MUD/ OVERHEAT MAP

Do the factory teams have a special ignition/ fueling map for mud conditions?
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dbx33
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8/24/2020 5:46am
I would have it run a lot richer and slightly reduced timing for sure.
GIwasB4
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8/24/2020 8:10am
Evidently not
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8/24/2020 9:22am
You really can only do a little bit in their calibrations, if they had an ETC you could do a lot more, but with a mechanical throttle its somewhat limited. Adding some fuel helps for sure, however I don't believe timing does as much as some think. When you retard the timing you will get a power reduction which helps, however you also push out burn duration and timing, meaning combustion is pushed out later, and can still be burning when the exhaust valve opens. What this means is increased heat load on the exhaust valves, and ports which is the hardest area of the cylinder head to cool, and can actually make head temps worse in these areas. This can fail the head gasket or reduce the clamp load on the head bolts eventually also failing the seal.

The best method to save an overheating engine is in the right hand of the operator.
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Momus
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8/24/2020 9:38am
WoodsRacer wrote:
You really can only do a little bit in their calibrations, if they had an ETC you could do a lot more, but with a mechanical...
You really can only do a little bit in their calibrations, if they had an ETC you could do a lot more, but with a mechanical throttle its somewhat limited. Adding some fuel helps for sure, however I don't believe timing does as much as some think. When you retard the timing you will get a power reduction which helps, however you also push out burn duration and timing, meaning combustion is pushed out later, and can still be burning when the exhaust valve opens. What this means is increased heat load on the exhaust valves, and ports which is the hardest area of the cylinder head to cool, and can actually make head temps worse in these areas. This can fail the head gasket or reduce the clamp load on the head bolts eventually also failing the seal.

The best method to save an overheating engine is in the right hand of the operator.
Good explanation of retarded timing's effect.

Jett Lawrence said when he went down and dislodged his radiator louvres the engine temperature went up very quickly and resulted in him cooking.

That is neither a rider's issue or a engine design problem but something the mechanics and manufacturers should be onto.

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philG
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8/24/2020 10:45am
For Supermoto, we have a wet map ( well 2 actually) , less ignition and more fuel, and a lot less ignition and the same amount of more fuel, both are a must, we have had mudders too, but not to that extent, but it takes a lot of stress out of the motor for sure.

I swear some riders nail the bike more in the mud than they need to, and it usually the same people that have trouble, and the same ones that dont.
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zippytech
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8/24/2020 10:56am
How come wood riders don't seem to have this problem as much?
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just James
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8/24/2020 11:04am
Lower compression would help a lot.
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slowgti
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8/24/2020 11:14am
Mapping won’t help with clutch heat

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