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Edited Date/Time 1/25/2012 9:26pm
My best guess, whats yours

Glen Helen!!!!
450's
1. Alessi , Villapoto, Short

250's
1. Rattay, Dungey, Stroupe
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450's
1. Reed
2. Alessi
3. RV

250's
1. Dungey
2. Pourcel
3. Rattray
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4/27/2009 10:56am
I'm putting my money on:

450's
Alessi

250's
Stroupe
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I agree on Reed if he's there.. Does anyone know for sure on him yet? I think it'd be a great time for him to grab the outdoor title

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For the series or just for Glen Helen? I don't know if Stewart, Reed, or Windham are racing. If so, I will pick them, in that order. If not:

450
1. Villopoto
2. Alessi
3. Hepler
4. Short
5. Tedesco

250
1. Stroupe
2. Dungey
3. Rattray
4. Pourcel
5. Searle
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Stroupe can't stay off the ground enough to win a title. He will be the fastest for sure.
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villopoto
lawrence
alessi
short
grant

weimer
dungey
pourcel
canard
barcia



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4/27/2009 1:14pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 11:36pm
MX253 wrote:
I agree on Reed if he's there.. Does anyone know for sure on him yet? I think it'd be a great time for him to grab...
I agree on Reed if he's there.. Does anyone know for sure on him yet? I think it'd be a great time for him to grab the outdoor title
It does not sound like Reed is prepared or interested in the Nationals according to this:

from Racer X Monday conversation with Chad Reed

RX: We also have all these rumors about the nationals. Can you talk at all about that?
CHAD: What rumors?

RX: Oh, you know, some people are saying there is going to be a 22 bike on the line at the nationals every race.
CHAD: Oh, I don’t know. I’ll tell you one thing: I have a flight booked for 10:30 Sunday night out of LAX to Sydney, so I’ll be on that plane with my wife, Ell, and we’ll be going back to Oz.

RX: And then you’re going to come back and race the nationals...
CHAD: I haven’t ridden outdoors since the Motocross des Nations, haven’t tested, and haven’t even ridden my track at home, so... These guys, you see it on Racer X Films, with Shorty out there and all these guys, since mathematically no one has a shot at this title other than James and I, they’re riding their butts off outdoors. I haven’t ridden once. I don’t think that would be good preparation, going to Oz and doing stuff back there.

RX: So that means you’re not riding the nationals?
CHAD: I would say there’s a good chance you won’t see me at Glen Helen. But if you do, that would be nice, huh?
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4/27/2009 1:14pm
HEARD WINDHAM MIGHT RIDE A 250F AT GH...
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4/27/2009 1:19pm
Does anyone know if Ferry is gonna be back for Glen Helen? Or is Billy still riding?
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450's

Alessi, Rv, Jlaw, Hamblin, Windham,


250's

Stroupe, Dungey, Izzi, Canard, Weimer, Morais, Euros etc.. wharton also

The 250 class is stacked and I believe every moto will be a chance for a different person to win.
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4/27/2009 2:22pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 11:36pm
Yes, I agree! But I think for both classes! I think were in for one of the best outdoors series ever. Without Reed & Stewart in the 450's and the Suuuuuuuuuuper deep talent in the 250's - we are in for a treat!

Love Moto
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Some people came close, here it is:

Including Stewart, Reed, and Windham there are 11 guys in the 450's that can podium at any single race. I will not include those 3 in my prediction:

1. Villopoto
2. Alessi
3. Millsaps

250's some of the rookies will suprise some people, but here are my top 3:

1.Stroupe
2.Dungey
3.Canard/Weimer too close to call

Wild cards are #99 #151 #377

* I would add Jlaw to either class in the 3rd position, but the dude needs to get his shit straight and actually race.
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Better wait and see who's not all busted to pieces since everybody will be racing a 450 and taking everybody out in Vegas...
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4/27/2009 3:01pm
JP - I agree with all your info, especially the Jlaw factor. Good stuff!
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4/27/2009 3:46pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 11:37pm
JP wrote:
Some people came close, here it is: Including Stewart, Reed, and Windham there are 11 guys in the 450's that can podium at any single race...
Some people came close, here it is:

Including Stewart, Reed, and Windham there are 11 guys in the 450's that can podium at any single race. I will not include those 3 in my prediction:

1. Villopoto
2. Alessi
3. Millsaps

250's some of the rookies will suprise some people, but here are my top 3:

1.Stroupe
2.Dungey
3.Canard/Weimer too close to call

Wild cards are #99 #151 #377

* I would add Jlaw to either class in the 3rd position, but the dude needs to get his shit straight and actually race.




Top 5


Pourcel

Rattary

Dungey

Searle

Stroupe




Any of the top 4 could win the title I think Stroupe and Canard may win races too but be too inconsistant for the title, also at some races I wouldnt be surprised to see a non - american podium in MX2.

MX1

Villopoto
Alessi
Short
Millsaps
Hepler

Alessi v RV should be good!!
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4/27/2009 4:04pm
mccread wrote:
Top 5 Pourcel Rattary Dungey Searle Stroupe Any of the top 4 could win the title I think Stroupe and Canard may win races too but...




Top 5


Pourcel

Rattary

Dungey

Searle

Stroupe




Any of the top 4 could win the title I think Stroupe and Canard may win races too but be too inconsistant for the title, also at some races I wouldnt be surprised to see a non - american podium in MX2.

MX1

Villopoto
Alessi
Short
Millsaps
Hepler

Alessi v RV should be good!!
Not sure where I listed my top 7 seven, but ok. I think you came a lot closer on your 450 picks.

Do yourself a favor, print this page out and get back to me at the end of the season.

BTW - #99 will spank Searle and probably finish consistently higher then Rattray. Believe it!
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4/27/2009 4:11pm Edited Date/Time 4/27/2009 4:13pm
what are you basing this on? do GP results mean nothing to you? Anstie is the best youth rider in world right now but he doesn't have the experiance of those other two if he beats those to in the title chase he could be the champ cause Rattary and Searle will be up there with Dungey.

Anstie will maybe beat Barcia for rookie of the year though maybe 2 brits on a podium for some of the nationals? bring it on!!
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I'm not editing my posts, GuyB should throw a sticky on it. My picks are money
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mccread wrote:
Top 5 Pourcel Rattary Dungey Searle Stroupe Any of the top 4 could win the title I think Stroupe and Canard may win races too but...




Top 5


Pourcel

Rattary

Dungey

Searle

Stroupe




Any of the top 4 could win the title I think Stroupe and Canard may win races too but be too inconsistant for the title, also at some races I wouldnt be surprised to see a non - american podium in MX2.

MX1

Villopoto
Alessi
Short
Millsaps
Hepler

Alessi v RV should be good!!
JP wrote:
Not sure where I listed my top 7 seven, but ok. I think you came a lot closer on your 450 picks. Do yourself a favor...
Not sure where I listed my top 7 seven, but ok. I think you came a lot closer on your 450 picks.

Do yourself a favor, print this page out and get back to me at the end of the season.

BTW - #99 will spank Searle and probably finish consistently higher then Rattray. Believe it!
Quote from JP "BTW - #99 will spank Searle and probably finish consistently higher then Rattray. Believe it!"


I am with you, Jase Lewis (#99) is going to be killing those GP guys in the nationals. Carrolton Georgia turns out the best riders in the country!
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mccread wrote:
what are you basing this on? do GP results mean nothing to you? Anstie is the best youth rider in world right now but he doesn't...
what are you basing this on? do GP results mean nothing to you? Anstie is the best youth rider in world right now but he doesn't have the experiance of those other two if he beats those to in the title chase he could be the champ cause Rattary and Searle will be up there with Dungey.

Anstie will maybe beat Barcia for rookie of the year though maybe 2 brits on a podium for some of the nationals? bring it on!!
Hold up, it's not an us against them thing with me. I could care less about that shit, I'm a freaking Mutt. I have the advantage of not playing favorites and calling it like I see it. I've been watching these guys ride a lot lately (except for Barcia and Pourcell, the reason i listed those two as wild cards)
I didn't believe the hype about Anstie until I saw him ride twice recently, the kid hauls ass and to be honest is more impressive then Searle for sure. Not to be a dick, but there are actually some local A riders that look better, but who knows. I wish him luck, it takes a lot to sac up and come over here to race.
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Anstie and Barcia won't make it through all 12 races without injury or other incidents. Neither have any idea what its like to race at the top level of pro racing.
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DownSouth wrote:
Anstie and Barcia won't make it through all 12 races without injury or other incidents. Neither have any idea what its like to race at the...
Anstie and Barcia won't make it through all 12 races without injury or other incidents. Neither have any idea what its like to race at the top level of pro racing.
You could say that about half a dozen or more riders this year that haul ass. I try to keep injuries out of my predictions. Since you mention it though, I have heard that Barcia rides WFO and that could end up being a problem.
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450's GH

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I'm just excited that both classes with have good competition and we're going to be in for a really good show in MX/Lites.

Go Josh Hill.
4/27/2009 5:15pm
well if jlaw is doing nothing but MX testing........ watch the F out.
and if he isnt, then RV Alessi battle is going to be amazing.
i would love to see windham get a title. that would be awesome.

as for the little boys...... im going to say the imports are going to run with it.
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mccread wrote:
what are you basing this on? do GP results mean nothing to you? Anstie is the best youth rider in world right now but he doesn't...
what are you basing this on? do GP results mean nothing to you? Anstie is the best youth rider in world right now but he doesn't have the experiance of those other two if he beats those to in the title chase he could be the champ cause Rattary and Searle will be up there with Dungey.

Anstie will maybe beat Barcia for rookie of the year though maybe 2 brits on a podium for some of the nationals? bring it on!!
searle wasnt even near anstie @ 4-st nat........he better do his homework if he is strugglin w/dean wilson and matt lemoine..........not one of the riders you mentioned have any experience in racing over here .................you will see how much more aggressive the pace and the racing is over here
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4/27/2009 5:28pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 11:37pm
1. Ryan Villopoto has never lost an outdoor Nationals championship or an MXDN MX2 championship, which also included beat one hell of a lot of 450s. He has now had over 6 months on the 450, including one win as we move to the outdoors--his preferred environment. To bet against him is a fool's bet.

2. Mike Allessi was extremely fast last year in the Nationals in the 450 class.--well above the rest of the field with the exception of Stewart until his injuries. Given his starting prowess, he could give Villopoto a very tough fight indeed.

3. Andrew Short is very fast, very consistent, and very, very underrated because he has never grabbed the "big" win. He is better outdoors than indoors and has only gotten stronger every year.

4. Tim Ferry is today's Mike LaRocco and was 2nd in points to Stewart last year in the Nationals. He also saved the day for Team USA in the MXDN when Stewart couldn't restart his bike. If healthy, he and Short will probably be fighting for 3rd in points.

5. Hepler, Milsaps, Tedesco, Hill, Cody Cooper etc. are all fast but suffer from inconsistency. If one proves more consistant than the others, he will be the one in 5th.


250s

1. Ryan Dungey is the only rider who beat Villopoto in the outdoors last year more than once. He aslo battled in 07 with Villopoto and Townley more than once. He has just gotten a HUGE boost with his West Coast Lites Championship. He is older, stronger, and wiser this year and will be the man to beat, bar none, until someone proves otherwise.

2. Christophe Pourcel has an FIM championship in the lites under his belt, and now has an AMA Supercross East Coast championship. He also has the team in Pro Circuit that produces 125/lites/250f champions like no other. This could very well be a contest between himself and Dungey much the way Villopoto and Townley battled in 07.

3.

A. Trey Canard is VERY fast and also a year older, wiser, and stronger. He also has an East Coast Lites title. The way he fought off Weimer in SLC for the win was impressive.

B. Jake Weimer. Very fast, Pro Circuit, something to prove. Dangerous.

C. Austin Stroupe. Very fast, Pro Circuit, something to prove. Dangerous.

4.

A Tyla Ratray also has an FIM championship under his belt and his runner-up
B Tommy Searle is very fast as well. Having never really seen them on American tracks against the American riders, it is hard to say how they will fare, but I suspect they will do quite well. The heat and occaisional humidity may be a shocker for them at places like Southwick and Freestone the way it was for DeReuver. Hell, last year Freestone just about killed a bunch of the Americans for that matter.

The field is very deep, to say the least, and should provide some truly AWESOME battles. We are in for a treat.

On a final, and probably somewhat controversial note, if Chad Reed does ride the nationals (which I doubt) I think some of you are overrating him. Reed doesn't really care for the Nationals, and why should he? His record there is weak. He got smoked by Stewart and Carmichael the last time he rode the Nationals and was badly beaten by Villopoto in 07 and 08 at the MDXN. (I know, I know, save your breath). Alessi and Villopoto are both far better outdoors than in. In fact, Villopoto is almost like a different rider outdoors he is so strong and aggressive. Reed would be stepping OUT of his strong point and INTO theirs and that matters- A LOT. Just look at the results.
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1. Ryan Villopoto has never lost an outdoor Nationals championship or an MXDN MX2 championship, which also included beat one hell of a lot of 450s. He has now had over 6 months on the 450, including one win as we move to the outdoors--his preferred environment. To bet against him is a fool's bet.

2. Mike Allessi was extremely fast last year in the Nationals in the 450 class.--well above the rest of the field with the exception of Stewart until his injuries. Given his starting prowess, he could give Villopoto a very tough fight indeed.

3. Andrew Short is very fast, very consistent, and very, very underrated because he has never grabbed the "big" win. He is better outdoors than indoors and has only gotten stronger every year.

4. Tim Ferry is today's Mike LaRocco and was 2nd in points to Stewart last year in the Nationals. He also saved the day for Team USA in the MXDN when Stewart couldn't restart his bike. If healthy, he and Short will probably be fighting for 3rd in points.

5. Hepler, Milsaps, Tedesco, Hill, etc. are all fast but suffer from inconsistency. If one proves more consistant than the others, he will be the one in 5th.


250s

1. Ryan Dungey is the only rider who beat Villopoto in the outdoors last year more than once. He aslo battled in 07 with Villopoto and Townley more than once. He has just gotten a HUGE boost with his West Coast Lites Championship. He is older, stronger, and wiser this year and will be the man to beat, bar none, until someone proves otherwise.

2. Christophe Pourcel has an FIM championship in the lites under his belt, and now has an AMA Supercross East Coast championship. He also has the team in Pro Circuit that produces 125/lites/250f champions like no other. This could very well be a contest between himself and Dungey much the way Villopoto and Townley battled in 07.

3.

A. Trey Canard is VERY fast and also a year older, wiser, and stronger. He also has an East Coast Lites title. The way he fought off Weimer in SLC for the win was impressive.

B. Jake Weimer. Very fast, Pro Circuit, something to prove. Dangerous.

C. Austin Stroupe. Very fast, Pro Circuit, something to prove. Dangerous.

4.

A Tyla Ratray also has an FIM championship under his belt and his runner-up
B Tommy Searle is very fast as well. Having never really seen them on American tracks against the American riders, it is hard to say how they will fare, but I suspect they will do quite well. The heat and occaisional humidity may be a shocker for them at places like Southwick and Freestone the way it was for DeReuver. Hell, last year Freestone just about killed a bunch of the Americans for that matter.

The field is very deep, to say the least, and should provide some truly AWESOME battles. We are in for a treat.

On a final, and probably somewhat controversial note, if Chad Reed does ride the nationals (which I doubt) I think some of you are overrating him. Reed doesn't really care for the Nationals, and why should he? His record there is weak. He got smoked by Stewart and Carmichael the last time he rode the Nationals and was badly beaten by Villopoto in 07 and 08 at the MDXN. (I know, I know, save your breath). Alessi and Villopoto are both far better outdoors than in. In fact, Villopoto is almost like a different rider outdoors he is so strong and aggressive. Reed would be stepping OUT of his strong point and INTO theirs and that matters- A LOT. Just look at the results.

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