Injured?

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Edited Date/Time 1/20/2020 9:15am
Have Craig or Lawrence sustained any injuries from their crashes tonight, or are they good to go?
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kongols 1/18/2020 10:35pm
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Collarbone for Lawrence. Doubt Craig has a scratch on him.
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Broken clavicle for jett
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Jett collarbone
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hamncheeze 1/18/2020 10:42pm
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That was a rough night for some people. Jett broke his clavicle, pretty sure Forkner will be feeling that crash tomorrow too, as will Craig. In the 450s Chisholm and Clason look to have been hurt, plus Benny pulled off early. The meat grinder has been fired up....
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tcallahan707 1/18/2020 11:53pm
1/18/2020 11:53pm Edited Date/Time 1/18/2020 11:54pm
This sport is already dangerous enough. I put this one on Feld and the track designers. There is a reason the whoops are at the end of straight rhythm (with a big safe double as for a de facto finish line photo op) instead of leading into a wall jump mid run.

Appreciate the show Jett, looking forward to your return!


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aFACEdismembered 1/18/2020 11:57pm
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tcallahan707 wrote:
This sport is already dangerous enough. I put this one on Feld and the track designers. There is a reason the whoops are at the end...
This sport is already dangerous enough. I put this one on Feld and the track designers. There is a reason the whoops are at the end of straight rhythm (with a big safe double as for a de facto finish line photo op) instead of leading into a wall jump mid run.

Appreciate the show Jett, looking forward to your return!


Better than a triple followed by long whoops. Ask JT about that. And they have a ton of space before that double after the whoops which makes me think they took Malcom's wreck in to account last year. It's not their fault Jett tried winning a race he threw away on about 8 different occasions and just pinned and prayed instead of taking a second.
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aFACEdismembered wrote:
Better than a triple followed by long whoops. Ask JT about that. And they have a ton of space before that double after the whoops which...
Better than a triple followed by long whoops. Ask JT about that. And they have a ton of space before that double after the whoops which makes me think they took Malcom's wreck in to account last year. It's not their fault Jett tried winning a race he threw away on about 8 different occasions and just pinned and prayed instead of taking a second.
He also rode a nose wheelie for a solid 2 seconds before he finally went end over end. There was plenty of space there and blaming the track is a cop-out. These are the best riders in the world, they can handle it. If they choose to overstep their limits that’s on them not the track designers.
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tcallahan707 wrote:
This sport is already dangerous enough. I put this one on Feld and the track designers. There is a reason the whoops are at the end...
This sport is already dangerous enough. I put this one on Feld and the track designers. There is a reason the whoops are at the end of straight rhythm (with a big safe double as for a de facto finish line photo op) instead of leading into a wall jump mid run.

Appreciate the show Jett, looking forward to your return!


aFACEdismembered wrote:
Better than a triple followed by long whoops. Ask JT about that. And they have a ton of space before that double after the whoops which...
Better than a triple followed by long whoops. Ask JT about that. And they have a ton of space before that double after the whoops which makes me think they took Malcom's wreck in to account last year. It's not their fault Jett tried winning a race he threw away on about 8 different occasions and just pinned and prayed instead of taking a second.
I disagree on your first sentence. Yes, there was space and Jett made a mistake, but that isn't the point. This could have easily been anyone at any point on either whoop section because mistakes happen. It's a poor design. Safety needs to be the number one priority and it's not.
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FlaNard 1/19/2020 12:44am
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So bummed for Jett. Watching that kid takes me back to watching pastrana in his first supercross season. That will to hang it out trying to win is something else. Three races in and he's already my favorite 250 rider to watch.
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tcallahan707 1/19/2020 1:03am
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FlaNard wrote:
So bummed for Jett. Watching that kid takes me back to watching pastrana in his first supercross season. That will to hang it out trying to...
So bummed for Jett. Watching that kid takes me back to watching pastrana in his first supercross season. That will to hang it out trying to win is something else. Three races in and he's already my favorite 250 rider to watch.
Seems like Forkner would be your guy then.
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hamncheeze wrote:
That was a rough night for some people. Jett broke his clavicle, pretty sure Forkner will be feeling that crash tomorrow too, as will Craig. In...
That was a rough night for some people. Jett broke his clavicle, pretty sure Forkner will be feeling that crash tomorrow too, as will Craig. In the 450s Chisholm and Clason look to have been hurt, plus Benny pulled off early. The meat grinder has been fired up....
Forkner was grabbing his left kidney when he got up. Hopefully there’s no damage beyond a bit of pain.
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GuyB 1/19/2020 2:04am
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I heard broken collarbone plus a concussion for Jett.
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Doubles after whoops are always sketchy... no room for mistake exiting.... Reed's shoulder, Jet Collarbone, Marty almost died, Bagget collarbone, A Martin did something on that a while back...

Would much rather see more whoops tbh. Start em earlier in the corner and make em long – self limiting.
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Crush wrote:
Doubles after whoops are always sketchy... no room for mistake exiting.... Reed's shoulder, Jet Collarbone, Marty almost died, Bagget collarbone, A Martin did something on that...
Doubles after whoops are always sketchy... no room for mistake exiting.... Reed's shoulder, Jet Collarbone, Marty almost died, Bagget collarbone, A Martin did something on that a while back...

Would much rather see more whoops tbh. Start em earlier in the corner and make em long – self limiting.
Better get rid of berms after whoops also then. A berm is just an angled lip with tuff bloks at the top. They learned from the Malcolm incident last year and gave a ton of space before the double. HE may be able to go that fast in whoops but clearly the bike and track conditions said NO. Color me shocked. He'll learn or see an early retirement like Zach Bell from grenading himself.
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Crush 1/19/2020 6:34am
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Crush wrote:
Doubles after whoops are always sketchy... no room for mistake exiting.... Reed's shoulder, Jet Collarbone, Marty almost died, Bagget collarbone, A Martin did something on that...
Doubles after whoops are always sketchy... no room for mistake exiting.... Reed's shoulder, Jet Collarbone, Marty almost died, Bagget collarbone, A Martin did something on that a while back...

Would much rather see more whoops tbh. Start em earlier in the corner and make em long – self limiting.
aFACEdismembered wrote:
Better get rid of berms after whoops also then. A berm is just an angled lip with tuff bloks at the top. They learned from the...
Better get rid of berms after whoops also then. A berm is just an angled lip with tuff bloks at the top. They learned from the Malcolm incident last year and gave a ton of space before the double. HE may be able to go that fast in whoops but clearly the bike and track conditions said NO. Color me shocked. He'll learn or see an early retirement like Zach Bell from grenading himself.
Mmmmm, maybe, but I feel like we've seen this crash a lot and not many seem to come to mind in to a berm as you say.

Maybe the end of the section to a corner has them reducing speed but the double has them WFO? Dunno. Seems pattern like tho.
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tcallahan707 wrote:
This sport is already dangerous enough. I put this one on Feld and the track designers. There is a reason the whoops are at the end...
This sport is already dangerous enough. I put this one on Feld and the track designers. There is a reason the whoops are at the end of straight rhythm (with a big safe double as for a de facto finish line photo op) instead of leading into a wall jump mid run.

Appreciate the show Jett, looking forward to your return!


aFACEdismembered wrote:
Better than a triple followed by long whoops. Ask JT about that. And they have a ton of space before that double after the whoops which...
Better than a triple followed by long whoops. Ask JT about that. And they have a ton of space before that double after the whoops which makes me think they took Malcom's wreck in to account last year. It's not their fault Jett tried winning a race he threw away on about 8 different occasions and just pinned and prayed instead of taking a second.
tcallahan707 wrote:
I disagree on your first sentence. Yes, there was space and Jett made a mistake, but that isn't the point. This could have easily been anyone...
I disagree on your first sentence. Yes, there was space and Jett made a mistake, but that isn't the point. This could have easily been anyone at any point on either whoop section because mistakes happen. It's a poor design. Safety needs to be the number one priority and it's not.
There was nothing wrong with the track design last night. It’s SX and look how many riders negotiated the track just fine last night. Jett’s wreck was due to him getting overzealous in the last quarter of the whoop section and got out of shape. Forkner did the same thing trying to get to the front.
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tcallahan707 1/19/2020 6:54am
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aFACEdismembered wrote:
Better than a triple followed by long whoops. Ask JT about that. And they have a ton of space before that double after the whoops which...
Better than a triple followed by long whoops. Ask JT about that. And they have a ton of space before that double after the whoops which makes me think they took Malcom's wreck in to account last year. It's not their fault Jett tried winning a race he threw away on about 8 different occasions and just pinned and prayed instead of taking a second.
tcallahan707 wrote:
I disagree on your first sentence. Yes, there was space and Jett made a mistake, but that isn't the point. This could have easily been anyone...
I disagree on your first sentence. Yes, there was space and Jett made a mistake, but that isn't the point. This could have easily been anyone at any point on either whoop section because mistakes happen. It's a poor design. Safety needs to be the number one priority and it's not.
Racer111 wrote:
There was nothing wrong with the track design last night. It’s SX and look how many riders negotiated the track just fine last night. Jett’s wreck...
There was nothing wrong with the track design last night. It’s SX and look how many riders negotiated the track just fine last night. Jett’s wreck was due to him getting overzealous in the last quarter of the whoop section and got out of shape. Forkner did the same thing trying to get to the front.
You are missing the point. Look how many drivers navigated Spa this year. Must mean the track was fine right? Yet a driver was killed. The FIA will spend the time studying the incident and how they can improve track safety. Think Feld has ever looked into significant crashes, recognized a pattern, and made appropriate safety improvements? The design that we saw is a lesson in poor risk management.

The amount of shit on the track surface that can cause harm, versus the amount of shit on the track surface that can help is laughable. It says all you need to know about the prioritization of rider safety. Where on Earth did the nets go? Any sane person would increase the number after the effectiveness but it appears they got rid of them (correct me if I'm wrong, just haven't seen them).
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aFACEdismembered 1/19/2020 8:01am
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tcallahan707 wrote:
I disagree on your first sentence. Yes, there was space and Jett made a mistake, but that isn't the point. This could have easily been anyone...
I disagree on your first sentence. Yes, there was space and Jett made a mistake, but that isn't the point. This could have easily been anyone at any point on either whoop section because mistakes happen. It's a poor design. Safety needs to be the number one priority and it's not.
Racer111 wrote:
There was nothing wrong with the track design last night. It’s SX and look how many riders negotiated the track just fine last night. Jett’s wreck...
There was nothing wrong with the track design last night. It’s SX and look how many riders negotiated the track just fine last night. Jett’s wreck was due to him getting overzealous in the last quarter of the whoop section and got out of shape. Forkner did the same thing trying to get to the front.
tcallahan707 wrote:
You are missing the point. Look how many drivers navigated Spa this year. Must mean the track was fine right? Yet a driver was killed. The...
You are missing the point. Look how many drivers navigated Spa this year. Must mean the track was fine right? Yet a driver was killed. The FIA will spend the time studying the incident and how they can improve track safety. Think Feld has ever looked into significant crashes, recognized a pattern, and made appropriate safety improvements? The design that we saw is a lesson in poor risk management.

The amount of shit on the track surface that can cause harm, versus the amount of shit on the track surface that can help is laughable. It says all you need to know about the prioritization of rider safety. Where on Earth did the nets go? Any sane person would increase the number after the effectiveness but it appears they got rid of them (correct me if I'm wrong, just haven't seen them).
People have been dying at Spa for 100 years and they will for 100 more. Isle of Man ring a bell? You can't cover everything in bubble wrap. They improve safety but death will always outwit safety eventually. Why was Jett not wearing a chest protector with shoulder plates? The technology exists and could have helped him there. Oh yea, he chose to be unsafe for comfort reasons. Not the track crews fault.
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tcallahan707 1/19/2020 6:04pm
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Racer111 wrote:
There was nothing wrong with the track design last night. It’s SX and look how many riders negotiated the track just fine last night. Jett’s wreck...
There was nothing wrong with the track design last night. It’s SX and look how many riders negotiated the track just fine last night. Jett’s wreck was due to him getting overzealous in the last quarter of the whoop section and got out of shape. Forkner did the same thing trying to get to the front.
tcallahan707 wrote:
You are missing the point. Look how many drivers navigated Spa this year. Must mean the track was fine right? Yet a driver was killed. The...
You are missing the point. Look how many drivers navigated Spa this year. Must mean the track was fine right? Yet a driver was killed. The FIA will spend the time studying the incident and how they can improve track safety. Think Feld has ever looked into significant crashes, recognized a pattern, and made appropriate safety improvements? The design that we saw is a lesson in poor risk management.

The amount of shit on the track surface that can cause harm, versus the amount of shit on the track surface that can help is laughable. It says all you need to know about the prioritization of rider safety. Where on Earth did the nets go? Any sane person would increase the number after the effectiveness but it appears they got rid of them (correct me if I'm wrong, just haven't seen them).
aFACEdismembered wrote:
People have been dying at Spa for 100 years and they will for 100 more. Isle of Man ring a bell? You can't cover everything in...
People have been dying at Spa for 100 years and they will for 100 more. Isle of Man ring a bell? You can't cover everything in bubble wrap. They improve safety but death will always outwit safety eventually. Why was Jett not wearing a chest protector with shoulder plates? The technology exists and could have helped him there. Oh yea, he chose to be unsafe for comfort reasons. Not the track crews fault.
Again, missing the point. When you see an opportunity for improvement safety-wise, as a racing organization, you take it. Road racing at the highest level does this much better than our sport does. Also, protecting your assets tends to be a wise business move as well. Chest protector is a prime example. It's ridiculous that there isn't a rule related to some sort of protection FOR THE MOST IMPORTANT AREA IN THE BODY. How is it 2020 and guys are legally able to wear only a jersey?

Ps. I didn't say it was the track crew's fault.
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The question is will Dylan be injured next week?
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