Custom clutch cover engraving

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I have a fiber laser and im also a cerakote applicator. I can deep engrave or etch the base metal. I can laser engrave pretty deep...
I have a fiber laser and im also a cerakote applicator. I can deep engrave or etch the base metal. I can laser engrave pretty deep. do any font, patern, or picture really. clutch covers are quite simple. I also do exhaust pipes, silencers. I can do round objects with my laser. for example I can peel off the pro circuit sticker off of my r-304 shorty and laser engrave the same image of the sticker. I could laser a dang picture of your dog if you wanted LOL. if you have the right machine I believe laser is superior to machine engraving.

braap braap!
Have any pictures of the work you do? Very interested
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Springcreek 1/11/2019 11:48am
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We sell $25,000 table top lasers that can do that in minutes, here a picture of the laser and I will post some clutch covers that PDR did when i have them.


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This is 5 minutes for programming and laser marking, will do them for you for $50


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This is 5 minutes for programming and laser marking, will do them for you for $50 [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/01/11/317278/s1200_Clutch_Cover.jpg[/img]
This is 5 minutes for programming and laser marking, will do them for you for $50


How much to deep engrave like the rekluse part is done?

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Josh The Squash 1/11/2019 3:56pm
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I will post some pictures next week I charge $40 for a number and name or $50 for a full custom cover of whatever you would like. Also $45 for single color of cerakote.
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Springcreek wrote:
This is 5 minutes for programming and laser marking, will do them for you for $50 [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/01/11/317278/s1200_Clutch_Cover.jpg[/img]
This is 5 minutes for programming and laser marking, will do them for you for $50


723 wrote:
How much to deep engrave like the rekluse part is done?
That rekluse logo looks to be machine engraved not laser.
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byke wrote:
Oooohhhhh undercutting in his thread! Reminds me of the old Tom Green skit..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdfztAY3qoU
I was really going to stay away from this all together when it go dug back up but that was funny. I guess you can’t really undercut when I’m not going yet. I am still working on it. I just want to be legitiment enough when I start. I have formed an llc and am close to being where I want to be. It has definently taken longer then expected.
That being said I do think the engraving vs etching is different. I am not throwing any of his services under the bus I would encourage people to give him a shot. Competition is good business right?
Hopefully soon I can show my work and people can choose for themselves
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Springcreek 1/14/2019 11:12am
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Springcreek wrote:
This is 5 minutes for programming and laser marking, will do them for you for $50 [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/01/11/317278/s1200_Clutch_Cover.jpg[/img]
This is 5 minutes for programming and laser marking, will do them for you for $50


723 wrote:
How much to deep engrave like the rekluse part is done?
BAMX wrote:
That rekluse logo looks to be machine engraved not laser.
Yes that part was machined by recluse, machining through the coating defeats the purpose of the coating.
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Is the coating not mostly esthetics? Why would recluse, Hinson and other do so if it effected performance?
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Right now we are doing work for family and friends. This is our most recent. The work that was done by us is cut to the same dept at the Hinson logo
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[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/01/14/318000/s1200_647475E7_BEB3_4053_8498_CE855849B835.jpg[/img] Right now we are doing work for family and friends. This is our most recent. The work that was done by us is cut to...

Right now we are doing work for family and friends. This is our most recent. The work that was done by us is cut to the same dept at the Hinson logo
Can I be your family or friend ?
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byke 1/14/2019 11:29am
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byke wrote:
Oooohhhhh undercutting in his thread! Reminds me of the old Tom Green skit..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdfztAY3qoU
p3fab wrote:
I was really going to stay away from this all together when it go dug back up but that was funny. I guess you can’t really...
I was really going to stay away from this all together when it go dug back up but that was funny. I guess you can’t really undercut when I’m not going yet. I am still working on it. I just want to be legitiment enough when I start. I have formed an llc and am close to being where I want to be. It has definently taken longer then expected.
That being said I do think the engraving vs etching is different. I am not throwing any of his services under the bus I would encourage people to give him a shot. Competition is good business right?
Hopefully soon I can show my work and people can choose for themselves
That's the spirit! Was just having a laugh. I also prefer machining over etching. The text in the pic above is cool, you could do something like that with a little eBay 3020/6040 machine. I had a vf2 with renishaw probing system, but didn't enjoy using it. The little machine are more fun, imo.
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p3fab wrote:
Is the coating not mostly esthetics? Why would recluse, Hinson and other do so if it effected performance?
Perhaps they don't have a laser?

Anodizing adds a thin ceramic layer on the surface of metal parts that protects them from corrosion and wear. The anodic coating is electrically non-conductive, has high hardness and can be dyed to different colors. Anodizing is only compatible with Aluminum and Titanium.

Machined is fine for moto parts because they probably will wear out before they corrode.

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Ceramic?
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Springcreek 1/14/2019 12:40pm
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byke wrote:
Ceramic?
from the interwebbbbs - anodized finish is composed of crystallized aluminum oxide, and is hard enough to be classified as a ceramic.
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Was gonna say, it's oxidized aluminum and ceramic is actually a material, of which they are not the same. Sounds like they're just saying it's as hard as ceramic. I don't know the rockwell ratings of type iii hard ano and whatever ceramic process, but maybe there's some crossover. Either way, probably best to compare it in terms of hardness and not intermix the material types.

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Springcreek 1/14/2019 12:55pm
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I not an expert on material types but it makes sense that anodizing isn't just for looks and that is does add wear and corrosion protection. most of the time it is not conductive and for some of our medical customers we can not laser through the protective layer and the way to check it is with an ohm meter. For dirt bikes it is just the look that you desire.
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Type ii soft anodize is pretty much just for looks. It scratches really easily. That's mostly on cheaper stuff, rc car parts, trinkets and anything with a vibrant color. Type iii hard is I think only in clear or black and "clear" can end up being a million variations of that grey'ish color like in the pics above, depending on time in the tank. Black is black, but usually has a slight purple'ish hue. I haven't poked hard anodize in a while, but I remember being able to get a reading with a meter if you'd push a little bit. Not like scratching the heck out of it, but just slowly applying some pressure. Just touching it normally though, you're right it'd never read anything but open.
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p3fab 1/14/2019 3:37pm
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p3fab wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/01/14/318000/s1200_647475E7_BEB3_4053_8498_CE855849B835.jpg[/img] Right now we are doing work for family and friends. This is our most recent. The work that was done by us is cut to...

Right now we are doing work for family and friends. This is our most recent. The work that was done by us is cut to the same dept at the Hinson logo
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Can I be your family or friend ?
Who doesn’t want more friends? Just a little more time. We just had a baby that is really Messing with my free time for this lol
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byke wrote:
Oooohhhhh undercutting in his thread! Reminds me of the old Tom Green skit..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdfztAY3qoU
p3fab wrote:
I was really going to stay away from this all together when it go dug back up but that was funny. I guess you can’t really...
I was really going to stay away from this all together when it go dug back up but that was funny. I guess you can’t really undercut when I’m not going yet. I am still working on it. I just want to be legitiment enough when I start. I have formed an llc and am close to being where I want to be. It has definently taken longer then expected.
That being said I do think the engraving vs etching is different. I am not throwing any of his services under the bus I would encourage people to give him a shot. Competition is good business right?
Hopefully soon I can show my work and people can choose for themselves
byke wrote:
That's the spirit! Was just having a laugh. I also prefer machining over etching. The text in the pic above is cool, you could do something...
That's the spirit! Was just having a laugh. I also prefer machining over etching. The text in the pic above is cool, you could do something like that with a little eBay 3020/6040 machine. I had a vf2 with renishaw probing system, but didn't enjoy using it. The little machine are more fun, imo.
Yes I have a 40/60 at home that I am using. I also never really like haas machines the don’t seem very user friendly but maybe I wasn’t used to them. I really like using fadals.
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It's all I know for bigger stuff, but even still I feel the same way, probably not as user friendly as it could be.

Nice thing about those 6040 machines is the spindle rpm, think they're all over 20k rpm. Great for engraving. What software are you using for creating the text and tool path?
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Fusion 360 it’s free download and as a hobbies it’s free to run you just have to fill out some stuff online after the trial
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Anodize is indeed a ceramic, it's Al203 (aluminum oxide) and it's basically just a controlled oxidation of the aluminum. It is very hard and wear resistant. The only difference between "regular" (type II) and hard (type III) anodize is the thickness, the hard being ~10x thicker. Type II works well in most applications, but for high wear areas like clutch covers, type III is the way to go. With the thicker anodize, though, it can only be dyed darker colors and it's typically only offered in "clear" (which is dark grey on 6000 series aluminum and gold-ish on 7000 series) and black. But you can get dark bronze and other dark colors too.

Two common ways to achieve a mark on the anodize, machining through it and laser etching. Machining is nice since if you made the cover to begin with, you obviously have a CNC machine to make the mark. But you're limited in the detail of the mark and it takes a relatively long time. Laser is fast and makes a sharp mark. Both are fine for our application. We use laser on all of our products where we want an aesthetic mark, despite not having a laser of our own. We farm out the laser work as a good fiber laser is ~$25k+. For large quantities of parts, it's not that expensive for the laser marking, but for one-offs it's expensive as the set-up charge is amortized on only one part rather than 50 or so. Keep in mind that a cheap-o laser won't leave nearly as nice of a mark as a nice one. Not all lasers are the same!

Based on the images shown in this thread, the marks look pretty good, and the prices are pretty low really. It's a lot of work and time to turn around a custom part once you account for the shipping, packaging, order processing, handling, artwork, and the actual marking!
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Tokyo_Tiddler wrote:
LanghamMX.. where did you get that Showa rear shock decal with the white outline? I have been searching for that.
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I got a few sets of fork/shock decals from the Showa tech. Wish there was somewhere to send you, but they don't hand them out, I...
I got a few sets of fork/shock decals from the Showa tech. Wish there was somewhere to send you, but they don't hand them out, I was in the right place at the right time.
Tokyo_Tiddler wrote:
Yup.. only the factory teams get the decals with the white outline while the rest of the world gets the black outlined red letters.
Not true, I got SHOWA decals with the white outline from ZeroNine a couple of months ago. They're out there.
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