Kyle Chilsom got thrown under the bus...

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OK....

I stay off the moto boards on race nights , and the following morning so i can watch the race without knowing who already won.

With that being said....i JUST NOW jumped onto this board and haven't read one single thread , reply , NADA!

I rewound and played it over and over , and "I THINK" that K.C. is , and should be in the clear!

Why....he was just about wadding anyways before he slightly even rubbed Reed! Go watch the video and you can see clear as fuggin' day that he barely , and i mean BARELY even rubbed reed.

K.C. went down on his own accord. Why the hell he got on the gas so hard in the first place , i dunno....but from what i saw , it looked like he did everything he could do , to NOT HIT REED!


Maybe most guys on here agree with this , i dunno , like i said , i haven't read any threads about it yet. Including the one GuyB put up about K.c.'s side of it.

I'm sure there are going to be some whining , bitching and moaning from the Reed fans , but what else would you expect?

Besides the fact......from James's point of view......jesus christ , Reed just about put him into the fuggin' stands! And Reeds whining little ass get's up there and makes stupid comments like that.


I gained a bunch of respect for Reed this year because he try's extremely hard. I even had a ton of respect for him through out this race i just watched....UNTIL his stupid little box speech. He punts James....then whines when another rider rubs him.

I aint got anything against you Aussie's that come on here , and i know i'll probably get flamed for this....But Reed was a whiney little bitch tonight , strait up!!
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4/26/2009 9:32pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 11:36pm
Watch this video a few times including the corner before the corner where he fell and read the rule about the blue flag and see if maybe you'll change your mind:



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And yet another idiot who can't discern the difference between riders on the same lap fighting for the lead and the title ... and a rider who has been passed and lapped by the leaders.

"He punts James" ??? Holy fuck where do you morons come from?

Wherever it is ... please go back.



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4/26/2009 9:41pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 11:36pm
Now i go read K.C. gets suspened? Who the fuck is the puss that made that happen/


And RACE.....ya fuggin idiot , you didn't see the pass Reed put on james? Blew him off the track , into a tough block....please tell me your dumbass saw that.


So Reed can do THAT to james , but when another rider ( in the fucking points or not!) fucking RUBS you.....he gets DQ'ed?


I don't see it that way at all. K.C. Barely touched Reed. It "could" have been ugly , but K.C. put himself down on the dirt from a short wild ride he had.


where do you fuggin' pussy , wanna be MX insiders come from....?


One more thing....it didn't look like it mattered much anyways.....Stewie just yarded Reed again like he always does. Reed gave an awesome fight tonight , and rode better than i have seen him ride so far , but still didn't run with James at the end.
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"So Reed can do THAT to james , but when another rider ( in the fucking points or not!) fucking RUBS you.....he gets DQ'ed? "


Ummm ... yes Tweezerbrain. Kyle's own team manager - Brooks - even wrote a two page rant over lappers messing with race leaders.

You really need to get a clue.


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Void Main wrote:
Watch this video a few times including the corner before the corner where he fell and read the rule about the blue flag and see if...
Watch this video a few times including the corner before the corner where he fell and read the rule about the blue flag and see if maybe you'll change your mind:



That video CLEARLY shows KC pulling over for Stewart and then aiming directly for Reed. KC should have taken the INSIDE line from where he was but rode that line straight up the berm toward Reed. DIRTY! Unfortunately, Stewart is taking some heat and it is clearly not his fault and should not tarnish the title if Stewart wins it.
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4/26/2009 9:52pm
Chisholm was just seeing if he could keep pace with those guys in that section at full race pace... Thats all. lol
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All of your dumb ass reasons "backing" Kyle AKA "Punk" doesn't explain three very important things. No matter how you try and justify it, you are wrong! Try and explain this. 1. Why was he even going that fast into the corner when you have two people fighting for the championship?! Everyone else seemed to move over pretty damn well! 2. Watch the freaking video again! Look at his angle. He wasn't even trying to make that corner. My God man! Is the first time you guys have been on a bike? Do you take a corner like that?! 3. He said he was in "points" battle with other riders. Hmm, what a crock. They weren't even close to him when this went down! Basically....he's a Punk. And anyone backing him is either blind or has never been on a bike.
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the douche bag shouldn't have even been roit there in the first place.

follow the blue flag people.

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i love the battle this year, hope the best man wins. BUT... when a lapper rides someone battling for the lead high into the corner, that's off side. I watched the video many times, just before KC hits Reed, you see the back tire kick up some dirt. This means he either gunned it or dumped the clutch. you know the FIM reviewed the video and saw this before they black flagged him.
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4/26/2009 9:59pm
Yeah,Chad was pissed and emotional. Probably shouldn't have tried to bring MA into it. Not good to say on the podium. And James said Chad tried to take him off the track on that one pass? Paleeeeeease! That was a typical block pass.A nice one at that. Gave him plenty of room and tried keeping the pass low while stopping Stew from keeping the line. Even at an amateur level,one shouldn't cry about that pass IMHO.

Whether or not KC TRIED to rub on Chad,only he knows for sure. Fact is,he was already lapped and had no business trying to cut under either of those 2 guys as THEY WERE A LAP AHEAD.Tongue Never should have been close and I'm sure he regrets the brainfart. That being said,it was obvious after watching this replay,that he was putting,moved over for James,and then gassed it down the inside. Done deal.
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Well, I altered my perspective after I noticed the lookover in the corner before. First of all, I didn't see any of the riders that he was "battling with."

He looked back and moved over like he should have. He may have still been out of control during that section in an attempt to hang with Reed. It was a blatant attempt to at least get in the way. It looks like he could have gone even lower to T-bone Reed and break his leg. Either way, he pulled over, looked back and then kamakazied the next section. When you see just the clip of him coming off of the table section, he did the step off into the turn which will give a little more momentum into the corner. If you see where he pulls over and looks back as they go around him, there isn't much argument left for his intentions.

Great job by the AMA to work quick and get him off of the track that fast. No way should he race in Vegas.
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Well, I altered my perspective after I noticed the lookover in the corner before. First of all, I didn't see any of the riders that he...
Well, I altered my perspective after I noticed the lookover in the corner before. First of all, I didn't see any of the riders that he was "battling with."

He looked back and moved over like he should have. He may have still been out of control during that section in an attempt to hang with Reed. It was a blatant attempt to at least get in the way. It looks like he could have gone even lower to T-bone Reed and break his leg. Either way, he pulled over, looked back and then kamakazied the next section. When you see just the clip of him coming off of the table section, he did the step off into the turn which will give a little more momentum into the corner. If you see where he pulls over and looks back as they go around him, there isn't much argument left for his intentions.

Great job by the AMA to work quick and get him off of the track that fast. No way should he race in Vegas.
same as everyone else.........except cr and bs if they knock someone down or bump them its ok because their special.
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4/26/2009 10:15pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 11:36pm
I watched it a bunch of times , and i KNOW Kyle shouldn't have been where he was at , or possibly , he shouldn't have tried to ride with the two leaders. BUT....another fact that you guys are forgetting about , is the contact he had with Reed , was not that hard. From the way K.C. came to an almost dead stop before he got into reed.....it looked like to me , he was thinking " OH FUCK.....i didn't think Chad was gonna square the corner up like that"


the contact was extremely light......and i think a DQ and suspension just isn't right. And if K.C. wanted to , he "could" have cleaned Reeds clock in that corner , but he came to an almost dead stop to make that NOT HAPPEN.


YEAH...he shouldn't have been there! But honestly.....did that little contact cause Reed to lose any more time on stewie than he always does?


I don't think that corner/contact had any affect on the out come of the race.....do you guys?
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It doesn't even matter if it was totally accidental. It's a rule that when the blue flag is flying he shouldn't have been anywhere near them and he got penalized for it. It doesn't matter how hard the hit was, the rule says he can't impede and he did.
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jeffro503 wrote:
OK.... I stay off the moto boards on race nights , and the following morning so i can watch the race without knowing who already won...
OK....

I stay off the moto boards on race nights , and the following morning so i can watch the race without knowing who already won.

With that being said....i JUST NOW jumped onto this board and haven't read one single thread , reply , NADA!

I rewound and played it over and over , and "I THINK" that K.C. is , and should be in the clear!

Why....he was just about wadding anyways before he slightly even rubbed Reed! Go watch the video and you can see clear as fuggin' day that he barely , and i mean BARELY even rubbed reed.

K.C. went down on his own accord. Why the hell he got on the gas so hard in the first place , i dunno....but from what i saw , it looked like he did everything he could do , to NOT HIT REED!


Maybe most guys on here agree with this , i dunno , like i said , i haven't read any threads about it yet. Including the one GuyB put up about K.c.'s side of it.

I'm sure there are going to be some whining , bitching and moaning from the Reed fans , but what else would you expect?

Besides the fact......from James's point of view......jesus christ , Reed just about put him into the fuggin' stands! And Reeds whining little ass get's up there and makes stupid comments like that.


I gained a bunch of respect for Reed this year because he try's extremely hard. I even had a ton of respect for him through out this race i just watched....UNTIL his stupid little box speech. He punts James....then whines when another rider rubs him.

I aint got anything against you Aussie's that come on here , and i know i'll probably get flamed for this....But Reed was a whiney little bitch tonight , strait up!!
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No it wasn't that hard but it was the intentions and the rules that were put in place to prevent bullshit.

I didn't see any passes by Reed that went beyond aggresive.
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"i didn't think Chad was gonna square the corner up like that"

what the fuck?

reed didn't square that corner up man. no way. he went all the way around the outside.

whether that contact made the decision about the race or not, i would say not. but that was bullshit.

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After watching the incident several times and reading many, many posts here I believe:

1. KC looked suspiciously like a Chad Reed-seeking missile.

2. That stuff is as old as racing and has been even more blatant in the past.

3. He didn't do a particularly effective job

4. The effect on Reed was obviously more psychological than physical and to his discredit, Reed was never able to challenge Stewart again after that.


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4/26/2009 10:24pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 11:36pm
Last time I checked if your so fuggen slow that you are being lapped AND the blue flag is flying AND the first place rider already went by you should have enough brains to pull the hell over to the side of the track and let the rest of the leaders go by. Time to replace the blue flag with the black flag and get the road blocks off the track before they pull stupid shit like the L&M team.
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peelout719 wrote:
[b]"i didn't think Chad was gonna square the corner up like that"[/b] what the fuck? reed didn't square that corner up man. no way. he went...
"i didn't think Chad was gonna square the corner up like that"

what the fuck?

reed didn't square that corner up man. no way. he went all the way around the outside.

whether that contact made the decision about the race or not, i would say not. but that was bullshit.

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hang in there.
Imagine if a lapper went after RC like that in, lets say, 2006, the last race or so... jeez the moto world would have had it's first execution.
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4/26/2009 10:35pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 11:36pm
"I don't think that corner/contact had any affect on the out come of the race.....do you guys?"



Answer #1: Blue glasses = NO

Answer #2: Yellow glasses = YES

Answer #3: Don't wear glasses = We will never know. But it appeared to bother Reed enough for him to momentarily lose his focus and a few bike lengths. And that's the difference between JS having to protect his lines and ride defensively vs riding free on the fast line. Chad HAD passed JS twice already though so it can't simply be ruled out that he had no chance at another charge / pass attempt.

Should never have happened ... according to Larry Brooks himself -
http://www.vitalmx.com/...e-spare-time-,460999

Brooks: "It will be a sad day when some disgruntled lapped rider determines the outcome of a race that 45,000 people paid to watch."



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pilotdude wrote:
After watching the incident several times and reading many, many posts here I believe: 1. KC looked suspiciously like a Chad Reed-seeking missile. 2. That stuff...
After watching the incident several times and reading many, many posts here I believe:

1. KC looked suspiciously like a Chad Reed-seeking missile.

2. That stuff is as old as racing and has been even more blatant in the past.

3. He didn't do a particularly effective job

4. The effect on Reed was obviously more psychological than physical and to his discredit, Reed was never able to challenge Stewart again after that.


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thrown under the bus? He came in hot and high-sided into the bus.
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4/27/2009 4:24am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 11:36pm
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And yet another idiot who can't discern the difference between riders on the same lap fighting for the lead and the title ... and a rider...
And yet another idiot who can't discern the difference between riders on the same lap fighting for the lead and the title ... and a rider who has been passed and lapped by the leaders.

"He punts James" ??? Holy fuck where do you morons come from?

Wherever it is ... please go back.



You really ought to stay out of these debates. Your Reed love is too blinding, you just make yourself look silly.

Chisholm was out of control, almost hit Stewart, tried to dodge him and fell down barely touching Reed. It was nothing. He shouldn't have been there in the first place, but stuff happens. It didn't have any effect on anyone other than Chisholm.
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i love how some people are saying that reed had no chance to beat stewart but it was pretty late in the race and chisolm almost hit stewart and hit reed that tells me they were farken close... then watch the video and you can see just how close esp with stewarts bobble just before they LAPPED chisolm
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And yet another idiot who can't discern the difference between riders on the same lap fighting for the lead and the title ... and a rider...
And yet another idiot who can't discern the difference between riders on the same lap fighting for the lead and the title ... and a rider who has been passed and lapped by the leaders.

"He punts James" ??? Holy fuck where do you morons come from?

Wherever it is ... please go back.



WhKnuckle wrote:
You really ought to stay out of these debates. Your Reed love is too blinding, you just make yourself look silly. Chisholm was out of control...
You really ought to stay out of these debates. Your Reed love is too blinding, you just make yourself look silly.

Chisholm was out of control, almost hit Stewart, tried to dodge him and fell down barely touching Reed. It was nothing. He shouldn't have been there in the first place, but stuff happens. It didn't have any effect on anyone other than Chisholm.
You can't see where Chad was going to try to square the turn, but there seemed to be an idiot in the way? Or how about before that when KC let JS by but blocked Chad, if you can't see that............Jeffro is your son and his momma is his sister, only way to explain the obvious inbred stupidity here.
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WhKnuckle wrote:
You really ought to stay out of these debates. Your Reed love is too blinding, you just make yourself look silly. Chisholm was out of control...
You really ought to stay out of these debates. Your Reed love is too blinding, you just make yourself look silly.

Chisholm was out of control, almost hit Stewart, tried to dodge him and fell down barely touching Reed. It was nothing. He shouldn't have been there in the first place, but stuff happens. It didn't have any effect on anyone other than Chisholm.
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jeffro503 wrote:
OK.... I stay off the moto boards on race nights , and the following morning so i can watch the race without knowing who already won...
OK....

I stay off the moto boards on race nights , and the following morning so i can watch the race without knowing who already won.

With that being said....i JUST NOW jumped onto this board and haven't read one single thread , reply , NADA!

I rewound and played it over and over , and "I THINK" that K.C. is , and should be in the clear!

Why....he was just about wadding anyways before he slightly even rubbed Reed! Go watch the video and you can see clear as fuggin' day that he barely , and i mean BARELY even rubbed reed.

K.C. went down on his own accord. Why the hell he got on the gas so hard in the first place , i dunno....but from what i saw , it looked like he did everything he could do , to NOT HIT REED!


Maybe most guys on here agree with this , i dunno , like i said , i haven't read any threads about it yet. Including the one GuyB put up about K.c.'s side of it.

I'm sure there are going to be some whining , bitching and moaning from the Reed fans , but what else would you expect?

Besides the fact......from James's point of view......jesus christ , Reed just about put him into the fuggin' stands! And Reeds whining little ass get's up there and makes stupid comments like that.


I gained a bunch of respect for Reed this year because he try's extremely hard. I even had a ton of respect for him through out this race i just watched....UNTIL his stupid little box speech. He punts James....then whines when another rider rubs him.

I aint got anything against you Aussie's that come on here , and i know i'll probably get flamed for this....But Reed was a whiney little bitch tonight , strait up!!
100% on the mark.
Well said, exactly how it was/is.
4/27/2009 5:47am
if u look real close, his bars hit james!
4/27/2009 5:50am
reeds just mad he wasnt close enough to try and take stewy down again.

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