Nationals Postponed - Again

KX500 wrote:

Since Pro-Choice is a thing, why doesn't that apply to wearing of face masks? One choice has about a 100% fatality rate while the other would...

Since Pro-Choice is a thing, why doesn't that apply to wearing of face masks?

One choice has about a 100% fatality rate while the other would have some incredibly small & hard to calculate fatality rate - say 0.1% (I rounded up).

Very much like saying some lives matter a lot, while other lives don't matter at all.

Bring on the down votes!

Fonzarelli wrote:

This thread seemed to be left alone for a couple days as information and opinions were mostly respectfully shared. But there's always that guy who has...

This thread seemed to be left alone for a couple days as information and opinions were mostly respectfully shared. But there's always that guy who has to go off the deep end and I suspect the huge clean up will now soon follow.

KX500 wrote:

Pretty sure I used no bad language and used no bad names. Just a point of view - everybody has one and they don't have to...

Pretty sure I used no bad language and used no bad names.

Just a point of view - everybody has one and they don't have to match.

If I think I see something contradictory, I just might mention it. Disagreement & disrespectful aren't the same thing (although many do see it that way - The Nerve of That Guy Not Agreeing With Me!

But yes, this thread has been off the rails for a while - why not push it a little further (respectfully)?

Dirtydeeds wrote:

You also used no common sense. You should give that a go sometime!

Dirtydeeds wrote:

You also used no common sense. You should give that a go sometime!

KX500 wrote:

Oh, do explain......

KX500 wrote:

A little weak on the closing argument, but my expectation were met!

KX500 wrote:

A little weak on the closing argument, but my expectation were met!

KX500 wrote:

A little weak on the closing argument, but my expectation were met!

Indian_Dunes_4ever wrote:

You're wasting your breath on the kool-aid crowd. It's like trying to reason with a bumper sticker.

Chance1216 wrote:

Can I play? Question. If simply wearing a mask brought back the Nationals, would you wear one?

Chance1216 wrote:

Can I play? Question. If simply wearing a mask brought back the Nationals, would you wear one?

KX500 wrote:

Yes. I understand the difference between what a company/enterprise/etc. may feel the need to do (mandate masks) vrs. what an individual may feel the need to...

Yes.

I understand the difference between what a company/enterprise/etc. may feel the need to do (mandate masks) vrs. what an individual may feel the need to do (mask or no mask).

KX500 wrote:

A little weak on the closing argument, but my expectation were met!

Indian_Dunes_4ever wrote:

You're wasting your breath on the kool-aid crowd. It's like trying to reason with a bumper sticker.

Fonzarelli wrote:

The information about hospital payments is a flat out lie, you are only repeating information that ridiculous conspiracy websites put up to trick people, you were...

The information about hospital payments is a flat out lie, you are only repeating information that ridiculous conspiracy websites put up to trick people, you were tricked and are repeating the same false info. If you looked into it you could find the truth yourself. Here are the facts:

Medicare pays hospitals flat rates for specific treatments. If you go to a hospital and get an x ray on a broken arm Medicare pays $X.00 for that service, if they have to set the bone they get paid $Y.00 and if they have to put on a cast they get paid $Z.00.

The exact same system is set up for Covid19. When a Medicare patient walks in the door and gets diagnosed with Covid19 Medicare will pay that hospital $X.00 for room for a day, $Y.00 amount for breathing treatments, $Z.00 amount to be put on a ventilator etc.etc.etc. There are no bonus payments for a Covid19 diagnosis, there are no bonus payouts because someone dies from Covid. The hospital is paid for the treatment they provide, period. You have bought into completely false propaganda.If there is a patient who doesn't have Covid19 but the hospital bills Medicare for Covid19 treatments that hospital is committing Medicare fraud, that does exist but to do that they are going to need a lab and a medical examiner to be in cahoots with them, and for what? Most people in the hospital dying are dying from cancer or heart attacks or something else that Medicare pays a hell of a lot more for treating that they do for Covid19.

The figures you quote, $13.000 and $39,000 are Medicare bill averages. The average total bill for a Covid19 patient that comes to the hospital is $13,000. The average total bill for aCovid19 patient that comes and ends up in ICU, on a ventilator and eventually dead is $39,000. That where those figures come from. They are the costs of treatment provided to people, not bonus payments for any kind of diagnosis.

Indian_Dunes_4ever wrote:

You're wasting your breath on the kool-aid crowd. It's like trying to reason with a bumper sticker.

seth505 wrote:

Absolutely no one should have to explain why the comparison to pro-choice was crazy talk. Especially Indian Dunes. In one thread you're talking about sheep cowering...

Absolutely no one should have to explain why the comparison to pro-choice was crazy talk. Especially Indian Dunes. In one thread you're talking about sheep cowering in fear then in another thread you're referencing Hitler and saying we won't make it through this division that is happening. You're the one that sounds scared and should probably hide in your bedroom.

hamncheeze wrote:

All this thread has proved to me is why exactly we are in such a fucked up situation. We have a group of people on here...

All this thread has proved to me is why exactly we are in such a fucked up situation. We have a group of people on here calling other people sheep, bitching about tyranny, conspiracy, and whatever else. This group is also the loudest group complaining about the Nationals being postponed and "harkens back to the day when we all weren't pussies". All this group has to do, to help everything.....the spread of illness, the opening of an economy, getting Motocross going again, etc, etc, is take some simple precautions. But instead it is just take shots at people, promote half-baked theories full of bad data, and blame everyone but themselves for why things are so bad.

Fuck, just do the right thing already. It's not that hard.

KX500 wrote:

Since Pro-Choice is a thing, why doesn't that apply to wearing of face masks? One choice has about a 100% fatality rate while the other would...

Since Pro-Choice is a thing, why doesn't that apply to wearing of face masks?

One choice has about a 100% fatality rate while the other would have some incredibly small & hard to calculate fatality rate - say 0.1% (I rounded up).

Very much like saying some lives matter a lot, while other lives don't matter at all.

Bring on the down votes!

KX500 wrote:

I mean, weren't we all a little amused with the mask usage at the SLC rounds? It was obvious if they were going to be anywhere...

I mean, weren't we all a little amused with the mask usage at the SLC rounds? It was obvious if they were going to be anywhere near a camera, they better have a mask on. Didn't matter if they were 20 ft from the nearest person-better have a mask. The podium interviews come to mind. At least they had the decency to let the riders (who'd been off the bike for about a minute) to not have to wear a mask. But the guy with the microphone (about 10 feet away) better have a mask. One might think appearances are more important than reality.

I am thrilled the SLC rounds happened. Thank you Utah!

If mask usage like that is what it takes, so be it. They did what they had to do.

But (I think) we all understand, if no body it near you, a mask isn't needed.

Dirtydeeds wrote:

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Black Diesel Bomber wrote:

So you think that group of people are wrong, but that group of people thinks you are wrong as well, and it's about 50/50 on each...

So you think that group of people are wrong, but that group of people thinks you are wrong as well, and it's about 50/50 on each side.

Instead of watching the media where you can't believe anything you see anymore (right or left), take a look at what's going on around you. I know 9 people now who've had it, and I bet a lot of you have already had it but just don't know it. If the virus was so "deadly", all 9 people I know would be dead. But no, at worst they had a mild fever for a 3-5 days One of my employees in his 60's currently has it those are his symptoms as well, we'll see how long it lasts. My friend's Dad had it and he was pretty sick for a week and a half, but guess what - he's not healthy and has other issues. Still, he recovered.

If you are healthy this is just a flu bug. It surely can be considered a "bad" flu bug in some cases. If you are sick with other medical complications this virus can be deadly. But that's no different than any other flu or pneumonia other than it being new to us, which could make the death toll higher than the seasonal flu. This flu bug will run it's course, just like every other flu bug.

There are exceptions to every scenario, such as a healthy person can die from it right? But this is where the media and division comes into play. The fact that the one healthy person that dies form it will be cherry picked and blasted all over the headline news, whereas the 10 million other healthy people who already had it with no symptoms or are whom already recovered aren't being talked about. This is what creates the division.....because 1/2 of people believe what they see on the news, and the other half wonders how they could be so blind.

Yeah I have family who works in the hospitals too. I was also recently in the hospital when the media was claiming hospitals are overwhelmed. I went in and it was dead. I asked where all the covid patients were, and they said "uh yeah, a little different scene than the media is portraying huh?"

Media and politics are creating and fueling the hate between the parties. Hopefully both sides can realize that.

KX500 wrote:

Since Pro-Choice is a thing, why doesn't that apply to wearing of face masks? One choice has about a 100% fatality rate while the other would...

Since Pro-Choice is a thing, why doesn't that apply to wearing of face masks?

One choice has about a 100% fatality rate while the other would have some incredibly small & hard to calculate fatality rate - say 0.1% (I rounded up).

Very much like saying some lives matter a lot, while other lives don't matter at all.

Bring on the down votes!

EngIceDave wrote:

Because your choice can effect me?

Just a guess

KX500 wrote:

So you're good with a choice that is pretty much guaranteed to take a (defenseless) life but not OK with a choice that has maybe a...

So you're good with a choice that is pretty much guaranteed to take a (defenseless) life but not OK with a choice that has maybe a 0.1% chance of taking a life?

I'm OK with being the only 1 here who sees a contradiction.

seth505 wrote:

Let's say you're a woman. Let's say you get raped. Let's say you have no support or financial backing to raise a kid you didn't ask...

Let's say you're a woman. Let's say you get raped. Let's say you have no support or financial backing to raise a kid you didn't ask for. Do WE make you have the kid? If we do, does that make any fucking sense to you?

seth505 wrote:

Let's say you're a woman. Let's say you get raped. Let's say you have no support or financial backing to raise a kid you didn't ask...

Let's say you're a woman. Let's say you get raped. Let's say you have no support or financial backing to raise a kid you didn't ask for. Do WE make you have the kid? If we do, does that make any fucking sense to you?

KX500 wrote:

Say there is a rape exception.

Then what?

Fonzarelli wrote:

The information about hospital payments is a flat out lie, you are only repeating information that ridiculous conspiracy websites put up to trick people, you were...

The information about hospital payments is a flat out lie, you are only repeating information that ridiculous conspiracy websites put up to trick people, you were tricked and are repeating the same false info. If you looked into it you could find the truth yourself. Here are the facts:

Medicare pays hospitals flat rates for specific treatments. If you go to a hospital and get an x ray on a broken arm Medicare pays $X.00 for that service, if they have to set the bone they get paid $Y.00 and if they have to put on a cast they get paid $Z.00.

The exact same system is set up for Covid19. When a Medicare patient walks in the door and gets diagnosed with Covid19 Medicare will pay that hospital $X.00 for room for a day, $Y.00 amount for breathing treatments, $Z.00 amount to be put on a ventilator etc.etc.etc. There are no bonus payments for a Covid19 diagnosis, there are no bonus payouts because someone dies from Covid. The hospital is paid for the treatment they provide, period. You have bought into completely false propaganda.If there is a patient who doesn't have Covid19 but the hospital bills Medicare for Covid19 treatments that hospital is committing Medicare fraud, that does exist but to do that they are going to need a lab and a medical examiner to be in cahoots with them, and for what? Most people in the hospital dying are dying from cancer or heart attacks or something else that Medicare pays a hell of a lot more for treating that they do for Covid19.

The figures you quote, $13.000 and $39,000 are Medicare bill averages. The average total bill for a Covid19 patient that comes to the hospital is $13,000. The average total bill for aCovid19 patient that comes and ends up in ICU, on a ventilator and eventually dead is $39,000. That where those figures come from. They are the costs of treatment provided to people, not bonus payments for any kind of diagnosis.

Black Diesel Bomber wrote:

So you think that group of people are wrong, but that group of people thinks you are wrong as well, and it's about 50/50 on each...

So you think that group of people are wrong, but that group of people thinks you are wrong as well, and it's about 50/50 on each side.

Instead of watching the media where you can't believe anything you see anymore (right or left), take a look at what's going on around you. I know 9 people now who've had it, and I bet a lot of you have already had it but just don't know it. If the virus was so "deadly", all 9 people I know would be dead. But no, at worst they had a mild fever for a 3-5 days One of my employees in his 60's currently has it those are his symptoms as well, we'll see how long it lasts. My friend's Dad had it and he was pretty sick for a week and a half, but guess what - he's not healthy and has other issues. Still, he recovered.

If you are healthy this is just a flu bug. It surely can be considered a "bad" flu bug in some cases. If you are sick with other medical complications this virus can be deadly. But that's no different than any other flu or pneumonia other than it being new to us, which could make the death toll higher than the seasonal flu. This flu bug will run it's course, just like every other flu bug.

There are exceptions to every scenario, such as a healthy person can die from it right? But this is where the media and division comes into play. The fact that the one healthy person that dies form it will be cherry picked and blasted all over the headline news, whereas the 10 million other healthy people who already had it with no symptoms or are whom already recovered aren't being talked about. This is what creates the division.....because 1/2 of people believe what they see on the news, and the other half wonders how they could be so blind.

Yeah I have family who works in the hospitals too. I was also recently in the hospital when the media was claiming hospitals are overwhelmed. I went in and it was dead. I asked where all the covid patients were, and they said "uh yeah, a little different scene than the media is portraying huh?"

Media and politics are creating and fueling the hate between the parties. Hopefully both sides can realize that.

BroFoSho wrote:

You know NINE people!? Dayum, that's some bad luck. May I ask if you are in an area particularly hit hard with COVID infections?