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Well this wasn’t meant to be presented at a conference, but I appreciate you focusing on the important typos.
Chance1216 wrote:
Well, looks like you forgot a comma. 😉
Shit. I’ll be sending all my future comments through the English department. Have to make sure they’re at the level vital grammar nazis require.
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Well this wasn’t meant to be presented at a conference, but I appreciate you focusing on the important typos.
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Well, looks like you forgot a comma. 😉
Shit. I’ll be sending all my future comments through the English department. Have to make sure they’re at the level vital grammar nazis require.
We all get shit about grammar and punctuation. Myself included. Smile n wave.
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So let me recap here. Wear PPE. Wash your hands.



Got it! Carry on hystericals!
Georgie, since I believe you are the "go to" medical dude on this board, what is your take on this whole deal ? I've talked to some of my Doctor buddies here in western Pa. and they really seem divided on the issue, between "over reacting" and " not doing enough" . Is there that much confusion and overall lack of definitive knowledge over this virus ??
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3/12/2020 9:57am
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Epstein and Weinstein are 2 different guys. Not to mention the former is dead.
I don't think Harvey will last long either knowing how rapists and child molesters are regarded in prison.

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Epstein and Weinstein are 2 different guys. Not to mention the former is dead.
I don't think Harvey will last long either knowing how rapists and child molesters are regarded in prison.
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Pretty pathetic isn't it.

Tom Hanks and wife have Corona Virus and are barely sick....



scott_nz wrote:
China Italy and now the USA on lock down, i think its a bit more serious than just he flu, its more deadly, and transmits faster...
China Italy and now the USA on lock down,

i think its a bit more serious than just he flu, its more deadly, and transmits faster,

the Spanish flu killed 50 million in 1918, 2.7% of the worlds population, was that just the flu as well?
KennyT wrote:
That is true about the Spanish flu. No way they would happen in todays world with the advanced medicine and communication available. Of course there are...
That is true about the Spanish flu. No way they would happen in todays world with the advanced medicine and communication available. Of course there are millions of people who prefer to believe in the worst case scenario. Fear is worse than any virus
I agree to a point.
But the one thing that doesn’t help pandemics in the modern world is the ease of travel.
Viruses can spread through the world much quicker now. On top of that our supply chains are much more complicated and global now.
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-MAVERICK- wrote:
Epstein and Weinstein are 2 different guys. Not to mention the former is dead.
I don't think Harvey will last long either knowing how rapists and child molesters are regarded in prison.
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I hope another inmate takes his fake walker and beats him to death with it.
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I don't think Harvey will last long either knowing how rapists and child molesters are regarded in prison.
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Sully wrote:
I hope another inmate takes his fake walker and beats him to death with it.
He's a POS, but death is too easy.

I know one thing, I sure as hell wouldn't want to be in his shoes. Sooner or later he'll be alone and it won't be pretty.
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Sully wrote:
I hope another inmate takes his fake walker and beats him to death with it.
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He's a POS, but death is too easy. I know one thing, I sure as hell wouldn't want to be in his shoes. Sooner or later...
He's a POS, but death is too easy.

I know one thing, I sure as hell wouldn't want to be in his shoes. Sooner or later he'll be alone and it won't be pretty.

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LOL. Posted it on page 1.
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LOL. Posted it on page 1.



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3/12/2020 8:17pm Edited Date/Time 3/12/2020 8:18pm
scott_nz wrote:
China Italy and now the USA on lock down, i think its a bit more serious than just he flu, its more deadly, and transmits faster...
China Italy and now the USA on lock down,

i think its a bit more serious than just he flu, its more deadly, and transmits faster,

the Spanish flu killed 50 million in 1918, 2.7% of the worlds population, was that just the flu as well?
KennyT wrote:
That is true about the Spanish flu. No way they would happen in todays world with the advanced medicine and communication available. Of course there are...
That is true about the Spanish flu. No way they would happen in todays world with the advanced medicine and communication available. Of course there are millions of people who prefer to believe in the worst case scenario. Fear is worse than any virus
CM_84 wrote:
I agree to a point. But the one thing that doesn’t help pandemics in the modern world is the ease of travel. Viruses can spread through...
I agree to a point.
But the one thing that doesn’t help pandemics in the modern world is the ease of travel.
Viruses can spread through the world much quicker now. On top of that our supply chains are much more complicated and global now.
So it would seem the travel ban could be a very effective aid in slowing things down,
lets hope so
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KennyT wrote:
That is true about the Spanish flu. No way they would happen in todays world with the advanced medicine and communication available. Of course there are...
That is true about the Spanish flu. No way they would happen in todays world with the advanced medicine and communication available. Of course there are millions of people who prefer to believe in the worst case scenario. Fear is worse than any virus
CM_84 wrote:
I agree to a point. But the one thing that doesn’t help pandemics in the modern world is the ease of travel. Viruses can spread through...
I agree to a point.
But the one thing that doesn’t help pandemics in the modern world is the ease of travel.
Viruses can spread through the world much quicker now. On top of that our supply chains are much more complicated and global now.
KennyT wrote:
So it would seem the travel ban could be a very effective aid in slowing things down,
lets hope so
Agree, and it should slow things considerably, but not stop it. It is now on every continent.
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Maybe the preppers wern't so crazy after all.
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I am an ER physician and I feel that this whole thing has been blown way out of proportion. It's a cold virus that we have not been exposed to yet. You'll get a little more sick than with a normal cold due to your immune response, but it's not going to kill you...yes, those who are immunosuppressed are at a higher risk of getting serious sequelae (the same for any other infectious process), but the vast majority of us really have nothing to worry about. We are ALL going to get exposed to this at some point, so going through all this nationwide sequestration is dumb. To be honest, it appears to be politically motivated.
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davbrucas wrote:
I am an ER physician and I feel that this whole thing has been blown way out of proportion. It's a cold virus that we have...
I am an ER physician and I feel that this whole thing has been blown way out of proportion. It's a cold virus that we have not been exposed to yet. You'll get a little more sick than with a normal cold due to your immune response, but it's not going to kill you...yes, those who are immunosuppressed are at a higher risk of getting serious sequelae (the same for any other infectious process), but the vast majority of us really have nothing to worry about. We are ALL going to get exposed to this at some point, so going through all this nationwide sequestration is dumb. To be honest, it appears to be politically motivated.
Not gonna argue here, but this was exact Italy approach at the beggining.Now they are in trouble. Hospital capacity is not up to par. Only people in critical condition get hospitalized. But I hope you`re right and Italy will not be norm. Perhaps people in USA has different imune system.
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davbrucas wrote:
I am an ER physician and I feel that this whole thing has been blown way out of proportion. It's a cold virus that we have...
I am an ER physician and I feel that this whole thing has been blown way out of proportion. It's a cold virus that we have not been exposed to yet. You'll get a little more sick than with a normal cold due to your immune response, but it's not going to kill you...yes, those who are immunosuppressed are at a higher risk of getting serious sequelae (the same for any other infectious process), but the vast majority of us really have nothing to worry about. We are ALL going to get exposed to this at some point, so going through all this nationwide sequestration is dumb. To be honest, it appears to be politically motivated.
Watch out Bro.. the nannas in here read lots of stuff. Paranoid they are! Or they might be 89 year old MX’ers with diabetes!!!
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davbrucas wrote:
I am an ER physician and I feel that this whole thing has been blown way out of proportion. It's a cold virus that we have...
I am an ER physician and I feel that this whole thing has been blown way out of proportion. It's a cold virus that we have not been exposed to yet. You'll get a little more sick than with a normal cold due to your immune response, but it's not going to kill you...yes, those who are immunosuppressed are at a higher risk of getting serious sequelae (the same for any other infectious process), but the vast majority of us really have nothing to worry about. We are ALL going to get exposed to this at some point, so going through all this nationwide sequestration is dumb. To be honest, it appears to be politically motivated.
I value your opinion, as you no doubt have forgotten more about medical conditions than I will ever know.

However when you look at what it’s doing to Italian hospitals, and when you listen to infectious disease experts, in my opinion it seems a bit more serious that what your are saying.

But regardless, we will see I guess.

However the one thing I strongly disagree with is that this is politically motivated, the simple fact that the response has been pretty much the same from almost every government the world over as the populations start to get infected, too much of a coincidence for me to think it’s politically motivated.

As I said in another thread, I hope it does turn out to be a beat up. and time will tell, not a vital thread.
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davbrucas wrote:
I am an ER physician and I feel that this whole thing has been blown way out of proportion. It's a cold virus that we have...
I am an ER physician and I feel that this whole thing has been blown way out of proportion. It's a cold virus that we have not been exposed to yet. You'll get a little more sick than with a normal cold due to your immune response, but it's not going to kill you...yes, those who are immunosuppressed are at a higher risk of getting serious sequelae (the same for any other infectious process), but the vast majority of us really have nothing to worry about. We are ALL going to get exposed to this at some point, so going through all this nationwide sequestration is dumb. To be honest, it appears to be politically motivated.
You should have just claimed to have been the Surgeon General. You jumped the shark when you claimed "it's not going to kill you" despite the fact that it has killed people.

If you work in an ER, then you probably have a pretty good idea on stabilizing people. Actually treatment for diseases and Epidemiology aren't quite the same things as practiced in the ER, obviously.
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Has anybody done any real research into how such an insanely contagious and dangerous virus was released into the public? Bats?
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davbrucas wrote:
I am an ER physician and I feel that this whole thing has been blown way out of proportion. It's a cold virus that we have...
I am an ER physician and I feel that this whole thing has been blown way out of proportion. It's a cold virus that we have not been exposed to yet. You'll get a little more sick than with a normal cold due to your immune response, but it's not going to kill you...yes, those who are immunosuppressed are at a higher risk of getting serious sequelae (the same for any other infectious process), but the vast majority of us really have nothing to worry about. We are ALL going to get exposed to this at some point, so going through all this nationwide sequestration is dumb. To be honest, it appears to be politically motivated.
CM_84 wrote:
I value your opinion, as you no doubt have forgotten more about medical conditions than I will ever know. However when you look at what it’s...
I value your opinion, as you no doubt have forgotten more about medical conditions than I will ever know.

However when you look at what it’s doing to Italian hospitals, and when you listen to infectious disease experts, in my opinion it seems a bit more serious that what your are saying.

But regardless, we will see I guess.

However the one thing I strongly disagree with is that this is politically motivated, the simple fact that the response has been pretty much the same from almost every government the world over as the populations start to get infected, too much of a coincidence for me to think it’s politically motivated.

As I said in another thread, I hope it does turn out to be a beat up. and time will tell, not a vital thread.
You've got to keep in mine the median age in Italy...its among the oldest populations in the world. And the Elderly are one of the at risk demographics...so it would make sense that they'd have more hospitalizations and more deaths than countries with younger populations.
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You've got to keep in mine the median age in Italy...its among the oldest populations in the world. And the Elderly are one of the at...
You've got to keep in mine the median age in Italy...its among the oldest populations in the world. And the Elderly are one of the at risk demographics...so it would make sense that they'd have more hospitalizations and more deaths than countries with younger populations.
Very true, but I still think this will stretch hospitals to the absolute limit the world over
Again, I really hope I am wrong
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You've got to keep in mine the median age in Italy...its among the oldest populations in the world. And the Elderly are one of the at...
You've got to keep in mine the median age in Italy...its among the oldest populations in the world. And the Elderly are one of the at risk demographics...so it would make sense that they'd have more hospitalizations and more deaths than countries with younger populations.
CM_84 wrote:
Very true, but I still think this will stretch hospitals to the absolute limit the world over
Again, I really hope I am wrong
Ill tell you whatll stretch hospitals. Stupid Chunts going to one with sore throats and runny noses.
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You've got to keep in mine the median age in Italy...its among the oldest populations in the world. And the Elderly are one of the at...
You've got to keep in mine the median age in Italy...its among the oldest populations in the world. And the Elderly are one of the at risk demographics...so it would make sense that they'd have more hospitalizations and more deaths than countries with younger populations.
CM_84 wrote:
Very true, but I still think this will stretch hospitals to the absolute limit the world over
Again, I really hope I am wrong
That is the concern of governments around the world...and that's why they are acting now to "flatten the curve"...hoping to keep in low enough to not exceed healthcare capacities.

Here in Utah...schools, colleges, church any gatherings over 100 people, even my desert race next weekend, all cancelled. In hopes to prevent the rapid spread of the disease in an attempt to prevent the spike that was seen in Italy.

I hope it works...

Seattle is at capacity in their hospitals...Italy is beyond capacity.



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Ill tell you whatll stretch hospitals. Stupid Chunts going to one with sore throats and runny noses.
Which is why you shouldn't have to go to the hospital to get tested. It can be done with a simple mouth swab
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davbrucas wrote:
I am an ER physician and I feel that this whole thing has been blown way out of proportion. It's a cold virus that we have...
I am an ER physician and I feel that this whole thing has been blown way out of proportion. It's a cold virus that we have not been exposed to yet. You'll get a little more sick than with a normal cold due to your immune response, but it's not going to kill you...yes, those who are immunosuppressed are at a higher risk of getting serious sequelae (the same for any other infectious process), but the vast majority of us really have nothing to worry about. We are ALL going to get exposed to this at some point, so going through all this nationwide sequestration is dumb. To be honest, it appears to be politically motivated.
Politically motivated throughout essentially the entire world Unsure

I would think a physician would have more common sense than that.
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davbrucas wrote:
I am an ER physician and I feel that this whole thing has been blown way out of proportion. It's a cold virus that we have...
I am an ER physician and I feel that this whole thing has been blown way out of proportion. It's a cold virus that we have not been exposed to yet. You'll get a little more sick than with a normal cold due to your immune response, but it's not going to kill you...yes, those who are immunosuppressed are at a higher risk of getting serious sequelae (the same for any other infectious process), but the vast majority of us really have nothing to worry about. We are ALL going to get exposed to this at some point, so going through all this nationwide sequestration is dumb. To be honest, it appears to be politically motivated.
agn5009 wrote:
Politically motivated throughout essentially the entire world Unsure

I would think a physician would have more common sense than that.
I know very little about the WHO (World Heath Organization), uther than that it does report to the United Nations. Is it possible that the United Nations or its subordinate (WHO) could be politically motivated?
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Ill tell you whatll stretch hospitals. Stupid Chunts going to one with sore throats and runny noses.
I agree, so people should be responsible.

But there are legitimate problems with people in Italy actually turning up an not getting the help they need. Is it really going to be much different in the US? I hope so, but I also doubt it.

Look after your loved ones folks.
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davbrucas wrote:
I am an ER physician and I feel that this whole thing has been blown way out of proportion. It's a cold virus that we have...
I am an ER physician and I feel that this whole thing has been blown way out of proportion. It's a cold virus that we have not been exposed to yet. You'll get a little more sick than with a normal cold due to your immune response, but it's not going to kill you...yes, those who are immunosuppressed are at a higher risk of getting serious sequelae (the same for any other infectious process), but the vast majority of us really have nothing to worry about. We are ALL going to get exposed to this at some point, so going through all this nationwide sequestration is dumb. To be honest, it appears to be politically motivated.
agn5009 wrote:
Politically motivated throughout essentially the entire world Unsure

I would think a physician would have more common sense than that.
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I know very little about the WHO (World Heath Organization), uther than that it does report to the United Nations. Is it possible that the United...
I know very little about the WHO (World Heath Organization), uther than that it does report to the United Nations. Is it possible that the United Nations or its subordinate (WHO) could be politically motivated?
Let’s start with spelling ‘other’ correctly.

After that, no it’s not politically motivated, the response is similar the world over. Go to Europe and try to tell them that this is just political.
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Ill tell you whatll stretch hospitals. Stupid Chunts going to one with sore throats and runny noses.
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Which is why you shouldn't have to go to the hospital to get tested. It can be done with a simple mouth swab
Our local health center agrees with you, although it is actually a nasal swab...….
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https://www.wenatcheeworld.com/news/coronavirus/drive-through-coronavir…


Drive-through coronavirus testing coming to Wenatchee
By Reilly Kneedler
World staff writer Mar 13, 2020


WENATCHEE — The availability of coronavirus testing in the Wenatchee Valley is expected to increase dramatically starting Saturday. Confluence Health is launching a drive-through testing operation that will allow people to receive nasal swabs without leaving their cars. The organization is also lowering its symptom threshold for testing, which will expand who is eligible. The goal of expanded testing is to track the outbreak as it develops across the region, said Jason Lake, Confluence Health’s chief medical officer-elect.

“We haven’t seen in North Central Washington the community spread of this virus like they have in other parts of the state or the country,” he said. “We want to stay ahead of that curve so we get an accurate sense of when the virus hits our community and how it starts spreading.”

Confluence Health had tested 55 people for coronavirus as of Friday, with 30 negative results and 24 still pending. They’ve had one positive test, a Quincy resident who has since passed away. The Grant County Health District on Friday confirmed a second case in Quincy. That man is not showing severe signs of illness, the district said in a news release.

The drive-through is expected to collect samples from people who have symptoms consistent with COVID-19, primarily fever and cough, but aren’t over the age of 65 or who have other serious medical issues, Lake said. Those sensitive groups will instead be referred to the Central Washington Hospital triage tent for treatment.

People who want to be tested for the virus will still need to call Confluence Health’s triage hotline, (509) 663-8711, before coming to the drive-through. Some patients will also be referred from the organization’s physicians.

“This will not be a location where patients can show up on their own and get tested. They have to come in through one of those avenues,” Lake said. “They have to be triaged by someone in our system in order to be tested.”

The triage team will give people who meet the new lower testing criteria an appointment time for the drive-through, which will be located on the organization’s campus on the corner of Fifth Street and Emerson Avenue.

After arriving, patients’ information will be verified and medical staff wearing masks, face shields, gloves and gowns will administer a nasal swab through their car windows, Lake said.

“Then, they’ll go on their way, ideally home. We don’t want them going around the community, in case the results do come back positive,” he said. Patients will also be given information about monitoring their symptoms and preventing spread.

The operation will have limited hours this weekend, 12 to 4 p.m., but is expected to run everyday from 8 a.m. to 5 p.m. starting Monday.

The swabs will be sent to University of Washington’s virology lab for testing. Results will likely be returned within 72 hours, depending on the lab’s capacity at the time, Lake said.

UW itself implemented a similar drive-through system last week for testing. The university is now looking to set up a second location in southern Seattle and ramp up testing to serve UW Medicine staff and patients, The New York Times reported Friday.

The drive-through testing is faster and safer than having patients come into a waiting room, Lake said.
“We think it’s a way to protect our employees. We also think it’s a way to protect our facilities so other patients are protected,” he said. “It’s a way to achieve all of those things.”

Since Confluence Health will now be testing people with more mild symptoms, they expect testing volume to increase “dramatically,” Lake said. They hope casting a wider net will also help agencies like the Chelan-Douglas Health District analyze the virus’ impact in NCW.

“We think the information we obtain through this higher volume of testing will help them make more informed decisions on community activities,” he said. “... We’re really cognizant of the fact that this virus has not yet hit our community the way it has hit other communities and we’re trying to do everything that we can to protect our community and protect our patients.”

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