bailey, O'Mara, Lechien, Bayle, Stanton, to everyone from RC to Dungey, and Webb. If memory serves...

Managed the 80s and 90s Honda team with titles from Bailey, O'Mara, Lechien, Bayle, Stanton, to everyone from RC to Dungey, and Webb. If memory serves me correct, there were titles on the 90s Suzuki team like Albertyn and TP199. Managed Team U.S.A. to how many MXoN victories? How is that overdone, and can you name a more prolific and winning team manager?

UpTiTe wrote:

He never managed team Honda, all those riders and hires were Dave Arnold, except Bayle, that was his idea. Like I said, take away RC and...

He never managed team Honda, all those riders and hires were Dave Arnold, except Bayle, that was his idea.

Like I said, take away RC and a chance meeting with Dungey, and he is a very average team manager.

Everyone claiming he hand picked Dungey out of the B class just makes me laugh, he was there resting for another Suzuki team and Decoster had no idea who he was.

If he is such a great finder of talent, how come literally all the amateurs that come up through his system fail?

Johnny Ringo wrote:

All you guys cry and beg for insider info and when someone finally gives it you cry more and want the post clipped

Brent wrote:

No one is crying, I just want proof of the statement, it’s a pretty serious allegation. DeCoster is a real man with a family and a...

No one is crying, I just want proof of the statement, it’s a pretty serious allegation.

DeCoster is a real man with a family and a reputation, if some anonymous screen name is going to accuse him of something like this , it would be nice to see some proof, otherwise it’s just someone trying to slander the guy.

GrapeApe wrote:

When the 250 program was in-house they won championships with Roczen and Musquin. TLD has struggled, but they haven't exactly had a Roczen or a Musquin...

When the 250 program was in-house they won championships with Roczen and Musquin. TLD has struggled, but they haven't exactly had a Roczen or a Musquin to work with either.

ZOBITO wrote:

Still far from the dominance they've had in Europe.