Where Does Kenny Go From Here?

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ehr400 6/8/2020 5:41am
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Funny, he had no problems breathing at Colorado last year winning the OA. Something with KR is he always has some kind of excuse, go back...
Funny, he had no problems breathing at Colorado last year winning the OA. Something with KR is he always has some kind of excuse, go back to his 250 days, had a tummy ache etc. Rarely admits he got his ass kicked. Now he has mental asthma? Cmon.
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So he just forgot how to ride halfway through the main last week?
Always has a excuse. Just Say you blew your load trying to go mach 12 and pull away from Eli, and probably pumped up and dropped. Happens to Eli, he admits it. Bagget admits it.
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ehr400 wrote:
Funny, he had no problems breathing at Colorado last year winning the OA. Something with KR is he always has some kind of excuse, go back...
Funny, he had no problems breathing at Colorado last year winning the OA. Something with KR is he always has some kind of excuse, go back to his 250 days, had a tummy ache etc. Rarely admits he got his ass kicked. Now he has mental asthma? Cmon.
RG1 wrote:
So he just forgot how to ride halfway through the main last week?
ehr400 wrote:
Always has a excuse. Just Say you blew your load trying to go mach 12 and pull away from Eli, and probably pumped up and dropped...
Always has a excuse. Just Say you blew your load trying to go mach 12 and pull away from Eli, and probably pumped up and dropped. Happens to Eli, he admits it. Bagget admits it.
He did tell you......process it however you want to process it. As for the rest of us we don’t think he is lying.....get it?
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kpiper wrote:
Remember, Ken pretty much did this last year too. Now, I realize all the big Kenny fans won't like this comment but this forum is bench...
Remember, Ken pretty much did this last year too.

Now, I realize all the big Kenny fans won't like this comment but this forum is bench racing right...

I think the problem may very well be his near huge crash at the end of the first Utah race.
Unfortunately, I have to agree. I can see it being a breathing issue after ten laps or so but, the disparity in speed / lap time has me thinking it's mental.
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It could be that the altitude has nothing to do with it, but I'm not buying it.

I am a Roczen fan, but it seems to me the list of conditions his body can't handle includes A) repeated races at altitude and Cool Summer heat & humidity.

Unless (Cool had changed, he has 0% chance of winning an outdoor title. Harsh, I know, but just reality.

Supercross doesn't normally involve A or B above.

Best case scenario for KR would be try MX. If he is healed from (Cool , race full MX season. If (Cool effects his results, call it a season, take proper time off to recover & get ready for SX - a title he absolutely can win.

I really believe these final 7 races would be entirely different for KR if they were taking place at an altitude he is more used to.

And I know, Honda pays him to be out there, so short of an injury, he'll be out there all summer, with good results here & there - like last year.

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kkawboy14 6/8/2020 5:49am
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kpiper wrote:
Remember, Ken pretty much did this last year too. Now, I realize all the big Kenny fans won't like this comment but this forum is bench...
Remember, Ken pretty much did this last year too.

Now, I realize all the big Kenny fans won't like this comment but this forum is bench racing right...

I think the problem may very well be his near huge crash at the end of the first Utah race.
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Unfortunately, I have to agree. I can see it being a breathing issue after ten laps or so but, the disparity in speed / lap time...
Unfortunately, I have to agree. I can see it being a breathing issue after ten laps or so but, the disparity in speed / lap time has me thinking it's mental.
It’s both! When you can’t get oxygen to your brain.....it blows up too!

But which came first? The lack of oxygen or the mental breakdown? Roczen gave us the answer.
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RG1 wrote:
So he just forgot how to ride halfway through the main last week?
ehr400 wrote:
Always has a excuse. Just Say you blew your load trying to go mach 12 and pull away from Eli, and probably pumped up and dropped...
Always has a excuse. Just Say you blew your load trying to go mach 12 and pull away from Eli, and probably pumped up and dropped. Happens to Eli, he admits it. Bagget admits it.
kkawboy14 wrote:
He did tell you......process it however you want to process it. As for the rest of us we don’t think he is lying.....get it?
Just give me a heads up to what excuse we will go with for upcoming races. So now all of a sudden altitude issues, yeah ok. I missed that comment last summer in Colorado.... get it?
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ehr400 wrote:
Funny, he had no problems breathing at Colorado last year winning the OA. Something with KR is he always has some kind of excuse, go back...
Funny, he had no problems breathing at Colorado last year winning the OA. Something with KR is he always has some kind of excuse, go back to his 250 days, had a tummy ache etc. Rarely admits he got his ass kicked. Now he has mental asthma? Cmon.
RG1 wrote:
So he just forgot how to ride halfway through the main last week?
ehr400 wrote:
Always has a excuse. Just Say you blew your load trying to go mach 12 and pull away from Eli, and probably pumped up and dropped...
Always has a excuse. Just Say you blew your load trying to go mach 12 and pull away from Eli, and probably pumped up and dropped. Happens to Eli, he admits it. Bagget admits it.
He told everyone what is happening and why but you don’t want to listen. It’s staggering to me that you refuse to believe Kenny is saying, despite what’s happening on track supporting what he’s saying completely, yet have no trouble believing that the second best rider in the series suddenly became completely average overnight and there’s absolutely nothing wrong with him
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ehr400 wrote:
Always has a excuse. Just Say you blew your load trying to go mach 12 and pull away from Eli, and probably pumped up and dropped...
Always has a excuse. Just Say you blew your load trying to go mach 12 and pull away from Eli, and probably pumped up and dropped. Happens to Eli, he admits it. Bagget admits it.
kkawboy14 wrote:
He did tell you......process it however you want to process it. As for the rest of us we don’t think he is lying.....get it?
ehr400 wrote:
Just give me a heads up to what excuse we will go with for upcoming races. So now all of a sudden altitude issues, yeah ok...
Just give me a heads up to what excuse we will go with for upcoming races. So now all of a sudden altitude issues, yeah ok. I missed that comment last summer in Colorado.... get it?
That argument is nonsense. Anderson has had terrible trouble with racing at altitude in the past, despite growing up and living at altitude, now he’s doing fine in SLC. Just because you haven’t had issues with it before doesn’t mean you never will, and vice versa
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ehr400 wrote:
Always has a excuse. Just Say you blew your load trying to go mach 12 and pull away from Eli, and probably pumped up and dropped...
Always has a excuse. Just Say you blew your load trying to go mach 12 and pull away from Eli, and probably pumped up and dropped. Happens to Eli, he admits it. Bagget admits it.
kkawboy14 wrote:
He did tell you......process it however you want to process it. As for the rest of us we don’t think he is lying.....get it?
ehr400 wrote:
Just give me a heads up to what excuse we will go with for upcoming races. So now all of a sudden altitude issues, yeah ok...
Just give me a heads up to what excuse we will go with for upcoming races. So now all of a sudden altitude issues, yeah ok. I missed that comment last summer in Colorado.... get it?
He didn’t say altitude was the problem, he said asthma issues. Seems like everyone I know including myself has been sick since December and has some breathing issues. It isn’t to much of a stretch for me to believe he had a respiratory issue last November that is affecting him now......especially now that he’s in the mountains.
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RG1 wrote:
So he just forgot how to ride halfway through the main last week?
ehr400 wrote:
Always has a excuse. Just Say you blew your load trying to go mach 12 and pull away from Eli, and probably pumped up and dropped...
Always has a excuse. Just Say you blew your load trying to go mach 12 and pull away from Eli, and probably pumped up and dropped. Happens to Eli, he admits it. Bagget admits it.
RG1 wrote:
He told everyone what is happening and why but you don’t want to listen. It’s staggering to me that you refuse to believe Kenny is saying...
He told everyone what is happening and why but you don’t want to listen. It’s staggering to me that you refuse to believe Kenny is saying, despite what’s happening on track supporting what he’s saying completely, yet have no trouble believing that the second best rider in the series suddenly became completely average overnight and there’s absolutely nothing wrong with him
There's something wrong alright. He saw his buddy get crippled. He very nearly takes another big digger and, now he's gonna be a dad. He's a bad dude to have come back from where he's been. Full respect. Super human. But everybody has a tipping point. Obviously, a professional athlete is rarely going to admit that he's spooked. It happens though. And, he may overcome it. I hope so. He seems a likeable guy. No shame if he can't though. jmo
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ehr400 wrote:
Always has a excuse. Just Say you blew your load trying to go mach 12 and pull away from Eli, and probably pumped up and dropped...
Always has a excuse. Just Say you blew your load trying to go mach 12 and pull away from Eli, and probably pumped up and dropped. Happens to Eli, he admits it. Bagget admits it.
RG1 wrote:
He told everyone what is happening and why but you don’t want to listen. It’s staggering to me that you refuse to believe Kenny is saying...
He told everyone what is happening and why but you don’t want to listen. It’s staggering to me that you refuse to believe Kenny is saying, despite what’s happening on track supporting what he’s saying completely, yet have no trouble believing that the second best rider in the series suddenly became completely average overnight and there’s absolutely nothing wrong with him
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There's something wrong alright. He saw his buddy get crippled. He very nearly takes another big digger and, now he's gonna be a dad. He's a...
There's something wrong alright. He saw his buddy get crippled. He very nearly takes another big digger and, now he's gonna be a dad. He's a bad dude to have come back from where he's been. Full respect. Super human. But everybody has a tipping point. Obviously, a professional athlete is rarely going to admit that he's spooked. It happens though. And, he may overcome it. I hope so. He seems a likeable guy. No shame if he can't though. jmo
There’s mental baggage there for sure, it’s almost impossible for there not to be given everything that’s happened. But I don’t think that’s the only issue, he had all that on his mind before the season started and he was only 3 points off the championship lead until 3 races ago
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It was a interesting Championship up to now. I predict Tomac bringing it home. I hope Kenny has enough fight in him to hold off Cooper for 2nd in the point standings. Salt Lake City is killing his title hopes.
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kkawboy14 wrote:
He did tell you......process it however you want to process it. As for the rest of us we don’t think he is lying.....get it?
ehr400 wrote:
Just give me a heads up to what excuse we will go with for upcoming races. So now all of a sudden altitude issues, yeah ok...
Just give me a heads up to what excuse we will go with for upcoming races. So now all of a sudden altitude issues, yeah ok. I missed that comment last summer in Colorado.... get it?
kkawboy14 wrote:
He didn’t say altitude was the problem, he said asthma issues. Seems like everyone I know including myself has been sick since December and has some...
He didn’t say altitude was the problem, he said asthma issues. Seems like everyone I know including myself has been sick since December and has some breathing issues. It isn’t to much of a stretch for me to believe he had a respiratory issue last November that is affecting him now......especially now that he’s in the mountains.
If he has been sick since December he sure as hell had a great season until the break.

He has even won heat races and been fastest qualifying.

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There’s no doubt Kenny hasn’t quite looked himself the last few races, but to put it in perspective, he’s still 2nd in points. He earned my respect coming back from the serious injuries in the first place; I think he has very strong mental toughness. Unfortunately, having a family member that went through some serious medical conditions like his, your body struggles periodically from all of the meds, nerve pain, etc... I do believe it’s very likely he has something else medically going on.
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I’m no altitude sickness expert but I did grow up in a town at almost 8800ft elevation. Is the 4600ft at the stadium that big of of a deal or just conveniently being hyped? I mean it’s not even as high as the highest point in Nebraska, and not even close to the highest in North Carolina. We’re not talking super high elevation here.
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luckyli it takes less then 8min to make a baby in December where he was so sick Woohoo
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Did he ever get a COVID test? he should...and if positive alert industry as contact tracing is the key to this.
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/\ no thanks to the contact tracing.

I appreciate KR's willingness to share whats going on with himself. It does seem like people complain about athletes not sharing more and then when they do they call BS on it. I think Honda should stick with him. He's still 2nd in the championship and has the potential to get more wins and compete for championships next year.

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Ken's injuries are the most overhyped in the history of MX. Probably because of social media and that everyone sees a replay of his crashes over and over.

Yes, he got hurt...but it was his arms. Not blows to the head or the body like others have had. Canard's big injury was much worse. Someone landed on his head and neck!

There have been many riders hurt as bad or worse than Kenny. Notice Ken does not use those prior injuries as an issue.

Just the fans keep bringing it up...over and over and over...forever.
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mxdevon wrote:
I’m no altitude sickness expert but I did grow up in a town at almost 8800ft elevation. Is the 4600ft at the stadium that big of...
I’m no altitude sickness expert but I did grow up in a town at almost 8800ft elevation. Is the 4600ft at the stadium that big of of a deal or just conveniently being hyped? I mean it’s not even as high as the highest point in Nebraska, and not even close to the highest in North Carolina. We’re not talking super high elevation here.
Can't remember exactly but I think every 1000ft in elevation is 10% reduction in oxygen so it's substanstial
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The chances for a SX championship this season for Roczen appear to be over. With the current established talent pool and the up and comers, I doubt he will ever get a SX title. I'm wondering how this will effect his riding this year during the Nationals.
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mxdevon wrote:
I’m no altitude sickness expert but I did grow up in a town at almost 8800ft elevation. Is the 4600ft at the stadium that big of...
I’m no altitude sickness expert but I did grow up in a town at almost 8800ft elevation. Is the 4600ft at the stadium that big of of a deal or just conveniently being hyped? I mean it’s not even as high as the highest point in Nebraska, and not even close to the highest in North Carolina. We’re not talking super high elevation here.
Same here. I was born at sea level. Now living in a city at 7005 ft and I can go running for an hour at Heart rate zone 4. SLC altitude is being overhyped.
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soggy wrote:
Can't remember exactly but I think every 1000ft in elevation is 10% reduction in oxygen so it's substanstial
Reduction in air pressure is what causes the issue not percentage of O2. The atmosphere percentage of O2 stays the same at all altitudes at 20.9%.

Lower air pressure (less total air) makes it feel like less O2 to your body.

If it is the altitude bothering Kenny you would have seen that at race one right? He did really well at that race with just a little fading at the end.

You would think he would have acclimated to it by now and he has never shown signs of this being a problem in the past...like when he won last year at Thunder Valley.

SLC is not that high. Most people have trouble above 6000'.
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Stays the same? Relative to what? Definitely not relative to volume.
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soggy wrote:
Can't remember exactly but I think every 1000ft in elevation is 10% reduction in oxygen so it's substanstial
kpiper wrote:
Reduction in air pressure is what causes the issue not percentage of O2. The atmosphere percentage of O2 stays the same at all altitudes at 20.9%...
Reduction in air pressure is what causes the issue not percentage of O2. The atmosphere percentage of O2 stays the same at all altitudes at 20.9%.

Lower air pressure (less total air) makes it feel like less O2 to your body.

If it is the altitude bothering Kenny you would have seen that at race one right? He did really well at that race with just a little fading at the end.

You would think he would have acclimated to it by now and he has never shown signs of this being a problem in the past...like when he won last year at Thunder Valley.

SLC is not that high. Most people have trouble above 6000'.
I think what we are all ignoring here is that Kenny says he has a pulmonary/asthma issue. The altitude is likely just compounding his breathing issue not the cause of it.
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soggy wrote:
Can't remember exactly but I think every 1000ft in elevation is 10% reduction in oxygen so it's substanstial
kpiper wrote:
Reduction in air pressure is what causes the issue not percentage of O2. The atmosphere percentage of O2 stays the same at all altitudes at 20.9%...
Reduction in air pressure is what causes the issue not percentage of O2. The atmosphere percentage of O2 stays the same at all altitudes at 20.9%.

Lower air pressure (less total air) makes it feel like less O2 to your body.

If it is the altitude bothering Kenny you would have seen that at race one right? He did really well at that race with just a little fading at the end.

You would think he would have acclimated to it by now and he has never shown signs of this being a problem in the past...like when he won last year at Thunder Valley.

SLC is not that high. Most people have trouble above 6000'.
Uh ohh.....10% loss of oxygen per 1,000 feet! I feel sorry for those poor folks who live above 10,000ft elevation. Must be a actual ghost town up there in Leadville Colorado. 😜
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He needs a sports psychologist
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It seems to me that KR needs normal rest between races.

Add in the elevation and now he probably needs a bit more than normal rest until he is fully acclimated to the altitude.

The current schedule by itself was likely going to be a problem for him. Add in way less rest than what he appears to need and here are the results.

I think any of us can acclimate to a higher altitude, but KR didn't get this fully accomplished prior to the races restarting and his body won't allow him to acclimate with short rest between events.

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