Nationals Postponed - Again

Lucifa. wrote:

Good call.

Stay home save lives.

Fuck the selfish pricks that think they're above this virus.

RACERX69 wrote:

Umm...I believe he was referring to people of your ilk! But then again I'm sure you knew that.

Fonzarelli wrote:

The information about hospital payments is a flat out lie, you are only repeating information that ridiculous conspiracy websites put up to trick people, you were...

The information about hospital payments is a flat out lie, you are only repeating information that ridiculous conspiracy websites put up to trick people, you were tricked and are repeating the same false info. If you looked into it you could find the truth yourself. Here are the facts:

Medicare pays hospitals flat rates for specific treatments. If you go to a hospital and get an x ray on a broken arm Medicare pays $X.00 for that service, if they have to set the bone they get paid $Y.00 and if they have to put on a cast they get paid $Z.00.

The exact same system is set up for Covid19. When a Medicare patient walks in the door and gets diagnosed with Covid19 Medicare will pay that hospital $X.00 for room for a day, $Y.00 amount for breathing treatments, $Z.00 amount to be put on a ventilator etc.etc.etc. There are no bonus payments for a Covid19 diagnosis, there are no bonus payouts because someone dies from Covid. The hospital is paid for the treatment they provide, period. You have bought into completely false propaganda.If there is a patient who doesn't have Covid19 but the hospital bills Medicare for Covid19 treatments that hospital is committing Medicare fraud, that does exist but to do that they are going to need a lab and a medical examiner to be in cahoots with them, and for what? Most people in the hospital dying are dying from cancer or heart attacks or something else that Medicare pays a hell of a lot more for treating that they do for Covid19.

The figures you quote, $13.000 and $39,000 are Medicare bill averages. The average total bill for a Covid19 patient that comes to the hospital is $13,000. The average total bill for aCovid19 patient that comes and ends up in ICU, on a ventilator and eventually dead is $39,000. That where those figures come from. They are the costs of treatment provided to people, not bonus payments for any kind of diagnosis.

EngIceDave wrote:

To add to that last post from the Fonz (aaaaayyy), if someone dies of a heart attack does have covid, that covid can/may exacerbate or accelerate...

To add to that last post from the Fonz (aaaaayyy), if someone dies of a heart attack does have covid, that covid can/may exacerbate or accelerate the heart attack due to the stress the covid puts on the respiratory system as well as the pulmonary system.

Not making a political statement here, just relaying facts.

My Dad is in the hospital right now in Miami, I have had this conversation with his doctor and on the phone with his nurses (Hospital is not allowing any visitors for any patients due to the virus)
Also my daughter just passed her RN test (and her fiance') and because they happened to finish school in the middle of all this, they got extensive, intense training on Covid and infectious disease transmission/prevention for themselves and their patients.
She did her training hours stuff in a hospital and has worked with and treated a few covid patients

Ozy wrote:

You are speaking as if the researchers, medical experts, have reached a consensus of opinion. For every trained medical doctor who says wear a mask, there...

You are speaking as if the researchers, medical experts, have reached a consensus of opinion. For every trained medical doctor who says wear a mask, there is another who disagrees. Is seems like whoever one gets their news from is the die hard opinion they adopt. Just last weekend the CDC said the death rate from the virus is so low that it's no longer classified as an "Epidemic." USA has the lowest death rate in the world. More tests have shown HCQ with zinc and the zpack will cure over 90% of people infected if taken early enough.

Why is it so difficult to comprehend there is NO consensus of opinion from the medical "experts" regarding the use of masks and social distancing.

EngIceDave wrote:

So you're saying the president is a tyrant king?

Mr. Info wrote:

Can I ask with all the deaths worldwide how does American politics come into play? Let’s move away from politics and focus on what we can...

Can I ask with all the deaths worldwide how does American politics come into play?
Let’s move away from politics and focus on what we can do to get back to a normal and enjoy racing again. It calls for unity not division.
Support you local tracks until we get normal back.

Fonzarelli wrote:

The information about hospital payments is a flat out lie, you are only repeating information that ridiculous conspiracy websites put up to trick people, you were...

The information about hospital payments is a flat out lie, you are only repeating information that ridiculous conspiracy websites put up to trick people, you were tricked and are repeating the same false info. If you looked into it you could find the truth yourself. Here are the facts:

Medicare pays hospitals flat rates for specific treatments. If you go to a hospital and get an x ray on a broken arm Medicare pays $X.00 for that service, if they have to set the bone they get paid $Y.00 and if they have to put on a cast they get paid $Z.00.

The exact same system is set up for Covid19. When a Medicare patient walks in the door and gets diagnosed with Covid19 Medicare will pay that hospital $X.00 for room for a day, $Y.00 amount for breathing treatments, $Z.00 amount to be put on a ventilator etc.etc.etc. There are no bonus payments for a Covid19 diagnosis, there are no bonus payouts because someone dies from Covid. The hospital is paid for the treatment they provide, period. You have bought into completely false propaganda.If there is a patient who doesn't have Covid19 but the hospital bills Medicare for Covid19 treatments that hospital is committing Medicare fraud, that does exist but to do that they are going to need a lab and a medical examiner to be in cahoots with them, and for what? Most people in the hospital dying are dying from cancer or heart attacks or something else that Medicare pays a hell of a lot more for treating that they do for Covid19.

The figures you quote, $13.000 and $39,000 are Medicare bill averages. The average total bill for a Covid19 patient that comes to the hospital is $13,000. The average total bill for aCovid19 patient that comes and ends up in ICU, on a ventilator and eventually dead is $39,000. That where those figures come from. They are the costs of treatment provided to people, not bonus payments for any kind of diagnosis.

TheNewOriginal wrote:

Thanks for taking time to post this. It is unbelievable that you have to explain that hospitals are not receiving a bonus when people die.

hamncheeze wrote:

Well that's the rub. To get back to normal, to have Pro Motocross start up, we the people have to take responsibility and act like decent...

Well that's the rub. To get back to normal, to have Pro Motocross start up, we the people have to take responsibility and act like decent human beings to each other to get the number of cases back to a manageable level. So the unity you speak of, it starts with people doing their part to reduce the spread of the virus, right? And those measures currently are physical distancing and wearing a mask when distancing is not possible, especially indoors. That's it. That's all any one of us needs to do. It's really not that hard.

Indian_Dunes_4ever wrote:

Speaking of echo chambers.... FFS.

EngIceDave wrote:

For anyone who says masks are useless, why have doctors been wearing them forever?

Indian_Dunes_4ever wrote:

Speaking of echo chambers.... FFS.

Indian_Dunes_4ever wrote:

Come on Steve. You cannot deny there are extremely dangerous/toxic divisions in this country and the media is throwing race-gas on them. There are extremists on...

Come on Steve. You cannot deny there are extremely dangerous/toxic divisions in this country and the media is throwing race-gas on them. There are extremists on opposing sides who are just itching for their moment.

Throw in an economic crash ( oh yes, it's coming). Boom.

KX500 wrote:

Since Pro-Choice is a thing, why doesn't that apply to wearing of face masks? One choice has about a 100% fatality rate while the other would...

Since Pro-Choice is a thing, why doesn't that apply to wearing of face masks?

One choice has about a 100% fatality rate while the other would have some incredibly small & hard to calculate fatality rate - say 0.1% (I rounded up).

Very much like saying some lives matter a lot, while other lives don't matter at all.

Bring on the down votes!

KX500 wrote:

Since Pro-Choice is a thing, why doesn't that apply to wearing of face masks? One choice has about a 100% fatality rate while the other would...

Since Pro-Choice is a thing, why doesn't that apply to wearing of face masks?

One choice has about a 100% fatality rate while the other would have some incredibly small & hard to calculate fatality rate - say 0.1% (I rounded up).

Very much like saying some lives matter a lot, while other lives don't matter at all.

Bring on the down votes!

KX500 wrote:

Since Pro-Choice is a thing, why doesn't that apply to wearing of face masks? One choice has about a 100% fatality rate while the other would...

Since Pro-Choice is a thing, why doesn't that apply to wearing of face masks?

One choice has about a 100% fatality rate while the other would have some incredibly small & hard to calculate fatality rate - say 0.1% (I rounded up).

Very much like saying some lives matter a lot, while other lives don't matter at all.

Bring on the down votes!

Fonzarelli wrote:

This thread seemed to be left alone for a couple days as information and opinions were mostly respectfully shared. But there's always that guy who has...

This thread seemed to be left alone for a couple days as information and opinions were mostly respectfully shared. But there's always that guy who has to go off the deep end and I suspect the huge clean up will now soon follow.