YZ125 2016 UK Jetting - Help!

Hi all,

I could really do with some help with this as I'm going nuts. Bike has fresh top end and all to tolerance spec. We're running 98 RON non-ethanol fuel with 1:32 Maxima 927. I've done a leakdown and all looks fine and have completely checked the carb over. Bike is stock OEM and we are at 200m altitude and today we were 60% humidity and 19 degrees C.

Let me state I'm a rooky when it comes to jetting 2 stroke motorcycles and I've done loads of research but am terrified of cocking something up, leaning it out and causing the obvious..

We started with the bile jetted to the OEM Europe spec as follows;

Main 430
Pilot 45
A/S 2.25
Needle 6BFY43-74 in 3rd clip

Main jet seems fine @ WOT and a plug chop looks ok. The problem I'm having is the low to mid throttle response; the bike is sounds/feels way rich as you crack throttle from closed to 1/8 and then slowly cleans as more throttle is applied. Still feels rich all the way up until we're at 3/4 - WOT.

We wound out the A/S to see if we could get to the point where the revs pick up @ idle but with the 45 pilot is seems to make little difference. Tried the same with a 42.5 today but again even wound out to 3 turns it burbles and transitions poorly off the throttle. Seems to get better however with a leaner pilot.

I noticed that the US spec for the bike has a 40 pilot specified @ 2.25 A/S and looking at the Pro Circuit charts for OEM settings they're suggesting 40 @ 2.5 A/S with clip @ 4. Do we really need a 45 in Europe - seems like a massive difference?

Any ideas on the best way forward as I'm happy to mess but don't want to sieze the thing..

Thanks,

Si


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deccr250
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6/27/2020 11:10am Edited Date/Time 6/27/2020 11:24am
PC recommended jetting is fine to use in the UK, it’s a safe base to start from.
Is your bike completely stock?

Low end throttle bogging is your pilot jet, if it’s too lean it’ll cause poor throttle response and bogging when snapping the throttle.

Wind the air screw all the way in, count how many turns it takes to bottom the screw out...wind the air screw out 2 turns, start the bike on the stand and test the new jetting.

If still no change then turn the air screw in 1/2 turn at a time and test after each half turn.

If winding the air screw in improves the issue slightly but not completely, then try going up a couple of sizes on your pilot jet...let me know how you get on
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6/27/2020 11:30am
45 pilot will be rich for sure. Poke at it and try altering each circuit individually.

Start with the pilot circuit. Keep going down on the pilot keeping the air screw at 2 turns out until you get a "buwaaaaaap" when you stab the throttle". Then bump back up one pilot jet size. The "buwaaaap" means your too lean on the pilot. Don't worry, piston speeds aren't fast enough to cause a seizure while jetting the low end range. Hell, even wide open throttle on the stand with a super lean main jet won't cause a seizure. There is not enough load to get the exhaust gas temps up to seize it. Ride the bike with the pilot circuit "in the ball park" and evaluate throttle response.

Next, move onto the needle clip position. This is the most difficult. Chances are, changing the pilot circuit (leaning it out) will help, but the jetting will still need some improvement. With the bike on the stand, warm it up and slowly rev it taking note to how smooth the acceleration is. Fluffy and chunky sounding means too rich. Thin and dull sounding means lean. Too lean will also result in surging (engine speed increases and falls while holding steady throttle). Drop the needle on clip position (raise needle clip) to second position. Warm bike up and listen. Your goal is to get the engine RPM to match throttle I put in a smooth, seamless manner. I'd bet the second clip on the needle will be better. Experiment around with the option needle Yamaha gives you. I believe it's a half clip richer.

Main jet is pretty easy. Hold it wide open and get a good "clean sounding" rev until it hits max rpm. Too rich and it will never reach full rpm and cough/stumble. Too lean and it will basically shut off and cut out. A 420 main is probably a good starting point. It would take and act of God to seize a bike on the stand. Experiment on the stand to see what carb circuit does what and experience what "lean" sounds like and what rich sounds like. Spend an afternoon playing with it and riding it (short sessions) and evaluate. You can learn a ton. A properly jetted bike makes the throttle feel electric. The engine rpm matches throttle grip input exactly. Good luck! It sounds like you're 2 pilot sizes too rich and about a full clip too rich on the needle.
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6/27/2020 12:12pm
Direct YZ125 info:

Get the optional needle 6BFY42-74, start at clip 3.

Put in the 42.5 pilot and a 410 main.

You will be much closer to where you should be. You may need to go back to 420 or 430 for winter.
6/27/2020 2:32pm
Thanks all... appreciate you taking the time to reply.

We'll get it on the stand tomorrow and start having a play... I'll feed back results.

Si

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6/29/2020 5:22am
Hi,

Managed to get some time on the stand today and we've ended up with a 40 pilot at 2.25. Throttle response is clean now up to 1/8th and all of the lumpyness has gone and we're getting a solid idle; doesn't miss a beat!

Opening the throttle further without load seems pretty clean but I reckon it may be slightly rich so I've ordered a 6BFY42-74 so that we can adjust in half clip steps.

Won't get to the track until Saturday so can't do any load testing until then but we appear to be definately moving in the right direction.

Thanks very much for the pointers and I'll post again once we've had some track time and a further play.

Si

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